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Hello, need clear, neutral, comfortable headphones, max 350-400$

post #1 of 26
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I'm going to be pairing these with an O2 DAC/AMP that I just got. As the title says, nominally/optimally my maximum is 350-400$. I'm willing to go over if there is a very good reason (but only if there is a very good reason). I'd like some bass, but that takes a backseat to making sure the rest of the range doesn't get muffled. I tried out the Sennheiser HD598's at Best Buy but did not find them to be quite what I was looking for. Some of the sounds felt a bit muffled and it did not sound like they would be good with a violin (I listen to a decent amount of David Garrett). I also like rock and techno (not dubstep) all the way through Touhou music, Nightwish, Dream Theater, etc.

 

For comparison, the speakers that I am using right now (and I'm quite happy with them) is a pair of Mordaunt-Short Aviano 2, with a Topping TP20MK2 Amp. You'd be hard pressed to find any frequency response graphs on them, so let's say that they are similar to (probably a bit better than) Aviano 1's, but with a more well defined bass component, which are in turn IIRC similar to Cambridge S30's. So, something that would sound similar to these would be nice.

 

Oh, and it would be a plus if I could drive them half-decently without the amp, but that's about it. I've looked at AKG712Pro, HD600, HE400, etc. Not quite sure what to choose, or if there are other options.

 

TL;DR hear stuff as it is meant to be heard. Oh, and it needs to be very comfortable. I have a pair of HD280Pro's, but I find them to be very uncomfortable to wear, so I've just given up on using them in favor of my speakers. Looking for best value.

 

Thanks

post #2 of 26
1. Great choice on the amp/DAC combo. You won't need to upgrade for quite a while.

2. Some cans to look up are the Beyerdynamic DT880 premiums - big soundstage, rich bass and mids, and non-fatiguing treble. Sennheiser HD600 - huge soundstage but with good separation and clarity. Grado RS2e - kings of rock, smaller soundstage but so fun.

All different but known to play well with rock genres.
post #3 of 26
Thread Starter 

Well I want to note I'm not a fan of huge bass, I just like for it to be... let's say as well defined as the rest of the range. IE if the frequencies are there, I would like for them to be represented just like everything else. Hence optimally neutral headphones. Also, I mentioned rock but I also mentioned David Garrett, and I have some classical-ish stuff on here as well as electronic. Quite a bit of it actually.

 

I will look up your two other suggestions, thanks.

 

Oh and if there are some crazy sales on Ebay or something, lemme know. I love good deals.


Edited by StoleMyOwnCar - 6/21/14 at 7:14am
post #4 of 26
All three are neutral and versatile in sound. The first two have larger soundstages and the grado sounds more intimate
post #5 of 26
I like the 880s, they're pretty balanced/neutral with a slight tilt on highs. Some other hps you might want to look at is the Shures 940 and 1840. Similar in sound to the 880s, but with less bass.
post #6 of 26
While I have not heard the Avianos, I used to own the Cambridge S30s. You'll definitely be able to get better clarity and detail out of some of the headphones you are considering over the S30s.

I'd avoid the HE-400s given that you are aiming toward a more neutral sound. I would recommend looking into the AKG K612 Pros in addition to the DT880s that were already recommended.
post #7 of 26
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Getting a little exasperated looking at these options. I can't quite decide between them. I've been trying to use this source (linked from Hardforums) to decide which one to buy, and carefully looking at his impression of the earphones' sound quality vs price and such.

 

I think I've been using a few terms wrong, so I think this is what I like: neutrality + detail, transparency. Kinda in that order I guess.

 

So right now I think these still look to be contenders:

DT880 (but which impedance for the O2 amp?)

HD600 (I'm not sure about the reputed "Sennheiser Veil"... I'm pretty sure I heard it in the HD598's, but then again those were different earphones)

 

And then, far out of left field, I noticed that the Beyerdynamic T1's are on a large sale, I guess? (700$ on Amazon and Ebay) From what I saw in that review thread I linked above, they appear to have excellent detail and are fairly neutral (?). I am somewhat considering extending my range to these simply because the two above have trade-offs and I can't seem to find a middle ground. So I'm considering it as something I can use for ages without needing to upgrade. Well, if this amp can drive them. Well, it's just a consideration, I'd like you folks to weigh in.

 

Thanks for all the suggestions so far.


Edited by StoleMyOwnCar - 6/21/14 at 4:56pm
post #8 of 26

Beyerdynamic 880's or Audio technica ad700x's come to mind

post #9 of 26
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Beyerdynamic 880's 

 

 

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to the DT880s

 

 

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I like the 880s, 

 

 

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2. Some cans to look up are the Beyerdynamic DT880 premiums - 

 

 

So that's +4 thus far,

 

I'd say go with the Beyerdyanmic DT 880 Pro 250 Ohm, the Pros are imo a little more comfy than the Preiums, in addition they are a touch less expensive as well.  AND witht he money you saved getting the DT 880 Pro, I HIGLY recommend getting a Schiit Vali!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! For my first year in this hobby I had a Tube and a Solid State to see which I liked more, I LOVED how the Vali and DT 880 sounded

 

my point being, the Vali is a good referance point for tubes, it's VERY clean sounding, but has the tradition tube sound, Warm rich mids, a touch of bass and a SUPER smooth top end, All while mainting the DT 880s overall balanced sound and good soundstage/ detail. Plus it's fun comparing your Tube Amp to your Solid state, 

 

but yea I highly recommend getting the Schiit Vali, you get 14 days to see if you like it, if you do KEEP IT, the Vali is $135 shipped, the DT 880 Pro is around $220, right at $355 I HIGHLY recommend getting the Vali with the DT 880, and as you get other headphones, you will enjoy listening to the differances between the Tube and Solid State!!!!!!!!!!!! 

post #10 of 26
Thread Starter 

Well for one this wasn't really intended to be a majority rule type of deal. I'm evaluating based on context, not just votes. Oh, and I'm definitely not changing amps... not before I ever receive the one I'm getting... >_>

 

But anyway, it would probably do me well to try out the DT880's...

 

But, that being said, although they're normally quite out of my price range, I'm getting rather interested in the Beyerdynamic T1's. Their retail price has dropped steeply and I've been reading about them and they seem to have very good detail and be suited for roughly any type of music. According to reviewers anyhow. Can anyone comment? From what I've read the O2 amp should not have a problem driving them either.

post #11 of 26
I can't comment on the T1, however I have the T 90 which I've heard is very similar but much cheaper. Still a step up from the DT 880, but not quite top-of-the-line like the T1
post #12 of 26
Thread Starter 

Meh curiosity has won out, and my wallet has suffered for it. I went on Amazon and noticed they had a Beyerdynamic T1 in Like New condition in the warehouse deals section for 611. Now that was 650 with tax, but I think that might be worth it since warehouse deals are covered by Amazon's return policy (and I have Amazon Prime). Obviously this is 200 bucks over my optimal price range, but... well... I guess I'll just see if it's worth it. There is still a New deal going on on them for 700, but that says "shipping out in 1-2 months" I want my new toy now! (lol) Hopefully with this pair of headphones I won't need to upgrade any time soon.

 

So thanks for all the suggestions, you guys are the ones that got me seriously looking into the Beyerdynamic brand, though sorry I ended up somewhat ignoring the DT880 suggestions and getting something completely contrary to what I was asking for (price range wise).

post #13 of 26
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Well for one this wasn't really intended to be a majority rule type of deal. I'm evaluating based on context, not just votes.

Well the point is, most of us who've listened to a plethera of headphones in your price range, all agree that for the money the DT 880 suites your tastes, the majority recommends it because it's an established and good can :3

 

and I think the T1 out of the O2 would be grand! If you choose to save up for it, let us know how you like it :D 

post #14 of 26
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Erm it's kinda late for that. As I've said, they're already in my Orders list on Amazon. From what I've read about their "Like New" description on the Warehouse page, pretty much it just means the packaging was dented or something. So very likely these are basically new earphones for a rather big discount. I'm kind of surprised though. These T1's retailed at like 1300$+? Yet now they're like at 600$ on Amazon's lightly used page. Ebay also has them for 700$ new. The quantity is quickly dwindling however.

 

 

I do hope these will be what I was looking for... but if they're not Amazon's return policy is great.


Edited by StoleMyOwnCar - 6/22/14 at 1:29pm
post #15 of 26
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Erm it's kinda late for that. As I've said, they're already in my Orders list on Amazon. From what I've read about their "Like New" description on the Warehouse page, pretty much it just means the packaging was dented or something. So very likely these are basically new earphones for a rather big discount. I'm kind of surprised though. These T1's retailed at like 1300$+? Yet now they're like at 600$ on Amazon's lightly used page. Ebay also has them for 700$ new. The quantity is quickly dwindling however.

 

 

I do hope these will be what I was looking for... but if they're not Amazon's return policy is great.

I'm super jealous of you, for $600 I think your going to be floored! 

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