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post #16 of 46
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Originally Posted by Yeswecan View Post

Thanks for the great comments! T1 surely needs to be properly amped, there's of course also this thread http://www.head-fi.org/t/523955/best-amp-for-beyerdynamic-t1 or http://www.head-fi.org/t/517517/beyerdynamics-t1-amplification-thread​

post #17 of 46
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Originally Posted by Ferbose View Post

Powerful amps and orthodynamic headphones have raised the bar of headphone listening, IMHO. As competition intensifies and the market expands, we can certainly expect even better headphones. How about revisiting the diffuse-field listening concept of AKG K1000?

Well I don't have a problem with that! wink.gif
Also AKG make amazing headphones, but I'm a Sennheiser guy and i relish the day that Sennheiser come out with a new flagship model to surpass the 800's. I can't imagine anything better but if its a 2000$ price bracket I'm sold. Sure there are the electrostatic headphones made by STAX, but the SR 009's carry a 5000 price tag. Not only that, you are forced to buy an electrostatic tube amp to run them properly. You can't even use an SS amp with the STAX, so the whole game will cost you 10 to 12 thousand dollars. frown.gif
post #18 of 46

Why wait for Sennheisser to produce a new flagship.  There are numerous other brands that give a much more palpable musical experience.  IMO the HD800 was surpassed years ago.

post #19 of 46
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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post

Why wait for Sennheisser to produce a new flagship.  There are numerous other brands that give a much more palpable musical experience.  IMO the HD800 was surpassed years ago.

Oh that obvious huh?? Well I'd be very interested to hear about which headphones out there far 'surpass' the HD 800. I'm una where that there are 'numerous' cans that can match the 800's dynamics and re-creation of a live soundstage. 😟
post #20 of 46

Perhaps ultimate linearity, transparency and audiophile soundstage isn't what everyone is looking for, if you believe the HD800 delivers these goods better than non Sennheisser headphones, then I am happy for you.

 

Many others absolutely believe the HD800 is not the most transparent and detailed headphone out there.  Many other believe that a frequency balance as described by the latest research is far more neutral than the treble tilted sound of an unmodified HD800.

post #21 of 46
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Originally Posted by nephilim32 View Post
i relish the day that Sennheiser come out with a new flagship model to surpass the 800's. I can't imagine anything better but if its a 2000$ price bracket I'm sold. Sure there are the electrostatic headphones made by STAX, but the SR 009's carry a 5000 price tag. Not only that, you are forced to buy an electrostatic tube amp to run them properly. You can't even use an SS amp with the STAX, so the whole game will cost you 10 to 12 thousand dollars. frown.gif

 

I can understand why, the HD800's openness and clarity is nice (with proper amplification). However, that Cavalli amp costs in the range of 6K anyway, which is more than an SR-009 from pricejapan plus a KGSSHV. I doubt the successor of the HD800 will be easier to drive. Another option is the Abyss with a cheaper amp. From this respect the K812 can give much of the music the flagships do at a much cheaper price point. Another great potential is in the bio-cellulose membranes a la Sony and Fostex, I believe there is a yet unexplored quality jump compared to mylar films or the aluminium ring diaphragm of the HD800.


Edited by zolkis - 7/21/14 at 12:30am
post #22 of 46

The HD800 needs a 6K amp now....

post #23 of 46

DNA Stratus is USD2700 :-)

post #24 of 46
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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post
 

The HD800 needs a 6K amp now....

 

 

Definitely no. :wink: . There're many good & cheap amp for HD800.  Some people like the Vali or the M-stage for example.

post #25 of 46
Usually I don't take seriously this kind of review.

Owning vs auditionning at the store is totally different experience.
1 hour isn't enough to evaluate any headphone.

You really need to spend good 40 hours before starting to find pros or cons and actually owning them.

I saw many dishonest reviews on this website based on a loan or "auditioned" at the store kind of story.
post #26 of 46
That's just imo. No hard feelings guys.
post #27 of 46

IMO the thread is specific enough : "quick impressions" ;) .  and I agree with you most Hi end Headphones  I tried need some head time before we can give any serious feedback.

post #28 of 46
It all depends what you're trying to determine. For example, it certainly doesn't take me 40 hours of listening to decide if something's worth buying or not.

Almost all the headphones listed in the title are complex, so they would require more than one good long listening session to form a cogent opinion.

Simpler models can be understood much more quickly. But obtaining even a decent sense of something quickly depends on how specific your test tracks are and how well you know them.
post #29 of 46

@Claritas: I think you're right.

 

Usually when I review a Headphone ( I try to write reviews for a french Web site ) I trust in two things : My really first impressions ( first seconds/minutes) and  my impressions after weeks/monthes of listening.  I found so often that these impressions are close. For the HD800 I did a copy/paste of my very first impressions I shared with a friend on our IRC Chan. Those impressions didn't change after one year of listenig. When I discover a headphone for the first time, I don't try ton analyze it, I try to pick up what strikes me . Analysis  begins a bit after this first moments.

 

That been said, I've many counter-examples. Currently I own a Beyerdynamic T1 I bought it in order to compare it to my HD800. If I tried this T1 in a store or at a meeting during even one completehour , my conclusion would be "piece of crap with 8Khz peak of the death , sibilant and dry overall sound" . but after a bit more head time , My brain & ears got habituated to the T1 sound and I discovered some good points and my opinion is much more balanced now. ;)

 

I'm convinced our brain is adjusted to our favorite headphone. Then, when we try something new, our brain need to be "washed" of its habits. Maybe it's different when someone use equally many different headphones.

 

:beerchug:

post #30 of 46
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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post
 

Why wait for Sennheisser to produce a new flagship.  There are numerous other brands that give a much more palpable musical experience.  IMO the HD800 was surpassed years ago.

 

 

By what?    

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