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I may have possibly "flip flopped" a little. One night I was commenting on needing to remove 6dB or bass, then after another 10 hours of burn in the next morning I felt the need to only remove 3dB of bass and said that the bass was almost where I wanted it, and then a day or two later came back to say that I still felt there was too much bass for my liking. Again, this doesn't make the S5 a failure, it's just not as neutral as I like my IEM's to sound. I'm also starting to think that I hear differently in the morning than I do at night.

 

In the end though, I haven't posted a formal review yet, my postings have been more of a diary of my day to day impressions.


Edited by jasonb - 7/15/14 at 7:07pm
post #272 of 633
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Wow, this thread went south fast. Not sure why anyone would get so upset that they would actually leave the site altogether but it's certainly their prerogative. I was intrigued by Brooko's assertion about brain burn in. I've always been very conflicted on the whole burn in issue. It would be fun to get a brand new pair now after dozens of hours listening and compare them to the ones I so carefully burned in.

 

If anyone tries it (level matched with an SPL meter) and using same tips - I'd love to know results.

 

All I do know for sure is that any drivers I've tried - both large and small - haven't changed noticeably for me.  Fit changes (pads compress, tips get more maleable etc) - but I've never experienced yet a headphone that burns in, and especially something that turns night into day (which is sometimes asserted).

 

One of the best articles I've read is Tyll's (http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/measurement-and-audibility-headphone-break) - especially the conclusion.  I know this is in regard to full sized headphones - but they should show more evidence than a much smaller dynamic driver right?

 

If burn-in exists, I'm open to having my mind changed - especially if there is some conclusive evidence.  But so far everything I've read, and even from manufacturers (Shure says neither their dynamic drivers or BA drivers will change with burn-in), suggests that it's more a result of change to something other than the drivers (pads, seal etc) or it's in our heads.

 

But if you choose to believe it, and it makes your listening experience better - then more power to you :smile:

post #273 of 633
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Originally Posted by Brooko View Post
 

 

If anyone tries it (level matched with an SPL meter) and using same tips - I'd love to know results.

 

All I do know for sure is that any drivers I've tried - both large and small - haven't changed noticeably for me.  Fit changes (pads compress, tips get more maleable etc) - but I've never experienced yet a headphone that burns in, and especially something that turns night into day (which is sometimes asserted).

 

One of the best articles I've read is Tyll's (http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/measurement-and-audibility-headphone-break) - especially the conclusion.  I know this is in regard to full sized headphones - but they should show more evidence than a much smaller dynamic driver right?

 

If burn-in exists, I'm open to having my mind changed - especially if there is some conclusive evidence.  But so far everything I've read, and even from manufacturers (Shure says neither their dynamic drivers or BA drivers will change with burn-in), suggests that it's more a result of change to something other than the drivers (pads, seal etc) or it's in our heads.

 

But if you choose to believe it, and it makes your listening experience better - then more power to you :smile:

The burn in debate will never end. There are manufacturers like Shure, like you stated that claim that there is no such thing, and then you'll see certain high end speakers companies highly recommend very strict break in guidelines to properly and safely break their speakers in. People will always argue about this, even if Mythbusters disproved it. Just like some people say cables make a huge difference, and then there are people who claim all amps and DAC's sound the exact same. Audio is a very subjective thing with so many variables. I've seen some people call the same speakers or headphones bright or harsh and others call them rolled off and dark. Nobody will ever agree.

post #274 of 633
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The burn in debate will never end. There are manufacturers like Shure, like you stated that claim that there is no such thing, and then you'll see certain high end speakers companies highly recommend very strict break in guidelines to properly and safely break their speakers in. People will always argue about this, even if Mythbusters disproved it. Just like some people say cables make a huge difference, and then there are people who claim all amps and DAC's sound the exact same. Audio is a very subjective thing with so many variables. I've seen some people call the same speakers or headphones bright or harsh and others call them rolled off and dark. Nobody will ever agree.

 

Oh I have no problem with full sized speakers requiring break-in.  They have a spider which will definitely change (settle in) after use (from what I have read they actually develop minute cracks.  But headphones - let's just say I'm skeptical.

 

Anyway this is a touch off topic.

 

I tried EQing using the basis of the EQ Tom used a couple of pages back.  The S5 definitely balanced out a lot - it reacts really well to EQ,

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Nearly ready to stop burning in - at 97.5hrs smily_headphones1.gif
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Nearly ready to stop burning in - at 97.5hrs smily_headphones1.gif

Mine should have roughly 144 hours on them as of about 9pm tonight.

post #277 of 633
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Nearly ready to stop burning in - at 97.5hrs smily_headphones1.gif


NO way. You totally need a full 98.316 hours!

post #278 of 633
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NO way. You totally need a full 98.316 hours!
Haha... Totally, however - as and when my opinions on these IEMs spill forth, I don't want naysayers telling me that I didn't burn them in enough or whatever other skulduggery they might accuse me of...

So, 100hrs seems to me to be a fair amount smily_headphones1.gif

[Edit - I already can tell what these excel at... and in that context, am very happy, and must point out that those that think these have a bright / v-shaped treble definitely cannot have heard TOTL IEMs / headphones]
post #279 of 633
Wow this thread really has a lot of the Sound Science Fiction Forum hate rolling around in it...

Kind of sorry I agreed to receive a review sample, as my review might not be "credible enough" if I just hear a little different... rolleyes.gif
post #280 of 633
Trolldragon...

Each review is as credible as the one before, and the one after it, for me, before I throw my hat into the ring, I feel I need to emphasize that these, compared to more TOTL products, do not have a prominent, or should that be, exaggerated treble...
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What does TOTL stand for?
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What does TOTL stand for?
Top of the line
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What does TOTL stand for?



Top of the line.

PS: I'll be starting my review this week for S5.

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  1. There is no shirt clip included
  2. Do I have a shirt clip - yes.  Do I like wearing them - no.
  3. In my normal use - these are a little microphonic.  Thanks for the suggestions - but I'm just pointing out that they are - especially compared to some other IEMs which I know well.
  4. Would suggest someone else go for a run - with the S5 properly fitted, and cinched - without a shirt clip (as none was provided), and then they can report their findings.

+1 Agree. Cable is a bit too big and fancy, causing a bit of microphonics even when worn over the ears. There might be good wires inside, but the jacket does cause a bit of microphonics.
Edited by earfonia - 7/18/14 at 7:06pm
post #285 of 633

      mine is burnt for more then 140 hrs , im not keeping exact time , all in all i got what i was looking for , bass decay has improved , has enough detail to take on re-400 and if one is after a bass driven clarity oriented phone , this will top the monster turbs and may be the eph-100 ( had just 12 hrs , 12 months ago ) as far as i remember .

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