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post #1 of 13
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Hi every one, first thread here, seems like here is where to begin :D

I'm about to buy a Beyerdynamic DT880 Premium Edition headphone in 600 ohm for mixing and mastering purpose on a home studio usage.therefore I need to consider a headphone amp + dac or a desktop sound card that provide the 600 ohm because surly my 7 years old laptop on baord soundcard won't be able to cover it up.

I did a quick research and find out the Fiio E09k desktop headphone amp is what's the best and available in my country with a affordable price.the question is:

this Fiio E09K alone by itself will be enough for the 600 ohm headphones?or I have to get a Fiio E17k and combine them for the proper result? (consider that I'm low on budgets).

I should mention that, I might upgrade my headphone to T1 from beyerdynamic in 1 or 2 years later after this and that headphone is 600 ohm too,so I really don't want to spend more money about this kind of equipment again. 


also If there are another devices that can help or can be a replace of Fiio E09K in the same range of price Like a desktop soundcard would be great if will be mentioned.

another question: Are the Premium/Edition 600 ohm versions of dt880 monitoring headphones?or it's only the Pro 250 ohm version?


PR66
thanks & all the bests

post #2 of 13
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Originally Posted by PR66 View Post
 

I'm about to buy a Beyerdynamic DT880 Premium Edition headphone in 600 ohm for mixing and mastering purpose on a home studio usage.therefore I need to consider a headphone amp + dac or a desktop sound card that provide the 600 ohm because surly my 7 years old laptop on board sound card won't be able to cover it up.
I did a quick research and find out the FiiO E09K desktop headphone amp is what's the best and available in my country with a affordable price.the question is:
this Fiio E09K alone by itself will be enough for the 600 ohm headphones?or I have to get a Fiio E17K and combine them for the proper result? (consider that I'm low on budgets).
I should mention that, I might upgrade my headphone to T1 from Beyerdynamic in 1 or 2 years later after this and that headphone is 600 ohm too,so I really don't want to spend more money about this kind of equipment again. 
also If there are another devices that can help or can be a replace of FiiO E09K in the same range of price Like a desktop sound card would be great if will be mentioned.
another question: Are the Premium/Edition 600 ohm versions of DT880 monitoring headphones?or it's only the Pro 250 ohm version?

 

The E09K can be used with or without an add-on DAC.

Lots of add-on DACs can be hooked up between the E09K and whatever source you are using.

I think the Asus Xonar DX or D1 sound card (used is fine), which comes with a CS4398 DAC chip, would work great with the E09K

 

The DT880 Pro 250-Ohm and Premium 600-Ohm sound almost alike,

both can be used as monitoring headphones or whatever job you choose to use them for.

post #3 of 13
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Originally Posted by PurpleAngel View Post
 

 

The E09K can be used with or without an add-on DAC.

Lots of add-on DACs can be hooked up between the E09K and whatever source you are using.

I think the Asus Xonar DX or D1 sound card (used is fine), which comes with a CS4398 DAC chip, would work great with the E09K

 

The DT880 Pro 250-Ohm and Premium 600-Ohm sound almost alike,

both can be used as monitoring headphones or whatever job you choose to use them for.

thanks For the reply.

the asus sound card would not helping me because I have laptop with simple realteck HD on board sound card and I might need a external sound card instead of internal ones
and also I can find only brands like M-Audio or ICON or Presonus here where I live.

for E09k I still didn't get my answer that it will be enough itself to provide enough impedance for 600 ohm headphones with a simple source like laptop headphone jacks? or not? 

between pro 250 ohm and premium 600 ohm for my trained ear which detect little details of every sound in a music ,I must consider the difference in sound beside comfort and sound stage . 

post #4 of 13

Enough impedance? The output impedance has NOTHING to do with its output Power^^

 

And yes, the E09k would have more than enough power to drive the 600 Ohm.

 

But as long you dont want do combine the E09k with a portable DAC/amp, to use together AND use it portable, This amp is NOT worth the Money. There are much better choices then, tbh.

Get a Yulong u100, or Audinst HUD MX2, MX1, or even the HUD Mini.

 

Except, the Fiio E09k already has a DAC built in, which is usable without having to buy an E07k/E17~. If not, its not worth the money.

You do not want only an Amp, you also want an DAC, which is just as important in my Opinion (i had the DT 880 600 Ohm here, and in my Opinion, a good DAC is more important than a good Amp. Despite having 600 Ohm, its fairly easy to drive. Its not very loud, thats true, but you will not hear alot improvement in the Soundquality, when using a Stronger Amp.

This was Tested with my Onboard (ALC 888), a Xonar DX (60€ Asus soundcard without a Headphone amp), and a Yulong u100. Between the Yulong and the Xonar DX was maybe.... at best 1% difference in Soundquality.

 

So, i personally dislike having an expensive Amp, that can just amplify the bad/average signal quality from an Laptop soundchip (these are mostly.. not very good). In almost all ases, a DAC/Amp combo will be much better.

 

Btw: Even a Fiio E10 will be able to drive the DT 880 600 Ohm easy.


Edited by Darkseth - 7/20/14 at 4:05pm
post #5 of 13
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Originally Posted by PR66 View Post
 

for E09k I still didn't get my answer that it will be enough itself to provide enough impedance for 600 ohm headphones with a simple source like laptop headphone jacks? or not?

 

The source, laptop or other has nothing to do with the E09K's ability for driving (powering) headphones.

Chances are the Laptop's headphone jack, should be able to provide an analog audio signal, to the analog input on the E09K.

post #6 of 13
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thanks for quick respond purple angel,the info's and suggestions was so useful.
I'll considering the points.

post #7 of 13
I used to own a FiiO E09K headphone amp.
It had absolutely no problem driving my 600 Ohm DT880 headphones.
I used to use the E09K with the FiiO E17,
Hence, the E09K was used as a headphone amp, the E17 was used as a DAC only.
The E17 is fine for the money, but it is not the world's most transparent DAC.
post #8 of 13
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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post

I used to own a FiiO E09K headphone amp.
It had absolutely no problem driving my 600 Ohm DT880 headphones.
I used to use the E09K with the FiiO E17,
Hence, the E09K was used as a headphone amp, the E17 was used as a DAC only.
The E17 is fine for the money, but it is not the world's most transparent DAC.

thx chris j ,good to know.

so far best option for me is to get the Fiio E09K and If I got more money later I'll add a E17k or E07k.
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I was sort of looking for "external desktop sound card"(EDSC) ,which are Amp & DAC included inside and they can drive 600 ohm headphone perfectly with same price as one of the Amp or DAC devices ,not both.
I mean with a 100 $ Amp +100/150 & DAC  I should  spend 200 up too 250 $. but maybe there's a EDSC that have both amp/dac included & with a 100-150 $ I can drive the 600 ohm headphones properly.

unfortunately seems like that kind of EDSC devices can't properly drive the 600 ohm headphones.I find some examples :
M-Audio M-Track 
ICON 4 Nano
ICON MIC U
Alessis IO2 Express
...
they are all almost the same range of price,all DAC/AMP included and their specs said they can handle 16 ohm to 600 ohm,but all of the sellers/users say they can't truly do that!

I hope maybe somebody knows any other similar product so I can save some money here and get the result I want?
 

post #9 of 13
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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post

I used to own a FiiO E09K headphone amp.
It had absolutely no problem driving my 600 Ohm DT880 headphones.
I used to use the E09K with the FiiO E17,
Hence, the E09K was used as a headphone amp, the E17 was used as a DAC only.
The E17 is fine for the money, but it is not the world's most transparent DAC.


Do you know if the new FiiO K5 will drive the Beyerdynamic DT880 600 ohm just fine too? I emailed FiiO support and they said it won't be able to.  The specs for K5 seems to have enough power but it reads recommended headphone impedance up to 300 ohms.  If the E09k (box spec reads up to 600 ohm) can drive the DT880 600 ohms, i'm confused why the K5 won't?  Do I have to get the Schiit Magni 2 amp instead.

post #10 of 13
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Do you know if the new FiiO K5 will drive the Beyerdynamic DT880 600 ohm just fine too? I emailed FiiO support and they said it won't be able to.  The specs for K5 seems to have enough power but it reads recommended headphone impedance up to 300 ohms.  If the E09k (box spec reads up to 600 ohm) can drive the DT880 600 ohms, i'm confused why the K5 won't?  Do I have to get the Schiit Magni 2 amp instead.

Hey there,
I'm not too sure why they said the K5 will not drive a 600 Ohm headphone.
The K5 outputs 1.5 Watts into a 32 Ohm headphone which works out to 6.9 Vrms.
That's enough to drive a pair of 600 Ohm DT880.
It should work! biggrin.gif
I have no experience with the Schiit Magni 2 so I can't say buy The K5 instead of the Magni, or Magni over the K5.
Docking another FiiO product into the K5 is a very nice feature, though.
post #11 of 13
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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post

Hey there,
I'm not too sure why they said the K5 will not drive a 600 Ohm headphone.
The K5 outputs 1.5 Watts into a 32 Ohm headphone which works out to 6.9 Vrms.
That's enough to drive a pair of 600 Ohm DT880.
It should work! biggrin.gif
I have no experience with the Schiit Magni 2 so I can't say buy The K5 instead of the Magni, or Magni over the K5.
Docking another FiiO product into the K5 is a very nice feature, though.

Thanks that's reassuring. Should be picking up the K5 next weekend so will know for sure then. I know sometimes an amp can drive headphones with decent volume but the added voltage and or power can make it sound more fuller if that makes sense all. Hoping the K5 can drive the DT880 600 ohms to its full potential.
post #12 of 13
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Originally Posted by kdub View Post

Thanks that's reassuring. Should be picking up the K5 next weekend so will know for sure then. I know sometimes an amp can drive headphones with decent volume but the added voltage and or power can make it sound more fuller if that makes sense all. Hoping the K5 can drive the DT880 600 ohms to its full potential.

Thanks for the update!
Oddly enough, there seems to be a positive effect to lots of power, or perhaps the more powerful headphone amps are also higher quailty amplifiers?
Let us know how the K5 works out.
post #13 of 13
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Originally Posted by kdub View Post


Thanks that's reassuring. Should be picking up the K5 next weekend so will know for sure then. I know sometimes an amp can drive headphones with decent volume but the added voltage and or power can make it sound more fuller if that makes sense all. Hoping the K5 can drive the DT880 600 ohms to its full potential.

 

Doesn't make sense.

 

You'll found really powerful amplifiers that are thin sounding and low power amplifiers that sounds warm/full.

There's plenty of variables involved, output impedance being one of them.

 

The full potential thing is an idealization. 

Fiio K5 will drive DT880 properly

 

Best chances are Schiit Yggdrassil / Schiit Ragnarok combo drives them a bit better, and even then we can not safely claim that's the 'full potential' because someone will come in and say he/she prefers the Torpedo III, Bryston BHA-1, Antelope Zodiac Platinum DAC or whatever...

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