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post #106 of 239
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I just EQ'd it.  Dropped 8k peak.  Reduced harshness to the vocal treble. 

Oh OK, but that doesn't invalidate other approaches. Anyway, glad it worked out.
post #107 of 239
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Oh OK, but that doesn't invalidate other approaches. Anyway, glad it worked out.

Actually, EQ'ing didn't turn out the way I prefer the sound to turn out.  EQ I believe may have wiped out some detail at the 8K along with the harshness.

post #108 of 239
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Oh OK, but that doesn't invalidate other approaches. Anyway, glad it worked out.

Actually, EQ'ing didn't turn out the way I prefer the sound to turn out.  EQ I believe may have wiped out some detail at the 8K along with the harshness.


well the headphone sounds like it does because it has that overly bright signature. taking a hd800 and EQing it to sound like a lcd2 wouldn't keep details and soundstage imaging at the level of the original(mostly because of psychoacoustic, not really that the headphone goes bad). but so wouldn't a warmer amp.

the only way to remove harshness without affecting the signature is by "blurring" the signal in distortions. so one way or another, you're loosing some of the perks of the hd800. getting it for the "ultimate" details and use it to listen to messed up distorted signal, sure looks like a contradiction.

so you have to decide if the tweaked result is better than another headphone closer to your own tastes. if not, just sell it and get the other one ^_^.

post #109 of 239
A "blurry" HD800 is still more detailed than most other choices and more enjoyable.
post #110 of 239
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its not that i disagree with eq i think its fine, if your are going to substantially change the original sound signature why not just go for an headphone thats closer to your ideal signature. then you can use less eq and less distortion from too much eq.


That's the same thing I usually do is if I find a pair of headphones that i stop liking or want a different sound signature. I would rather sell that headphone off and get a headphone that has the idea sound signature that I'm looking for. Because EQ can take too long and if you loose that setting or the safe, You have to do that all over again.

post #111 of 239
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A "blurry" HD800 is still more detailed than most other choices and more enjoyable.

I personally didn't think it was that detailed as I have other phones that are highly resolving.  The brightness just stood out too much.  The part of frequency spectrum that treble textures are boosted, hence it's bright and provides perception of resolution. The HE-6 I have is pretty resolving, and I hear more resolution with it, and with other genre of music. It was odd that HD800 sound well with audiophile recordings, but the treble sound really poor with others. Audiophile recordings sound well in general on any quality headphone.  I have a CIEM that is very resolving and does well with other genre, and didn't see using HD800 all that often if I have the HE-6 and that.  

 

Because of this thread, and people saying how resolving they are intrigued me to try it, and it just didn't turn out to be my cup of tea.  


Edited by SilverEars - 7/6/14 at 10:46am
post #112 of 239
I certainly wouldn't call it a great all rounder. Though it's not inconceivable to me that the right set up could make it more so.
post #113 of 239
Regardless, bit he-6 and hd800 measure extremely well. The decay and waterfall plots, distortion etc. are on a different level compared to many other hi-end phones. I think it is safe to say both are very detailed
post #114 of 239
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Originally Posted by Claritas View Post

A "blurry" HD800 is still more detailed than most other choices and more enjoyable.

 

Not true at all..

 

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Regardless, bit he-6 and hd800 measure extremely well. The decay and waterfall plots, distortion etc. are on a different level compared to many other hi-end phones. I think it is safe to say both are very detailed

 

Very true...

post #115 of 239
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Not true at all..

Maybe there's been a misunderstanding. An HD800 set up like yours is what coa was calling "blurry."
post #116 of 239
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Maybe there's been a misunderstanding. An HD800 set up like yours is what coa was calling "blurry."

:eek:

post #117 of 239

One thing I can say the difference between the HD800 and HE-6 thread is that I sense more dedication in the 800 thread.  Also, I did not run into those that would provide comparisons like I see HE-6 thread does often times(not sure if they have been scared away), so lack of this information wasn't helping.  HE-6 thread didn't seem very steared toward one gear, but there was more of this is what I hear with this, and this sounds different.  I don't know why I don't run into HE-6 or SR009 guys on the HD800 threads?  

 

The advice commonly thrown at me from those that only owns HD800(those were the ones mostly commenting) was there is something wrong with my DAC, Amp, and need to mod it to get rid of the brightness.  One advice that seem to try to hard to sound technical was the recommendation of the Sennheiser amp has 40ohm output impedance so every one of my amp should also when I listen to HD800.  I asked for reasons to back this up, but they could not explain. After that credibility of the thread went to 0. I have common sense to certain degree to weed out what I should not digest.  My buddy at a meet told me that the Sennheiser amp setup was bright. I would agree there.

 

One thing is obvious in the end, HD800 is bright.  :o 


Edited by SilverEars - 7/6/14 at 12:07pm
post #118 of 239
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One thing I can say the difference between the HD800 and HE-6 thread is that I sense more dedication in the 800 thread.  Also, I did not run into those that would provide comparisons like I see HE-6 thread does often times(not sure if they have been scared away), so lack of this information wasn't helping.  HE-6 thread didn't seem very steared toward one gear, but there was more of this is what I hear with this, and this sounds different.  I don't know why I don't run into HE-6 or SR009 guys on the HD800 threads?  

 

The advice commonly thrown at me from those that only owns HD800(those were the ones mostly commenting) was there is something wrong with my DAC, Amp, and need to mod it to get rid of the brightness.  One advice that seem to try to hard to sound technical was the recommendation of the Sennheiser amp has 40ohm output impedance so every one of my amp should also when I listen to HD800.  I asked for reasons to back this up, but they could not explain. After that credibility of the thread went to 0. My buddy at a meet told me that the Sennheiser amp setup was bright. I have common sense to certain degree.

 

One thing is obvious in the end, HD800 is bright.  :o 

 

Don't worry too much about the amps impedance mismatch of 40 and blah. Although as far as DACs go, why not just go into a store and take your amp and audition it with another DAC. Like it's FREE to do and who knows, you might like what you hear?

 

I personally avoided HD800 for years because I thought it was bright and didn't have much bass based on the many comments I read here. So instead I went to Hifiman and Audeze. One day at a meet, I saw a HD800 and said what the hell, why not just try this, for comfort's sake even, as I kept hearing it was the comfiest headphone (and it would be a nice comparison against my comfy D2000). Then I just plugged it into my setup and pressed play and my mind was blown by the sound. Less bright than previous Hifiman setups and better bass than Audeze's.

 

Sometimes, it might be worthwhile to entertain an idea (especially if it costs you nothing), to experience things firsthand or simply get closure.:beerchug:

post #119 of 239
the way he said even the biftrost, makes bifrost sound sooooooo bad like a 10 dollar junk u pick up in walmart .....
post #120 of 239
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the way he said even the biftrost, makes bifrost sound sooooooo bad like a 10 dollar junk u pick up in walmart .....

To clarify, I was actually recommending the Bifrost. I like it! Poor wording on my part. :o A few single malts tonight...

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