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Originally Posted by Exesteils View Post

@Typhoon859 ignore hungryhoss, guys just throwing in random comments without any real input on the matter. You're doing great and I look forward to the impressions.
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Originally Posted by suman134 View Post
 

hey , easy man , you are doing good !! let us know once your thread is up .

 

Alright, well, understanding the true implications now of what needs to be done, I'm probably going to need to devote an entire extra day for this and I guess tomorrow will be it.

 

What I've worked out so far is a relatively subtle but in-depth EQ which might be helpful to some, depending on how it translates to other EQ's.  The problem with it is that there aren't particularly any huge kind of curves which lend themselves well to the imagination.  I've essentially done what I do for Mastering except only using EQ and no other form of processing.  I'll have to think of something else or simply exaggerate specific adjustments and remove others for the sake of demonstration.


Edited by Typhoon859 - 8/28/14 at 2:50am
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Well, I have to admit I don't take EQ references and suggestions very seriously. First off, pretty much everyone has different sources and they will have different sound signatures meaning EQ suggestions for someone with a different source aren't that helpful. Second, people have different preferences and ideas of good sound presentation, so what one might think is lacking in a headphone or an iem and is tryng to fix with EQ won't necessary be what someone else thinks is wrong with the sound.

Anyway, everyone is free to  make suggestions and share his opinion, so do share.

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Originally Posted by Hungryhoss View Post

It's all good fellas. I just got the impression we need to try setting basic with the S5s so got confused when talk turned to EQ and polls and research and all that jazz. Sounded a bit weird that's all good - why not just say "hey, if you stick the S5 in your left sock, and eat broccoli, do you find it sounds better?"

Don't worry, like I said it's all good. I'm sure it will all work out with smiles and high fives.

Just don't bother yourself with that question for now to such a degree (though I've somewhat addressed it).  Obviously I'm asking for some faith in the idea that this would be the best or at least most interesting way of handling the question.  You seem to have come to an understanding, but I was basically just trying to say that there's no need to get frustrated over this.

 

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Originally Posted by kova4a View Post
 

Well, I have to admit I don't take EQ references and suggestions very seriously. First off, pretty much everyone has different sources and they will have different sound signatures meaning EQ suggestions for someone with a different source aren't that helpful. Second, people have different preferences and ideas of good sound presentation, so what one might think is lacking in a headphone or an iem and is tryng to fix with EQ won't necessary be what someone else thinks is wrong with the sound.

Anyway, everyone is free to  make suggestions and share his opinion, so do share.

Well, the point is that it'll be relative and supposedly representative of my impressions.  Same can be said of anyone's review as you have said of people's EQ estimations generally.  That is true, but there is such a thing as "Mastering" in which the engineer is technically supposed to be able to objectively hear the truth behind what's going on.

 

Precisely because of what you're talking about, I ultimately did the wrong thing which was to simply try to even out certain peaks, taking more of an analytical approach rather than adjusting certain frequency ranges to my taste.  It's the wrong thing to do for the purpose I'm doing it for anyway...  I just need to think of how to approach this in a balanced way.


Edited by Typhoon859 - 8/28/14 at 2:49am
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So we will need to apply EQ?
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Originally Posted by Hungryhoss View Post

So we will need to apply EQ?

Lol, no.  I don't know why you're so confused about this.

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As for everyone else, to actually post something of value and to give an idea of what I'm talking about, here's the EQ I've worked out to compensate for the peaks I'm hearing in the S5's response:

 

 

Any suggestions in terms of how to treat what should really be this but make it simpler for demonstrational purposes (to increase the significance of the impressions a novice can perhaps get from looking at this) would be appreciated.


Edited by Typhoon859 - 8/28/14 at 3:26am
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You might want to take a look at this post (http://www.head-fi.org/t/725340/brainwavz-s5-iem-headphones-review/240#post_10711723)

 

Tinyman392 actually measured it.  Not wanting to "steal your thunder or anything" - but the frequency response (and people's impressions of it) was under hot debate a month ago.

 

FWIW - it correlates what many of us heard during our testing:

 - boosted bass

 - flatish mids, which sit a little in the background

 - gentle rise in upper mids and lower treble (couple of peaks in the 4-5K region), then a drop off after that

 

I read your review through - good effort.  Surprised by your comment "buds are made of aluminium but don't feel robust".  Many of us found the build quality to be stellar, considering the machining and shape.  I love the way they took the "Shure" shape and even made it better - very, comfortable.  I really wish a lot more manufacturers would use this shape.

 

And if anything - I'd prefer a better cable.  I just think it is overworked, and a little bulky.

 

Interesting to get contrasting views though.

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That looks like EQ to me.
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Originally Posted by Brooko View Post
 

You might want to take a look at this post (http://www.head-fi.org/t/725340/brainwavz-s5-iem-headphones-review/240#post_10711723)

 

Tinyman392 actually measured it.  Not wanting to "steal your thunder or anything" - but the frequency response (and people's impressions of it) was under hot debate a month ago.

 

FWIW - it correlates what many of us heard during our testing:

 - boosted bass

 - flatish mids, which sit a little in the background

 - gentle rise in upper mids and lower treble (couple of peaks in the 4-5K region), then a drop off after that

 

I read your review through - good effort.  Surprised by your comment "buds are made of aluminium but don't feel robust".  Many of us found the build quality to be stellar, considering the machining and shape.  I love the way they took the "Shure" shape and even made it better - very, comfortable.  I really wish a lot more manufacturers would use this shape.

 

And if anything - I'd prefer a better cable.  I just think it is overworked, and a little bulky.

 

Interesting to get contrasting views though.

Oh, not at all.  It's more than welcome.  Actually, I was hoping somebody might make a mention of something relevant to what I've brought up as it was perhaps discussed in the past.  I mention that in the last paragraph of my first post on here actually.  If you go back to it, this is a little bit about something different though.  I don't want to waste people's time however by rehashing all that I've stated.

 

Basically, I've been wondering what has caused the difference in people's impressions (where mine initially differed significantly from yours and certain others) and I ultimately just ignored it, opting to just roll with my prejudice towards those who differed (obviously I was smart enough not to post anything then however).  Unfortunately, I did get my answer regarding this mentioned disparity but in a rather embarrassing way.  I'm looking to make a poll with a choice of what would more closely resembles people's initial impressions (important that it not be what they know it should by this point), giving a choice between what was my initial impression and the one which now follows which I am planning to represent with EQ charts and a venn diagram.  It might be too late for that (especially now having biased people's perspective further with my present EQ and your FR measurement chart shortly after) but nevertheless, I think it would at least convey to newcomers not to make the same mistake that I did.  I kind of don't want this to only be hearsay (since it would just be easily forgotten and ultimately not useful/helpful to anyone), especially since the problem which may have caused this for me, and I'd wager it also did for certain others, is in itself kind of lame.  I can't specifically say what that is until I make the mentioned thread/poll; otherwise it kind of ruins it fully.

 

For the record, even though in this case the graph kind of matches the adjustments I've made (and therefore what I'm perceiving), I don't actually value FR charts very highly.  I don't think it's ever the final nail in the coffin in a debate about the sound of certain speakers/headphones.  It's barely actually a starting point for me.  There's many reasons for that but I'd prefer not to get into this.  I just want to say that even if my EQ was off from what this measurement is supposed to represent/indicate, there could be many reasons for that.  I know we'd likely disagree on this front but I'm almost 100% sure any argument would devolve into something worse.  In this case however, luckily it works out.

 

In regards to their design, I mentioned that I actually like it.  What you're talking about is different from my comment which says they don't really feel particularly robust.  I mean, otherwise, I agree with what you've said about them.  But yes, we certainly do differ when it comes to the cable.  I love it! :D

 

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Originally Posted by Hungryhoss View Post

That looks like EQ to me.

I'm honestly not sure what you want..  Yes, that's the EQ I've come up with which is representative of my impressions of these IEMs...  I'm sorry but you're simply not following what this is all about and the purpose therefore of any of what I mention.  Just hold off on your thoughts until what you're looking to hear is simply stated...


Edited by Typhoon859 - 8/28/14 at 4:40am
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Alright, so I'm getting ready to send these back to shotgunshane and thought I'd post some final impressions. 

 

The biggest gripe I have with them is probably still the bass region. Although there's plenty of quantity I think it still needs some refining. The black tips make it a bit more focused, but not decidedly different. The treble region is still too harsh and while I like the details, it gets hard to listen to after a while. Different tips can tone it down a bit, but they tend to muddy up the low region even more. I'd say these are the two biggest issues. They're still a capable IEM and I think I could recommend them to people who listen to bassier music and don't need great precision in the low register. It just seems like half priced IEMs like the VSD3 and T1e are equally capable and, while perhaps not as detailed, are more fun to listen to and sound a lot more bang for buck. At the $100 price point I think there are options that sound a good deal better.


Edited by ZapX629 - 8/29/14 at 12:53pm
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^ Very good feedback.

If anyone else is interested in auditioning these, they need to PM me before ZapX629 mails them back to me...
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I'll give it a day or so in case anyone wants to audition them, but I'll be postmarking them by Monday, so PM shane if you want a listen. 

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Hello head-fi family. Below is the link to my recently posted  review of the S5. Please let me know what you think. Thanks.

 

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/732938/s5-review-by-ericp#post_10847652

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Alright, so I'm shipping these back today. Thanks again to shotgunshane and the good people at Brainwavz for the opportunity to listen to them. :beerchug:

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Still really enjoying my S5, pulled them out this evening and we rediscovered each other. Perfect amount (and some more) detail / clarity for its price point.
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