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post #751 of 1621
Imo, some get a bit carried away by tubes. There was one character I saw on another site, who spent as much money on tubes as the amp. He never settled with one. Overrated activity, I think.

Differences are quite subtle and there is really no need to spend a packet on tubes to get a slightly different flavour, it would be a more dramatic difference if you changed headphones with the same mo ey you'd use for tubes. Having said that, there is bound to be someone who hears a massive difference with whatever tube ..... But they spent money on it, so they won't be exactly objective about improvements.

I think that many differences are overstated on many occasions with many people becoming curious and just rolling tube after tube for no real reason.
Edited by iancraig10 - 5/14/15 at 1:21pm
post #752 of 1621

They do look nice though.

post #753 of 1621
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Originally Posted by iancraig10 View Post

Imo, some get a bit carried away by tubes. There was one character I saw on another site, who spent as much money on tubes as the amp. He never settled with one. Overrated activity, I think.

Differences are quite subtle and there is really no need to spend a packet on tubes to get a slightly different flavour, it would be a more dramatic difference if you changed headphones with the same mo ey you'd use for tubes. Having said that, there is bound to be someone who hears a massive difference with whatever tube ..... But they spent money on it, so they won't be exactly objective about improvements.

I think that many differences are overstated on many occasions with many people becoming curious and just rolling tube after tube for no real reason.


While the differences are subtle the gains are appreciable,  I have bought and sold my share of tubes for the Ember, not sorry I did, I found what I was looking for, while most of the tubes I used were okay, some were much better, now settled on the 6SN7's, and while I do on occasion switch back to the 9 pins, for a while, the 6SN7's are enough better to make the money spent worthwhile,  I feel I am getting the maximum out of this amp and I enjoy them, with the hd650 phones.  Small steps add up to larger gains overall, your milage may vary.

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While the differences are subtle the gains are appreciable,  I have bought and sold my share of tubes for the Ember, not sorry I did, I found what I was looking for, while most of the tubes I used were okay, some were much better, now settled on the 6SN7's, and while I do on occasion switch back to the 9 pins, for a while, the 6SN7's are enough better to make the money spent worthwhile,  I feel I am getting the maximum out of this amp and I enjoy them, with the hd650 phones.  Small steps add up to larger gains overall, your milage may vary.

 

I agree. Particulrly the VT-231's (at least the one I have) are appreciably better than the 9's. IMHO.

post #755 of 1621

I have two Vt 231's now, a Sylvania and a Ken Rad, and to my ears, (most important to me) they are the best I have heard from this amp.

post #756 of 1621

Yeah, my one's a General Electric but it sounds fantastic. Very accurate sounding for a valve but still 'tubey', if you know what I mean.

post #757 of 1621

i had just bought 7193 national union tubes...I had extensively read about 6sn7 versus 7193 family tubes... all opinions without exception go in the same direction : 7193 tubes were better than 6ns7 tubes.... Hence when i had tested the 6sn7 contra bugle boy or amperex in the 12au7 family, the 6sn7 was way better and this was very audible.... i think that the 7193 will be  way better... all people who compared the tubes have said the same ....My wife  dont talk to me  right now.... I had won a bid for 16 national union tubes 7193....:redface: i will made a report here with my listening results... thanks to all of you for sharing this marvellous experience with the Ember ( for the price the better Amp on the market and after a year of discoveries without end i think the same now):happy_face1: 


Edited by richard51 - 5/31/15 at 11:36am
post #758 of 1621

sorry i had think because of this discussion about tubes that i was in the Ember tube rolling thread not in the polaris thread......i apologize to you all :biggrin:

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sorry i had think because of this discussion about tubes that i was in the Ember tube rolling thread not in the polaris thread......i apologize to you all :biggrin:

 

Yeah, me too actually. Back to Polaris. I'm out. :o

post #760 of 1621
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Yeah, me too actually. Back to Polaris. I'm out. :o


But we are the same bunch of friends and Jeremy and  Frans adept...:popcorn:

post #761 of 1621
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But we are the same bunch of friends and Jeremy and  Frans adept...:popcorn:

 

Yeah Richard, that's true. However all this talk of the Ember does kinda make it sound like it's the superior product & that's not going to be the case for everyone & indeed every headphone.

 

Some people prefer the perceived accuracy of SS designs and also don't want to be forever spending money on an eternal quest for that one extra degree of sound quality which results in the sometimes costly hobby of tube-rolling.

 

I'm subscribed to this thread because I was torn between the two amps and have been lucky enough to hear both. I opted to go down the Ember route but I can see why someone might choose the Polaris & if they need input I can maybe help out. That's why I'm still subscribed to this thread.

post #762 of 1621
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Yeah Richard, that's true. However all this talk of the Ember does kinda make it sound like it's the superior product & that's not going to be the case for everyone & indeed every headphone.

 

Some people prefer the perceived accuracy of SS designs and also don't want to be forever spending money on an eternal quest for that one extra degree of sound quality which results in the sometimes costly hobby of tube-rolling.

 

I'm subscribed to this thread because I was torn between the two amps and have been lucky enough to hear both. I opted to go down the Ember route but I can see why someone might choose the Polaris & if they need input I can maybe help out. That's why I'm still subscribed to this thread.


Same for me.... and if i had more money i certainly had bought the polaris also.... to economise tube amd had the flexibility....:ksc75smile:

post #763 of 1621
I have both and personally find the Polaris slightly cleaner for the Senn HD650 but the Ember is nice with th900 because you can get a slightly softer treble edge with it. The tube harmonics warm the Fostex up a little too, I think.

One that I teally enjoyed and also wished I'd kept is the Horizon actually. Good value amp.
post #764 of 1621
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The Polaris puts out 2.4W into 64 ohms. That is a bit more power than the Vali, so plenty of headroom. The Vali puts out 650mW into 32 ohms compared to 1.4 from the Polaris.

The Polaris offers a lot of power and so potential for more headroom.

The Vali is perhaps prettier to look at though. wink.gif

 

A lot of power is right. I wonder what kind of headphones you could use with the Polaris on high gain.

post #765 of 1621
Hifiman or Audeze headphones need lots of kick and the Polaris will drive them.
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