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post #76 of 139

Man these are not taken with the same system, equipment nor the same methods.  That's exactly why it's all subjective.  Thanks but no thanks..

post #77 of 139

I'm familiar with both of those measurement setups, I've had my own headphones measured on both of those setups. I've been able to directly correlate my listening impressions to the measurements in both of those setups. Of course it's all a matter of taste in the end but don't tell me that there isn't useful info there.

post #78 of 139
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I'm familiar with both of those measurement setups, I've had my own headphones measured on both of those setups. I've been able to directly correlate my listening impressions to the measurements in both of those setups. Of course it's all a matter of taste in the end but don't tell me that there isn't useful info there.

 

Everyone seems to be able to do this "after" they see the measurements. lol..  Yeah right..  

 

It was asked of TH awhile ago to do the HE-6 measurments over on a much more capable amp.  

 

It really doesn't matter how familiar you are with the setups - the "fact" is they both are different.

 

I'm not sure what your jumping in here trying to prove.  The HE-6 is still the Flagship "Fact".  I'm sure the HE-560 sounds really good - heck can't wait the get my hands on one.  I'm sure you seen in the 560 thread a few comparisons between the HE-6 and the HE-560 from owners of both, and I'm sure you saw what they had to say.  

 

I'm sure the HE-6 successor is going to be based off the 560 with the new design and all.  The driver and how it will be tuned are the only questions. 

post #79 of 139
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Everyone seems to be able to do this "after" they see the measurements. lol..  Yeah right..  

And I've predicted measurement anomalies as well. And I've identified faulty measurements. But please go ahead and lol

 

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It really doesn't matter how familiar you are with the setups - the "fact" is they both are different.

Yes. Speaking of facts, people who know how facts work can actually figure out how to compensate for different systems of measurement.

 

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I'm not sure what your jumping in here trying to prove.

 

That I can jump? My past few posts have been simply replies to your request for measurements, following that the request for measurement analysis, and now that you have nothing else left, indignation. They've certainly been of no use to the OP and for that I apologize. Only useful thing I can add to the thread's topic is to add the HE560 into consideration along with the PM1 and HE6.

post #80 of 139

Well, you know, IMHO the Grado GS1000 series (about $1K) is a lot better than the PS1000 (about $1500) which I think has serious flaws in the bass and highs and is much heavier too. (Some PS1000 fans disagree with this, but please place any Grado discussions in the Grado threads, not here.)

But my point is that each headphone in a line is unique, and a cheaper one may be "better," (whatever that means).

I think even the designers would agree with this.

Many folks here like their Senn 600 or 650 much more than the HD800 also, probably a more common example.

And then there is the Audeze LCD-XC vs. the LCD3.

I'm sure there are more instances that can be cited.


Edited by rgs9200m - 7/12/14 at 4:04pm
post #81 of 139
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Man these are not taken with the same system, equipment nor the same methods.  That's exactly why it's all subjective.  Thanks but no thanks..
You're right, we're wrong. We get it.
post #82 of 139
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And I've predicted measurement anomalies as well. And I've identified faulty measurements. But please go ahead and lol

 

 

This gets a big LOL..

 

 

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Yes. Speaking of facts, people who know how facts work can actually figure out how to compensate for different systems of measurement.

 

This gets a Yeah Right..

 

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Only useful thing I can add to the thread's topic is to add the HE560 into consideration along with the PM1 and HE6.

 

Yes - I couldn't have said it better myself..  Thanks for your input..

 

I also think the HE560 should be considered as well, they're a hell of a lot easier to amp..

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You're right, we're wrong. We get it.

 

We?

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We?
Seem to have lost the topic quite a few pages ago.
post #85 of 139

You are correct..  Lets get back to the OPs question at hand..  

 

Might want to add the HE560s as well.  Seems like a pretty good headphone.  There're lots of very good reviews thus far.


Edited by preproman - 7/12/14 at 4:25pm
post #86 of 139
You caused the thread derail, then insult the person you attacked, and now are trying to take the high ground by returning to the original topic. You seem to be toxic in any thread you've participated in recently. Stressed out lately?
Edited by Maxvla - 7/12/14 at 5:31pm
post #87 of 139
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Based on the last 20 or so posts, I think I'll just stick with my LCD-X and HD800s  ;)

post #88 of 139

To put my two cents in, having heard the PM-1 and owned the HE-6, the PM1 simply fails to cut it against the brawn of the HE-6,

 

Of course, they are two very different designs with two very different philosophies but my HE-6 was powered by a 70w/ch amp and the PM1 was run off a 2w/ch headphone amp.

 

The bass was definitely superior on the HE-6 and the treble was in control too as poor treble is a sign of underpowering the HE-6. Mids would be a dead heat.

post #89 of 139

I like the HE-6s and the HE-560 better than the PM-1s. PM-1s are a bit too laid back to my ears, but not bad (aside from the $). I heard them (2x PM1s and an HE-560) side by side off of the same system. If I recall correctly, the PM1s are more efficient and less amp powa demanding.

 

IMO the HE-560 > HE-6 but did not heard them side by side. Furthermore, I feel the HE-560 has more in common with the HE-6 than the PM-1. The HE-6s might be more bright than the HE-560. Both are great headphones depending on what one is looking for and what is ones frame of reference. 

post #90 of 139

FWIW, I really love both my PM-1 and my 560. They are both extremely satisfying in their own individual takes on the music and when I put one on I just don't want to stop listening.

Many tracks favor one phone or the other, but most sound great on both.

The PM-1 emphasizes smoothness and sweet but extended highs, and it's a unique juxtaposition of silky treble, where the sometimes harsh digital edge of a bad recording is handled with finesse, but the details are not hidden, just not pushed into my ears. Any vocals or brittle highs

are detectable as there, just a bit distant, so they are not prominent and painful. It is a liquid, continuous, silky sound. But somehow I'm convinced I'm hearing all that is there in the performance: all the important stuff. The PM-1 just walks the line nicely.

 

The 560 also does this tightrope walk, but with more exposure of detail and texture, and shows electrostatic-like detail, texture, and speed on good recordings. But even bad recordings are handled decently. A vocal that has some digital grain will show it more than the PM-1,

and I am more aware that this is a lesser recording with some abrasiveness in the mids, buts that's just the price of truth, and sometimes the truth hurts. But the 560 still never loses it composure, and it's not like a bad metal tweeter on a speaker, so still, there is some

reticence, and the sound is not analytical (like some Wilson speakers if you ever heard them).

 

I think both headphone try to make things sound musical and process things a bit, and don't just let it all hang out, but the PM-1 just does it more actively.

But again, both are great and, along with the Stax SR009, represent modern headphone design at its best, and I am happy to have both, and both will get lots of head time.


Edited by rgs9200m - 7/13/14 at 7:50am
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