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post #16 of 22
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Originally Posted by LaDolceVita View Post
 

So after spending the last few days going through the suggestions posted on the thread (and by the way, thanks to everyone!) and reading reviews in the forums, I decided I'll get the Magni amp and the HD 600, later down the road I might get the Modi DAC but at the moment I'm in no rush. For a moment I was considering the Beyerdynamic DT 880 but apparently the general consensus is that the HD 600 is superior in most aspects and it's worth the price. Before I pull the trigger on the HD 600, I want to confirm this is true since there's a + $150 difference between the two, so I want to make sure I'm making the right choice.

 

In a nutshell:

 

HD-600:

Pros: neutral, forward mids, all rounder, transparent, easy to drive

Cons: lacks detail, the infamous "Sennheiser veil", soundstage is not as wide as in other models

 

DT-880

Pros: neutral, pure sounding mids, all rounder, good soundstage, extended bass, very comfortable

Cons: lacks transparency, lacks detail and imaging and can be fatiguing at times

 

Can anyone that has tried both confirm this?

 

I have both.

 

They both have their strengths, and both deserve to be on similar tiers as far as ranking goes.

 

  1. They are both neutral.  The HD600 is slightly more natural sounding - I think it has better timbre and tone. HD600 does have a slight boost in the mid-bass, and the mid range is slightly forward.  The DT880 is more neutral (as in flat - nothing boosted), but does have a brighter overall tonality.
  2. Both are all rounders.
  3. DT880 appears to have slightly faster transients - HD600 has a little more decay - at times making it appear slower.
  4. Both have very good detail.  Anyone saying that HD600 lacks detail is either comparing it to much higher tier cans, or is not amping it properly.  The detail is all present - it just doesn't have a spotlight shone on it as some other cans have.
  5. Both have similar soundstage.  It's not huge - but it is by no means small or intimate.  The best thing is that it is realistic - unlike some cans which are too left/right and center blob.  More importantly, both cans image very well within their price brackets.
  6. Both are extremely comfortable for long term listening - the Beyers may have a slight advantage.
  7. IMO the "Sennheiser veil" is a myth that became popular as flagships slowly became brighter and brighter in frequency response.  There is nothing veiled about my HD600. Perhaps people have forgotten what a real concert sounds like now?
  8. The DT880 has a little more audible extension at both ends - it gives a little more audible sub-bass, and a little more emphasis on the upper mids and treble.
  9. If you are treble sensitive, you may prefer the HD600 more - as the DT880 can be a little too bright for some. 

 

I love both.  They compliment each other.  Your choice between the two will ultimately depend on your preference for presentation.

 

And BTW - there is nothing wrong with an iPod Touch G4 as a source.  It's very clean, very linear.  If you want a portable rig to be able to drive full sized cans - add a LOD and Fiio E12 amplifier - and you're good to go.  If you wnat smaller form factor - my recommendation would be the Arrow (I loved mine when I had it).  Other option is to just get an X5 (DAP), and it can be used as portable DAP + DAC for your Mac as well if you prefer.

 

You'll get comments saying the iPod Touches and Macs are bad compared to higher value sources.  I'd imagine that in a properly volume matched blind test - a lot of people may find the differences very small between these and more expensive set-ups. 

post #17 of 22
You'll get comments saying the iPod Touches and Macs are bad compared to higher value sources.  I'd imagine that in a properly volume matched blind test - a lot of people may find the differences very small between these and more expensive set-ups. 
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Over the years I am always testing iPods as a source. There is great sound with a LOD using line out. My Touch is lightning so no LOD and two amps in the signal chain. Still sounds better than most of my sources. But I even have the attitude of most as to how could it even be a great source.But in the end it is!
post #18 of 22
The ipods aren't bad, but there are better. People buy stuff like the DX90 and Fiio x5 because it has more fuctions and better sound quality. It just depends how much you're willing to pay. And remember when you reach high end audio gear the differences you get for the money is less.
I bought the DX90 over an ipod because I like the USB DAC wherever I go, I like listening to high quality music from my very low impedance IEMs to the very high impedance headphones. It's like a jack of all trades. It isn't the best, but it's good enough so that I don't have to buy 100 different pieces of equipment for my different uses.
post #19 of 22
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Originally Posted by bobby12 View Post

The ipods aren't bad, but there are better. People buy stuff like the DX90 and Fiio x5 because it has more fuctions and better sound quality. It just depends how much you're willing to pay. And remember when you reach high end audio gear the differences you get for the money is less.
I bought the DX90 over an ipod because I like the USB DAC wherever I go, I like listening to high quality music from my very low impedance IEMs to the very high impedance headphones. It's like a jack of all trades. It isn't the best, but it's good enough so that I don't have to buy 100 different pieces of equipment for my different uses.


But they seem to get better every generation. Ken Rockwell has the 5th generation Touch tested to be very very flat. I agree there is much better out there but they are really, really good and better than most people around here think.
post #20 of 22
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Originally Posted by Redcarmoose View Post


But they seem to get better every generation. Ken Rockwell has the 5th generation Touch tested to be very very flat. I agree there is much better out there but they are really, really good and better than most people around here think.

 

There's nothing out there better in terms of UI, and that's a big part of a DAP to me. I don't see the point in equipping a device with a top quality DAC and amp and then giving it an unresponsive, clunky-looking interface that would make Windows 3.1 shudder. I'd consider making a change myself but I've yet to see a DAP outside of iPods with a half-way decent UI.

post #21 of 22

I love the X5 - and it's getting slowly better with each firmware release.

post #22 of 22
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Brooko View Post

I have both.

They both have their strengths, and both deserve to be on similar tiers as far as ranking goes.
  1. They are both neutral.  The HD600 is slightly more natural sounding - I think it has better timbre and tone. HD600 does have a slight boost in the mid-bass, and the mid range is slightly forward.  The DT880 is more neutral (as in flat - nothing boosted), but does have a brighter overall tonality.
  2. Both are all rounders.
  3. DT880 appears to have slightly faster transients - HD600 has a little more decay - at times making it appear slower.
  4. Both have very good detail.  Anyone saying that HD600 lacks detail is either comparing it to much higher tier cans, or is not amping it properly.  The detail is all present - it just doesn't have a spotlight shone on it as some other cans have.
  5. Both have similar soundstage.  It's not huge - but it is by no means small or intimate.  The best thing is that it is realistic - unlike some cans which are too left/right and center blob.  More importantly, both cans image very well within their price brackets.
  6. Both are extremely comfortable for long term listening - the Beyers may have a slight advantage.
  7. IMO the "Sennheiser veil" is a myth that became popular as flagships slowly became brighter and brighter in frequency response.  There is nothing veiled about my HD600. Perhaps people have forgotten what a real concert sounds like now?
  8. The DT880 has a little more audible extension at both ends - it gives a little more audible sub-bass, and a little more emphasis on the upper mids and treble.
  9. If you are treble sensitive, you may prefer the HD600 more - as the DT880 can be a little too bright for some. 

I love both.  They compliment each other.  Your choice between the two will ultimately depend on your preference for presentation.

And BTW - there is nothing wrong with an iPod Touch G4 as a source.  It's very clean, very linear.  If you want a portable rig to be able to drive full sized cans - add a LOD and Fiio E12 amplifier - and you're good to go.  If you wnat smaller form factor - my recommendation would be the Arrow (I loved mine when I had it).  Other option is to just get an X5 (DAP), and it can be used as portable DAP + DAC for your Mac as well if you prefer.

You'll get comments saying the iPod Touches and Macs are bad compared to higher value sources.  I'd imagine that in a properly volume matched blind test - a lot of people may find the differences very small between these and more expensive set-ups. 

Thank you very much for the detailed response, it's great to read an opinion of someone that owns both headphones and see a side by side comparison. I came across an offer I can't refuse (hehe) on a pair of DT880, 250 ohm so it's good to hear this. In terms of portability it's not too important because I'll be using them at home. I'm getting an LOD too for my iPod to connect it to the amp. If I order everything today I should have it by the end of the week.

Thanks to everyone who pitched in with your suggestions!
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