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post #16 of 49
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Well heres teh problem : to start with , they are used , as far as i understand , the guy im buying from bought from his friend so gotta be at least 2-3 years old i guess. 2nd - I have no guarantee that it is undamaged and no way of telling the low performance if there is since this is first headphone. He says chipped paint , is it normal ? Also , although idk the difference , the picture looks like its the old HD650 without the white layer behind the grills (? right word ? ) . Also , people say that after 598 , they are all good and not much difference between 598 and 650 . Is it true ? If that so i plan on getting the 598 because 650s look hideous , and the one im planning to buy doesnt seem safe .Also , 598s look very nice and i hear the yare light and that they do not have any physical defects other than being fragile . So , what do you think ? I s the sound quality worth it considering these ?

The HD650 is a phenomenal headphone, but comparing it to the 598 isn't fair. They are two completely different cans and their sound in comparison to each other couldn't be more different.. The 598 is extremely light weight, but as long as it is not mishandled, it will hold up just as well as any headphone out there, despite how fragile it feels. Just don't throw it around and it'll last a long time. The 650s build quality, by comparison, is like a tank. Very solid, premium plastics are used throughout the entirety of its construction.

The 598 I had (I sold them to a Marine friend of mine) sounded very grainy, but not unpleasantly so, with a fairly large soundstage, tight bass (but no sub bass), slightly sibilant highs (at times), and a very nice midrange. When wearing them to watch movies they gave me a kinda cinematic feel, but without the full "wow factor" or "fun" sound that you would get from more bass heavy headphones. For music, they performed well, in my opinion, across all genres that I listen to (smooth jazz, R&B, Blues, Rap, EDM, classic rock, alternative rock, and some classical), though they certainly weren't the best and where they were lacking was glaringly obvious. All in all, I thoroughly enjoyed them while I had them.

The 650 by comparison is a much darker headphone, with a deeper (not wider) and taller soundstage, better separation in regards to instruments and vocals from the rest of the music, and a definite bass boost that provides some of the best bass (without reaching summit-fi prices) I've ever heard on an open headphone. The highs are very smooth. They were never sibilant or fatiguing, and I absolutely LOVED them and used them for EVERYTHING. This version of the 650 I'm talking about has the white driver that you mentioned. I'm not sure what, or if, there really is any difference between the 2.

If you really plan on getting the 650 over the 598, If I were in your shoes and unsure about the purchase, I would buy a new one or go for the 598 instead. I wouldn't buy a used 650 from anyone outside of the classifieds here. The only other exception would be if I was buying B stock or a demo unit from an authorized Sennheiser Dealer.

post #17 of 49

This might also be a helpful thread if you're looking for deals

http://www.head-fi.org/t/530008/the-eu-deals-thread/585#post_10641572

post #18 of 49
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Can anyone tell me the difference between new and old hd650s ?

post #19 of 49
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Originally Posted by ErdemInce View Post
 

Can anyone tell me the difference between new and old hd650s ?

Found this thread about the 650. Might help you.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/454360/old-and-new-hd650s#post6142720

post #20 of 49
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Thank you very much . Also , my second question was if you have any recommendations other than dx100

post #21 of 49

Well... What kinda music do you listen to and what kinda budget do you have for a DAP after you've made the decision on your cans?

post #22 of 49
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Ive made the decision on the hd 650 s because i dont care if its old or chipped 220 dollars its like free :D i listen to pretty much everything so someone said there are all round systems where its some level of good at everything but doesnt specialize into something. I cant afford higher price than dx100 . I want the good all round ( was that the word ? ) system . and portable of course.

post #23 of 49
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I already have found a good cheap dx100 and if it is a good device and you have no other very good propositions , and if you truly recommend it ill buy it 

post #24 of 49

I'd suggest the AK100 if you have the money, or a FiiO X5. The DX100 has horrible battery life from what I've heard.

post #25 of 49

1. you might want to consider the dx90.  much cheaper than the dx100 but read the discussions about it here.

2. no dap alone will properly drive your hd650's with their 300ohm resistance- you'd need an amp.  don't listen to people who tell you that they get loud output with e.g. hd800's directly from a dap.  yes, it's loud. it's just not good.  the hd598 have, i believe, 50ohms and should be much easier to drive.  

 

i have a dx90 and k812's and hd700's.  the hd700's sound great driven from an integrated amp. from the dx90 they sound dull and blunted, but plenty loud.  loud isn't enough to be good.  the k812's are much lower impedance and sound great from the dap.

post #26 of 49
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2. no dap alone will properly drive your hd650's with their 300ohm resistance- you'd need an amp.  don't listen to people who tell you that they get loud output with e.g. hd800's directly from a dap.  yes, it's loud. it's just not good.  the hd598 have, i believe, 50ohms and should be much easier to drive.  

+1 on this part. Like I stated on the previous page, while the DX100 can drive them adequately, and while adequate is enough for most people, you won't be utilizing their full potential without a more powerful amp. Thanks for chiming in jk47.

post #27 of 49
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So would you suggest getting a dx 90 ? The reason i wanna buy a dx100 is i found a dx100 here from a trusted friend the same price with a new dx 90 , so why buy the90 :) . You say it is unnecesaary but is there any bad sides to is at performance side other than low battery ? . You say i will need an amp , ok i am very confused , ill take your final suggestions, if you were me would you buy the hd 598 new or hd 650 used , dx 100 used or dx90 new , and if i get hd 650 .what would be the estimated price for an amp that would get me good performance from it ?

post #28 of 49
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Now i understood al lyou said but since i lack fundamental information , I asked you this to decide what is worth spending how much on :)

post #29 of 49
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I mean i get that hd 650 is better and its very cheap too here but if the amp is too expensive , i will go with hd 598

post #30 of 49
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Also i will use portable too and hd 650 cant give me portable sound with just the dap you say , and since i guess the amp you talk about isnt portable , ill go with hd 598 if this is the case

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