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post #16 of 33
I would be wary too, but your rule is overkill and basically shuns new people.
post #17 of 33
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Originally Posted by skoog5600 View Post
 

Has anyone noticed a trend lately? I have seen a large number of new head fi'ers selling high ticket items such as AK100s, AK120s, RWAK etc. I am not saying they are scams, but it certainly leads me to believe it and I am not ever going to buy such a high priced item from someone with no feedback or a few feedback posts. It has to be someone with a minimum of 10+.

 

Which leads me to my next comment. I really think if they are legitimate sellers that they need to know that in order for them to build up their credibility they should at the very least make small sales and purchases to prove they are legit. I know from experience I started out buying and selling lower priced items moving up in price over time.

 

Anyway, anyone else have any thoughts on this?

 

This reminds me of when I sold video game consoles on eBay and someone from Nigeria (seemingly) sent me a large payment that turned out to be a fake receipt email.

 

There are more people into high-end audio than you might guess who haven't participated in the forums much.

 

Legitimate sellers with no reputation could indeed take your advice and work their way up, so to speak...but those who gravitate towards the lavish end of the spectrum tend to shun "lesser" alternatives, and thus may simply not be interested in small purchases. Good luck convincing them otherwise.


Edited by Music Alchemist - 7/22/14 at 9:03pm
post #18 of 33

From my experience with lurkers or new members most of them are willing to compromise with my amount of feedback. I usually ask for paypal gift unless they have a reference. Alternatively I don't mind using amazon to sell either as the fees are not as high as ebay. If they are not willing to compromise then I look elsewhere. There will always be a buyer or seller and I don't lose anything if that particular deal doesn't go through.

 

It's that 1% of people (typically new registers but not always) that messes it up for the rest of us.

 

I've done one deal where I sent someone a money order by mail before they shipped and I was really nervous about it. It was not a large sum but I would definitely be hesitant if I had to ship something before buying.

post #19 of 33
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Originally Posted by Claritas View Post

I would be wary too, but your rule is overkill and basically shuns new people.

So have you really bought a high ticket item that costs let's say more than $500 from someone that had little to no feedback and few posted comments?

Shuns new people? You got it man. People have to build up a reputation to be considered legit IMO. If not then you're just foolish.
post #20 of 33
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Originally Posted by Music Alchemist View Post

This reminds me of when I sold video game consoles on eBay and someone from Nigeria (seemingly) sent me a large payment that turned out to be a fake receipt email.

There are more people into high-end audio than you might guess who haven't participated in the forums much.

Legitimate sellers with no reputation could indeed take your advice and work their way up, so to speak...but those who gravitate towards the lavish end of the spectrum tend to shun "lesser" alternatives, and thus may simply not be interested in small purchases. Good luck convincing them otherwise.

I agree in theory with your comment about legit sellers who are on the lavishness of the spectrum, however as I think of my past four years plus as an avid head fi'er Iit took me at least two years to gain an appreciation and understanding for the hobby. I did this by starting out not lavish, but rather experimenting, buying and selling lower cost amps, DAPs, and earphones and working my way up. Bypassing the whole process and moving right into the lavish,while it certauy is someone's choice and pocketbook IMO is not really gaining an appreciation or understanding of the hobby. It is typical of the human psyche to get caught up in the hype of some new high priced item written up on here. I see it all the time from newbie comments. I just think putting in your time and in a sense paying your dues is a more sensible approach to the hobby.
post #21 of 33
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Originally Posted by skoog5600 View Post
 

Has anyone noticed a trend lately? I have seen a large number of new head fi'ers selling high ticket items such as AK100s, AK120s, RWAK etc. I am not saying they are scams, but it certainly leads me to believe it and I am not ever going to buy such a high priced item from someone with no feedback or a few feedback posts. It has to be someone with a minimum of 10+.

 

Which leads me to my next comment. I really think if they are legitimate sellers that they need to know that in order for them to build up their credibility they should at the very least make small sales and purchases to prove they are legit. I know from experience I started out buying and selling lower priced items moving up in price over time.

 

Anyway, anyone else have any thoughts on this?

 

Head-Fi is growing. For every regular poster on here, there are 10 who post only a little, and 100 who never post, then a greater number still who only read the forums without registering. I know I've searched and found things I've wanted to buy on forums and sites I've never even read.

 

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Originally Posted by Todd R View Post
 

No sellers, but I'm getting hit on from buyers who sign up then try to buy things I have for sale the same day the signed up. They usually make a ridiculous offer, then vanish forever. Those are the scammers looking for a score. 

 

If you believe someone is a scammer, please report the post or PM you receive about it, especially if they are responding to a WTB. It is members reporting these things specifically that has caught numerous scammers before they could harm anyone. :smile:

post #22 of 33
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Originally Posted by skoog5600 View Post

So have you really bought a high ticket item that costs let's say more than $500 from someone that had little to no feedback and few posted comments?

Shuns new people? You got it man. People have to build up a reputation to be considered legit IMO. If not then you're just foolish.

You should be ashamed of yourself. I'd rather give away $500 than buy anything from you. Unsubscribed.
post #23 of 33
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Originally Posted by skoog5600 View Post

I agree in theory with your comment about legit sellers who are on the lavishness of the spectrum, however as I think of my past four years plus as an avid head fi'er Iit took me at least two years to gain an appreciation and understanding for the hobby. I did this by starting out not lavish, but rather experimenting, buying and selling lower cost amps, DAPs, and earphones and working my way up. Bypassing the whole process and moving right into the lavish,while it certauy is someone's choice and pocketbook IMO is not really gaining an appreciation or understanding of the hobby. It is typical of the human psyche to get caught up in the hype of some new high priced item written up on here. I see it all the time from newbie comments. I just think putting in your time and in a sense paying your dues is a more sensible approach to the hobby.

 

All good points. There are plenty of lower-priced audio products that outperform much more expensive ones, too.

 

The problem is that to even get your message to the people you want to hear it, you would have to contact most of them yourself - too much work!

post #24 of 33
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You should be ashamed of yourself. I'd rather give away $500 than buy anything from you. Unsubscribed.
I do hope that is sarcasm on your part. Nothing wrong with plain and simple common sense.
post #25 of 33
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Originally Posted by Music Alchemist View Post

All good points. There are plenty of lower-priced audio products that outperform much more expensive ones, too.

The problem is that to even get your message to the people you want to hear it, you would have to contact most of them yourself - too much work!

On a few occasions I have contacted new head fi'ers directly and told them that they might find it difficult to sell a high ticket item with no
feedback and very few posts. But you are right it is a lot of work, so I will stick with my sensible common sense rule of double digit feedback and triple digit postings minimum.
post #26 of 33
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Originally Posted by skoog5600 View Post

On a few occasions I have contacted new head fi'ers directly and told them that they might find it difficult to sell a high ticket item with no
feedback and very few posts. But you are right it is a lot of work, so I will stick with my sensible common sense rule of double digit feedback and triple digit postings minimum.

 

hehe, I must say, I would never even dream of selling an expensive item here without building a reputation first.

post #27 of 33
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hehe, I must say, I would never even dream of selling an expensive item here without building a reputation first.

Amen!
post #28 of 33
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Originally Posted by Currawong View Post

Head-Fi is growing. For every regular poster on here, there are 10 who post only a little, and 100 who never post, then a greater number still who only read the forums without registering. I know I've searched and found things I've wanted to buy on forums and sites I've never even read.


If you believe someone is a scammer, please report the post or PM you receive about it, especially if they are responding to a WTB. It is members reporting these things specifically that has caught numerous scammers before they could harm anyone. smile.gif

Currawong - Given the economic situation (read:poor) I think head fi'ers are a prime target to get scammed, especially given how eaily many are prone to hype and get caught up in it, mainly the newer ones. So with that said, if I were trust my instincts about who is a scammer or not, I may be reporting often.

On the other hand, how are we supposed to know who is a scammer or not until after it has happened? Which is one of the reasons why I raised this point of newbies posting high ticket items with no feedback and very few posts in the first place.
post #29 of 33
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Originally Posted by skoog5600 View Post
 
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Originally Posted by Currawong View Post

Head-Fi is growing. For every regular poster on here, there are 10 who post only a little, and 100 who never post, then a greater number still who only read the forums without registering. I know I've searched and found things I've wanted to buy on forums and sites I've never even read.


If you believe someone is a scammer, please report the post or PM you receive about it, especially if they are responding to a WTB. It is members reporting these things specifically that has caught numerous scammers before they could harm anyone. smile.gif

Currawong - Given the economic situation (read:poor) I think head fi'ers are a prime target to get scammed, especially given how eaily many are prone to hype and get caught up in it, mainly the newer ones. So with that said, if I were trust my instincts about who is a scammer or not, I may be reporting often.

On the other hand, how are we supposed to know who is a scammer or not until after it has happened? Which is one of the reasons why I raised this point of newbies posting high ticket items with no feedback and very few posts in the first place.

 

Most are repeat offenders. Someone reported a sale today that turned out to be from a second account of someone whom, as I politely put it, had an "incomplete trade". They had left feedback for themselves and the member spotted that the single feedback was from said member, as I'd put a warning in their custom title.

 

Honestly though: If you want to get rid of scammers, then the only way would be to close the classifieds entirely. Very often though, after someone is scammed, they said that they had a bad feeling about the trade. My thought is: If you're not comfortable with a trade, stop before money or items are sent and just back out. People need to trust their instincts. I can't count the number of times I've felt I needed to slow down when driving only to narrowly miss an accident or go around a bend to find a policemen checking speed or seat belts. Trading online goes the same way.

post #30 of 33
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Originally Posted by Currawong View Post
 

 

Most are repeat offenders. Someone reported a sale today that turned out to be from a second account of someone whom, as I politely put it, had an "incomplete trade". They had left feedback for themselves and the member spotted that the single feedback was from said member, as I'd put a warning in their custom title.

 

Honestly though: If you want to get rid of scammers, then the only way would be to close the classifieds entirely. Very often though, after someone is scammed, they said that they had a bad feeling about the trade. My thought is: If you're not comfortable with a trade, stop before money or items are sent and just back out. People need to trust their instincts. I can't count the number of times I've felt I needed to slow down when driving only to narrowly miss an accident or go around a bend to find a policemen checking speed or seat belts. Trading online goes the same way.


Well put.

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