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post #46 of 89
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post

Seriously though, I'm with you dude. Chances are the military has it under raps... waiting to unleash a barrage of flying tanks upon some poor little dictator 

Nah, these days all they have to do is leak photos of the dictator having sex with a sheep to the internet. No invasion required.

Well, except for North Korea - they don't have the internet... tongue.gif
post #47 of 89
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Originally Posted by billybob_jcv View Post


Nah, these days all they have to do is leak photos of the dictator having sex with a sheep to the internet. No invasion required.

Well, except for North Korea - they don't have the internet... tongue.gif

North Korea. pff they totally have internet, they make all these cheesy mmos, then get americans to pay hundreds of dollars a month in DLC... they've already invaded without us ever knowing it xD 

 

and sex with sheep... dude sheep is so last year, this my friend is the year of the goat... sadly <.< 

post #48 of 89
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post

North Korea. pff they totally have internet, they make all these cheesy mmos, then get americans to pay hundreds of dollars a month in DLC... they've already invaded without us ever knowing it xD
That's South Korea tongue.gif.
post #49 of 89
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Originally Posted by billybob_jcv View Post

It's 2014, I want my my flying car! I was promised a flying car and a jet pack!!

 

That just looks awesome...what better way to take us into the future than by the winners of competition...unlike that other loser of competition.

 

On a serious note though....there are awefull, awefull drivers out there...do you really think giving them the keys to a jet will improve their ability to man a more complex machine.  Think 9/11 and it's easy to understand it will never be how it is supposed to be.

 

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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

Seriously though, I'm with you dude. Chances are the military has it under raps... waiting to unleash a barrage of flying tanks upon some poor little dictator 

 

I used to believe all that hocus pocus, back in the day when the X Files captured my imagination....Osama Bin Laden, kinda challenged what I believed with regards to top secret military technology....and the current understanding that no one is more special than I am....which is worrying, because I'm very error prone.

post #50 of 89
Anyone that has worked in any industry managed by the Federal gov't (I have worked in 3 - DOD, FAA & Medicare) knows that the idea of a massive gov't conspiracy is complete hogwash. The Feds can barely keep their own massive bureaucracy running, let alone hide aliens and flying cars.
post #51 of 89
+100 to being spoiled now.

I came to that realization when I had to tell my 3 y/o that we can't watch X show right now because it's not on Netflix/Hulu/Prime.

Remember when if you didn't know something and your friend didn't know something..... we just didn't know schiit??

Ahh... the good ole days when "I don't know." is an acceptable answer. wink.gif
post #52 of 89
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Originally Posted by MrEleventy View Post

+100 to being spoiled now.

I came to that realization when I had to tell my 3 y/o that we can't watch X show right now because it's not on Netflix/Hulu/Prime.

Remember when if you didn't know something and your friend didn't know something..... we just didn't know schiit??

Ahh... the good ole days when "I don't know." is an acceptable answer. wink.gif

It's only when you are a techie geek that "I don't know" is no longer an acceptable answer. Out in the rest of the world, there seems to be PLENTY of people that can still use that excuse. It's only us that can't get away with it!
post #53 of 89
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Originally Posted by MrEleventy View Post

+100 to being spoiled now.

I came to that realization when I had to tell my 3 y/o that we can't watch X show right now because it's not on Netflix/Hulu/Prime.

Remember when if you didn't know something and your friend didn't know something..... we just didn't know schiit??

Ahh... the good ole days when "I don't know." is an acceptable answer. wink.gif

 

If not for the "I don't know" we wouldn't be where we're at technology wise. :rolleyes:

post #54 of 89
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Originally Posted by billybob_jcv View Post

Anyone that has worked in any industry managed by the Federal gov't (I have worked in 3 - DOD, FAA & Medicare) knows that the idea of a massive gov't conspiracy is complete hogwash. The Feds can barely keep their own massive bureaucracy running, let alone hide aliens and flying cars.

xD that is true. Though I doubt the government is hiding anything its the people behind the scenes of our current fumbly government 

post #55 of 89

I think Lockheed skunkworks got good at covering up their technologies...they've almost monopolised U.S defence contracts....due to their legitimate expertise though, I'd imagine.

post #56 of 89
I worked at the Skunk Works at the end of it's heyday (1984-1987). There were many people that believed the fiasco of the Navy's A12 and the massively expensive Air Force B2 would have been much more successful (and less expensive) if Lockheed had been awarded those contracts. The large cost overruns on the F22 only began when the project was moved out of the Skunk Works "black world" and became a huge project in the "white world".

R.I.P. Kelly Johnson!



Kelly's "rules" were the key to the success of the Skunk Works. He stripped away all the BS and let the engineers do engineering, not be bureaucrats and paper shufflers. If you weren't directly contributing to the design, testing or production of the aircraft - then you didn't need to be on the project. He had already retired by the time I got out of college. His successor, Ben Rich was a great guy and a genius engineer, but he didn't quite have the strength of character that Kelly had. Ben Rich was forced to compromise, where I think Kelly would told the brass & bureaucrats to go to he11.

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/aeronautics/skunkworks/14rules.html
post #57 of 89
Well. That explains the ongoing disaster known as the F-35 aka Joint Strike Fockery
post #58 of 89

No way!  How awesome.  That is awesome.  Most fascinating insight.  The A12 would've been one heck of an aircraft, was sad to see the SR71 decommisioned.  It was a brilliant idea, the skunkworks, to bypass beuracracy with a smaller, more agile team.

 

One of the reasons that the F35 is so behind was the computerisation of the man machine interface...less switches...but instead a freakin big I pad instead that would crash.  Is it even wise to have a touch interface when pulling Gs, when a switch with tactile feedback is ideally suited?  Its bad enough with cars...but on fighter jets!

 

Haha, nevertheless, did I mention how awesome this is?  Y'know you're gonna have to track us all down to kill us, now that you've told us...and I am going of the grid and back to the bush....

 

:D

post #59 of 89
The big joint programs have all been a disaster. The only thing worse than having one branch of the service as a customer is having *three* branches of bureaucrats to deal with. And the only thing worse than *that* is also forcing the aerospace contractors to create a team of three companies to create the plane (*cough* F35 *cough*). I worked on a joint program (Army, Navy & Air Force) for a cruise missile that was being developed by Northrop. It was a freaking disaster - the gov't spent tons of money and Northrop had numerous failed tests that were primarily due to stupid little mistakes. On one test, the missile's electrical system shorted-out after launch and the vehicle dropped like a rock into the ocean. After a long investigation, the root cause was determined to be some nuts that did not get the locktite the spec called for. When they subjected the vehicle to the environmental "shake test", the nuts fell off - but no one noticed. When it was launched, the nuts rattled around and shorted out the primary power. Several million dollars sank to the bottom of the ocean because someone forgot to apply 5 cents worth of locktite on some nuts. Northrop's answer to that issue was to change the procedure for the shake tests so that after the testing, they would spin the vehicle around on it's mount and check to see if anything fell out. Really! The project was finally canceled after 8 years and zillions of dollars - and all that remains is a retouched picture of a wind tunnel model...

http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/m-137.html



That was pretty much the end of my DOD aerospace career. After that I worked my way out of military programs, and then eventually completely out of aerospace and became just another IT geek... biggrin.gif

Stories - I've got lots of them...
Edited by billybob_jcv - 7/9/14 at 8:28am
post #60 of 89

So you mean to say, there wasn't a program implemented to check how the prototype fared after testing it...they figured out to do this after millions of dollars exploded.

 

Yeah I researched about the f35 and it was the whole compromise just for the Marines thing that causes all the problems, as well as spreading out the contracts.  Its always the case, trying to save money ends up costing more money.  I mean which professional actually flips out one of them 10 tools in 1, to save money on tools. 

 

I'll just sit here and wait until the machines can make themselves...then they can show us how to be a better more evolved species, a good thing.  Or they might just not bother and just eliminate us, which is probably a good thing also.  I think its good that you moved away from the death industry....I couldn't do it, knowing that if just one innocent civilian copped it, I could never look myself in the mirror anymore.  The whole A bomb Japan thing, complex as it was, everyone involved in that decision was supposed to resign after the mission was approved, to demonstrate the burden of the beast.  That didn't happen.

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