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I have a pair of ATH-M50's, A galaxy S3, and 320kps or FLAC files to work with. I only need a rig in which to make these three things shine. But so far all I have found is this DAC/Amp only works for Apple stuff, or this DAC works with android but has no built in amplifier and vise versa. My questions would be what amplifier and DAC or Amplifier + DAC would be best to use with an android device since most of the reviews have the source as an iPod classic, which if it comes down to I wouldn't have a problem buying but whats the point of a mobile rig when apple users only have to carry one possible source, when I would have to carry two (My phone and the apple product). So my question after all this basically is, how could I make what I already have sound better without going to an apple product for compatibility. If I had to resort to that I could answer my own question. But there is almost no rigs with android devices. And the rigs with android devices are not common enough for me to tell myself it'd be worth the purchase. So this is my dilemma. 


Edited by Chickamauga - 7/20/14 at 2:44am
post #2 of 19
Your question is not an easy one. Some DACs don't work well with Android and USB audio out. Some Android phones don't work well with DACs, and some versions of Android on some phones don't work well with some DACs (but other versions do). So you'll need to do some google research on the S3 and compatible devices, unless you get luck and an S3 owner happens to read this thread.

Depending on your budget, you might consider a FiiO X3 or iBasso DX50. These are very good DAPs.
post #3 of 19
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

Your question is not an easy one. Some DACs don't work well with Android and USB audio out. Some Android phones don't work well with DACs, and some versions of Android on some phones don't work well with some DACs (but other versions do). So you'll need to do some google research on the S3 and compatible devices, unless you get luck and an S3 owner happens to read this thread.

Depending on your budget, you might consider a FiiO X3 or iBasso DX50. These are very good DAPs.

I've been looking at the Cypher Labs Theorem 720. Which is near a grand. Which if it's reliable enough I'd consider dropping just to be prepared for later on when I inevitably upgrade to higher impedance headphone instead of the 36 ohm M50s. But as a here and now option I was looking at the Fiio E18 Kunlun. I just don't know if it's worth buying just to drive 36 ohms, if it's truly going to really improve the sound quality enough that it's worth the price mark. I'm pretty open to anything though. As long as the price to return ratio is pretty good, and actually works with my s3. But I have no friends that really care about this sort of thing or examples to obtain information from besides the head-fi forum and YouTube reviews. And like I said, despite the manufacturers claiming compatibility. There's not alot of examples here or on YouTube.
Edited by Chickamauga - 7/21/14 at 6:53am
post #4 of 19

With S3, I used to have a Leckerton UHA-6S.MKII. It's 100% supportive with a S3, and they sound awesome! They sound superb as an stand alone amplifier to!

post #5 of 19
just using a $50 budget can i can hear the difference between my Xperia Z2 and my FiiO X3. Same goes when i add a FiiO E18 to my phone. Improving ur source output can help so much. Using my M50x, PSB M4U1 and Nad Viso HP50 the difference is huge.
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With S3, I used to have a Leckerton UHA-6S.MKII. It's 100% supportive with a S3, and they sound awesome! They sound superb as an stand alone amplifier to!

With the Leckerton it serves as a DAC/AMP at the same time right? That's another thing no manufacturer is really clear on.

post #7 of 19
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just using a $50 budget can i can hear the difference between my Xperia Z2 and my FiiO X3. Same goes when i add a FiiO E18 to my phone. Improving ur source output can help so much. Using my M50x, PSB M4U1 and Nad Viso HP50 the difference is huge.

Never having any true audiophile equipment besides a nice pair of headphones, what exactly does it improve when amped and ran through a better DAC besides the one on board the device? I come from a car audio background and when a component is not receiving the proper power requirements it may still work. But as soon as you want more volume you get distortion. This is why I knew my M50's weren't getting enough power because the volume is 75% of the way up and its still somewhat quiet to me. But then when I put in my in ears its a fifty percent and anything above hurts. With a DAC I assume that the Digital to Analog conversion happening at higher bit rate than the one on board a device will also improve the sound quality but what exactly do you hear that's different? 

post #8 of 19
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Originally Posted by Chickamauga View Post

I've been looking at the Cypher Labs Theorem 720. Which is near a grand. Which if it's reliable enough I'd consider dropping just to be prepared for later on when I inevitably upgrade to higher impedance headphone instead of the 36 ohm M50s.

Makes no sense to buy an $800 portable dac/headphone amp for use with $120 headphones. I'd go with the Leckerton that kimvictor suggested first. That would work well with most other headphones you might upgrade to.
post #9 of 19
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With the Leckerton it serves as a DAC/AMP at the same time right? That's another thing no manufacturer is really clear on.

Yup. It does. It can be used as DAC/amp or just as an amp. There really isn't much to be clear on. It's kind of really obvious :p

post #10 of 19
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Yup. It does. It can be used as DAC/amp or just as an amp. There really isn't much to be clear on. It's kind of really obvious :p

When they say DAC/AMP vs DAC+AMP it's a little confusing for a newbie. Regardless, at the price point of 280$ for the leckerton or the 160$ E18. What advantages does the Leckerton have over the E18 at over a hundred dollars more?

post #11 of 19
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When they say DAC/AMP vs DAC+AMP it's a little confusing for a newbie. Regardless, at the price point of 280$ for the leckerton or the 160$ E18. What advantages does the Leckerton have over the E18 at over a hundred dollars more?

Uncompromising sound quality. Ask anyone who owned the leckertons. The best portable amp for under $300. Much less distortion, smoother sound, and darker background. I personally owned the leckertons and tried the E18, and concluded that lecktertons are a class above E18.

post #12 of 19
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Originally Posted by kimvictor View Post

Uncompromising sound quality. Ask anyone who owned the leckertons. The best portable amp for under $300. Much less distortion, smoother sound, and darker background. I personally owned the leckertons and tried the E18, and concluded that lecktertons are a class above E18.

It seems like the main competitor to the Leckerton might be the JDS Labs C5D. Have you tried the JDS Lab amps in comparison to the Leckerton? I've always been curious smily_headphones1.gif
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It seems like the main competitor to the Leckerton might be the JDS Labs C5D. Have you tried the JDS Lab amps in comparison to the Leckerton? I've always been curious smily_headphones1.gif

Hehe. I tried, but the store that had the demo didn't have an OTG cable :( Purely in terms of amp though, I can tell you that leckertons are better.

post #14 of 19
Can anyone compare them ifi ican nano or idsd?
post #15 of 19
the ifi ones are really some of the best in their range.
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