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post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 

I'll keep this simple.

 

just got the ASUS DGX sound card, has Dolby headphone, but my primary use will be the 5.1 channel audio with my RX-V990, the sound card has a crossover / LFE

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As for Dolby headphone, I have a very simple question, hopefully easily answered- if I turn on Dolby headphone and run a 3.5mm to dual rca cable to CD on my receiver, then plug the headphone part into the receiver headphone jack will I still have Dolby headphone through the Yamaha or will it be changed back to regular stereo and or silent cinema. I'd like to use it as Dolby headphone through the receiver in CD mode, and use the 5.1 channel audio from the sound card to the receiver for speakers.

 

so..

 

sound card/Dolby headphone --> old receiver(RCA) --> out to headphones, 

^will that work^

 

you might ask why not just plug your headphones into the sound card. 1, the jack is in use for the 5 channel audio to the receiver, and 2, (if possible) it would be more convenient to just plug the headphones into the receiver. also if I'm correct the headphones I want might need more power, from an amp or something like the RX-V990

 

on a side note I Did some searching, and I like these:

Fischer Audio FA-003Ti - search amazon or their site. right now they're $200.27 what do you think about those? I'm not pro into headphones lol, but sometimes I have younger family over and they sleep across the hall so I Can't be blasting/playing music or movies loud or playing shooters/games loud either, headphones would be a good idea or.. a compromise.

 

 

along with those headphones seeing as I Game a lot, I'm thinking I'll get that AntLion modmic thing with the mute button. sounds like a good idea for me. google it if you're interested, it's an attachable 3.5mm microphone for regular headphones.

 

-KGUN

 

write back.

 

also I probly wouldn't be able to get the headphones for some time.

 

Thanks

post #2 of 16
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Originally Posted by KGUN View Post

I'll keep this simple.

just got the ASUS DGX sound card, has Dolby headphone, but my primary use will be the 5.1 channel audio with my RX-V990, the sound card has a crossover / LFE
-
As for Dolby headphone, I have a very simple question, hopefully easily answered- if I turn on Dolby headphone and run a 3.5mm to dual rca cable to CD on my receiver, then plug the headphone part into the receiver headphone jack will I still have Dolby headphone through the Yamaha or will it be changed back to regular stereo and or silent cinema. I'd like to use it as Dolby headphone through the receiver in CD mode, and use the 5.1 channel audio from the sound card to the receiver for speakers.

so..

sound card/Dolby headphone --> old receiver(RCA) --> out to headphones, 
^will that work^

you might ask why not just plug your headphones into the sound card. 1, the jack is in use for the 5 channel audio to the receiver, and 2, (if possible) it would be more convenient to just plug the headphones into the receiver. also if I'm correct the headphones I want might need more power, from an amp or something like the RX-V990

on a side note I Did some searching, and I like these:
Fischer Audio FA-003Ti - search amazon or their site. right now they're $200.27 what do you think about those? I'm not pro into headphones lol, but sometimes I have younger family over and they sleep across the hall so I Can't be blasting/playing music or movies loud or playing shooters/games loud either, headphones would be a good idea or.. a compromise.

 




along with those headphones seeing as I Game a lot, I'm thinking I'll get that AntLion modmic thing with the mute button. sounds like a good idea for me. google it if you're interested, it's an attachable 3.5mm microphone for regular headphones.

-KGUN

write back.

also I probly wouldn't be able to get the headphones for some time.

Thanks

First, if you already have the equipment, you should just try it and see if you like it. Doesn't really matter what it accomplishes if you like the sound smily_headphones1.gif

Second, yes. If the analog out from your sound card is carrying Dolby Headphone, then the audio signal has already been modified and that's what the receiver will get. Whether or not the receiver will change it will depend on what digital signal processing you use on the receiver. But I would guess there is some kind of direct sound (don't know Yamahas well) that would keep it exactly the same. Check the manual.

I don't know much about the Fischer Audio FA-003Ti , but I always wondered how much better they are than the regular FA-003. Especially now that the NVX XPT100 are $80, which are the the same cups and drivers as the FA-003. One manufacterer makes those and the Brainwavz HM5, and then they are rebranded. I would imagine that this discussion thread could probably help you on the Ti: http://www.head-fi.org/t/491632/review-fischer-audio-fa-003-a-neutral-champ

For a more neutral headphone at the $200 price point, be sure to check out the Soundmagic HP100.
Edited by cel4145 - 6/27/14 at 5:51pm
post #3 of 16

I think the Asus Xonar DGX should be able to drive the Fischer Audio FA-003Ti without any issues since it does have headphone amplifier in it.

But you can also use the Dolby headphone with your RX-V990, there should be no problem with it.

post #4 of 16
Thread Starter 

Thank you both very much. I will be sure to check out that other thread you linked shortly, I Think I saw those headphones on amazon too.. be back later.

post #5 of 16
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Originally Posted by KGUN View Post
 

Thank you both very much. I will be sure to check out that other thread you linked shortly, I Think I saw those headphones on amazon too.. be back later.

 

You might consider returning the Xonar DGX and getting a used Xonar DX off eBay, better DAC chip.

Or just going for the Sound blaster Z, comes with separate headphone (amplified) output and line-output (5.1).

Plug headphones directly into the SB-Z.

The old Yamaha receiver might have a really high impedance headphone output, not the best choice for driving 70-Ohm headphones.

post #6 of 16
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by PurpleAngel View Post
 

 

You might consider returning the Xonar DGX and getting a used Xonar DX off eBay, better DAC chip.

Or just going for the Sound blaster Z, comes with separate headphone (amplified) output and line-output (5.1).

Plug headphones directly into the SB-Z.

The old Yamaha receiver might have a really high impedance headphone output, not the best choice for driving 70-Ohm headphones.

HELLO, thank you for your reply. I looked in the pdf manual for my RX-V990 Yamaha receiver, and for the headphone output it says this:::

"Headphone Jack Rated output/impedance
(8 ohm 1khz, 150 mV)....0.55V/390 ohms"

 

I don't really know what all that means, I have a very basic understanding of headphones, I THINK, the lower impedance headphones are more easily driver like 32, Correct? and the 250+ impedance headphones likely need an amp/receiver, am I Getting this right. Maybe someone can explain the above spec quote from the manual. let me know what you think about using the sound card connected to the receiver then out to the headphones, would this be to much?? can you recommend a single 3.5mm stereo connecter split to 3 way stereo audio?

 

 

UPDATE(edit): LOOK WHAT I FOUND ha.  ->

 

http://www.amazon.com/CablesOnline-Female-Stereo-Splitter-AV-Y01F3/dp/B00ENUOMKW/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1403931204&sr=8-7&keywords=3-way+headphone+splitter

 

if your wondering why I Might get that, it's for 3 connections from the left n' right connection(green) 1. straight to 'CD' 2. Straight to the 5 channel (left and right) input for 5.1, and 3. for dolby headphone, that's if it is a bad idea to use the soundcard amplification + the receiver headphone out. I will just use the sound card if it's a danger. what about volume control... is there a simple volume control adapter I Could use that you know of.  I guess I Could just use an inline volume knob.. eh.. get back to me, I appreciate everyones help/advice. - KGUN


Edited by KGUN - 6/27/14 at 10:01pm
post #7 of 16
Thread Starter 

can someone explain this part:

 

"Headphone Jack Rated output/impedance
(8 ohm 1khz, 150 mV)....0.55V/390 ohms"

 

..related to my previous post(s)

post #8 of 16
Thread Starter 

so I Decided to get the HA-SZ2000 headphones. I just opened them up and Have them on now. I also got the ' Sennheiser HH 10 Headphone Holder for Over-the-Head Style Headphones ' 

 

waiting on the headphone holder now.

 

- as for setup, I've decided to use these headphones with my XONAR DGX and my Yamaha RX-V990 together. I have the DGX set to 32-64ohm (headphones) and I Have the receiver turned up about 1/3 volume. This is so awesome.

 

 

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so just wondering about something, On my receiver I have bass / treble knobs. Would it be more effective or better to use the knobs or the DGX EQualizer say I wanted to boost certain frequencies or whatever. Thanks in advance

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wow, as I'm typing this I had to go answer the door, UPS delivered to headphone holder, weird.. I'm looking at the label now it says, "headphone Holder HD 595" where amazons item title says HH 10 maybe amazon is wrong or I Got a different version, it looks nice though and feels sturdy, it's supposed to clamp onto stuff. I have a wood table with a piece of tempered glass that overlaps the wood- So I Can clamp it on to part of that.

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-KGUN 


Edited by KGUN - 7/7/14 at 9:20am
post #9 of 16
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Originally Posted by KGUN View Post
 

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so just wondering about something, On my receiver I have bass / treble knobs. Would it be more effective or better to use the knobs or the DGX EQualizer say I wanted to boost certain frequencies or whatever. Thanks in advance

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Many swear by EQ in the analog domain only... which would be the knobs on the receiver. If you do software EQ (DGX - the card I have, btw)... EQ the frequencies you don't want DOWN, and then turn the overall volume up. EQ'ing up tries to add info that isn't there, so it always sounds awful. Unfortunately, that means not being able to use any of the preset EQ settings. As to which sounds better, ask your ears! :L3000:

 

Also, for gaming, check out the UNi DGX driver. It fixes a lot of issues with the Dolby headphone output that causes strange bloating and echoing and makes gaming much more enjoyable, though it can be slightly awkward to use.

post #10 of 16
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jodgey4 View Post
 

Many swear by EQ in the analog domain only... which would be the knobs on the receiver. If you do software EQ (DGX - the card I have, btw)... EQ the frequencies you don't want DOWN, and then turn the overall volume up. EQ'ing up tries to add info that isn't there, so it always sounds awful. Unfortunately, that means not being able to use any of the preset EQ settings. As to which sounds better, ask your ears! :L3000:

 

Also, for gaming, check out the UNi DGX driver. It fixes a lot of issues with the Dolby headphone output that causes strange bloating and echoing and makes gaming much more enjoyable, though it can be slightly awkward to use.

 

Thank you, is the UNi DGX driver an add on to the main XONAR DGX program? I plan on using these for gaming sometimes also, mainly first person games. shooters etc..

post #11 of 16

IIRC, you uninstall the stock drivers first, then install the UNi set, just be sure to choose DGX during install, it's packaged for many cards. I use my DGX with optical out to my rig for gaming - mainly CS:GO.

post #12 of 16
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jodgey4 View Post
 

IIRC, you uninstall the stock drivers first, then install the UNi set, just be sure to choose DGX during install, it's packaged for many cards. I use my DGX with optical out to my rig for gaming - mainly CS:GO.

 

I played CS:GO on PS3, and CS regular back in the day on PC, I heard recently from some thing I read that sound awareness like.. footsteps is really good in CS or CS games altogether. Have you found this with your headphones? and DGX setup?

post #13 of 16
Thread Starter 

THANK YOU jodgey4 !!!

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post #14 of 16
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Originally Posted by KGUN View Post
 

can someone explain this part:

 

"Headphone Jack Rated output/impedance
(8 ohm 1khz, 150 mV)....0.55V/390 ohms"

 

..related to my previous post(s)

 

Quality headphone amplifiers will have an output impedance of around 10-Ohms or less (or even less then 1-Ohm), the Yamaha's is 390-Ohms.

post #15 of 16
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Originally Posted by KGUN View Post

I played CS:GO on PS3, and CS regular back in the day on PC, I heard recently from some thing I read that sound awareness like.. footsteps is really good in CS or CS games altogether. Have you found this with your headphones? and DGX setup?
I've found more than anything else, that better headphones won't make you a better gamer wink.gif. Once you hit a certain point in your headphone rig's ability, the limiting factor soon becomes the game engine. I notice quite little competitive difference between my nice cans, but many have different levels of engagement. I don't think you could really do much better competitively than Sennheiser 558's, especially for the price. Below that though, there's a WHOLE LOT of improvement to be made. Going from closed to open is a huge deal even. Just one man's view... Once my Q701's arrive I'll have a better answer to that question.

Good gaming tastes btw, old 1.6 can't be beat sometimes!
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