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post #31 of 47
The presentation of stuff is so powerful. Packaging is just such an amazing tool to change perception.
Most of us have very good understanding of the taste of water right? A nice Greek restaurant I go to had special water. When you ordered it a special employee would come out and open this sealed glass bottle which the restaurant made themselves. After this chilled bottle was opened with great care and patience a small black cloth was wrapped around the bottle. A nice wine glass was placed down and this water was very slowly poured into the glass in just such a way.

First off I don't think a restaurant can just filter water and make it taste better than the bottled spring water we pay so much for. But because of the packaging and deployment of the fluid it seemed to taste fantastic.


Perception is way more faulty than we ever believed.
Edited by Redcarmoose - 6/18/14 at 8:24am
post #32 of 47

I know for a fact that red headphones are faster and have more bass. but only a red cable can do the trick.

 

but I don't know if that works for red car moose?

 

 

 

in an attempt to be rational and get past packaging, do you think we can ask 2 women to participate in a DBT with me? I'm ok to turn off the light and everything. I take objectivity very seriously.

post #33 of 47
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Premium vs lesser priced Vodka.

 

 

 

Mythbusters Episode 50  "Vodka Myths" showed that someone with the expertise can tell the difference 100% of the time.

 

I couldn't, I hate vodka.

post #34 of 47
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I know for a fact that red headphones are faster and have more bass. but only a red cable can do the trick.

 

but I don't know if that works for red car moose?

 

 

 

in an attempt to be rational and get past packaging, do you think we can ask 2 women to participate in a DBT with me? I'm ok to turn off the light and everything. I take objectivity very seriously.


Yep, cables have changed my headphone sound. Don't know how or why but either I'm a victim of placebo or just found the correct cables. Not headphone cables but power cords and inter-connect RCAs.

post #35 of 47
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Yep, cables have changed my headphone sound. Don't know how or why but either I'm a victim of placebo or just found the correct cables. Not headphone cables but power cords and inter-connect RCAs.


There is no how, so the why is placebo.  Works quite well.  As long as you don't care the how or why you are good. 

post #36 of 47
Perception is reality. A quote from a book I'm reading.
post #37 of 47
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Perception is reality. A quote from a book I'm reading.


Well perception is perceived reality.  Once that idea was thrown out as being the best accurate arbiter of the real we advanced much further in understanding the world.   It is a comfortable simple idea, but it is second rate.

post #38 of 47
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Mythbusters Episode 50  "Vodka Myths" showed that someone with the expertise can tell the difference 100% of the time.

 

I couldn't, I hate vodka.


Well the expert correctly identified a single sample of top shelf vodka and each stage of filtration (6 total stages) of a cheap vodka.  Jamie and one of the assistants had rather random results.  The number of samples was too small to be conclusive, but were suggestive.  Similar tests have been done by panels of experts.  One or two get it right and upon retesting a second time don't at least in the few I have read over.  Just what you would expect. 

 

It is possible vodka is perceivable by experts.  It appears only experts manage it, and most people don't.  Also that even experts don't easily.  Since vodka is usually mixed I would imagine the mix would make a much larger difference. 

post #39 of 47
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Well the expert correctly identified a single sample of top shelf vodka and each stage of filtration (6 total stages) of a cheap vodka.  Jamie and one of the assistants had rather random results. 

 

 

 

How is that different that what I said?  

 

The Expert went 7/7.

The Non-Experts did not.

 

 I didn't say that 1,000 out of 1,000 self-proclaimed Vodka experts will get it right every time.  I said that with the proper experience, which this guy apparently has, there is a difference.

 

And did you refer to Kari Byron as "one of the assistants".  :eek:   There are nerds across the globe that would give their left arm just to meet her in person.  :D

post #40 of 47
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Well the expert correctly identified a single sample of top shelf vodka and each stage of filtration (6 total stages) of a cheap vodka.  Jamie and one of the assistants had rather random results.  The number of samples was too small to be conclusive, but were suggestive.  Similar tests have been done by panels of experts.  One or two get it right and upon retesting a second time don't at least in the few I have read over.  Just what you would expect. 

It is possible vodka is perceivable by experts.  It appears only experts manage it, and most people don't.  Also that even experts don't easily.  Since vodka is usually mixed I would imagine the mix would make a much larger difference. 

Humans can and do silly stuff. http://www.damninteresting.com/the-dutch-tulip-bubble-of-1637/




Still some folks also want to believe that a Ford Focus can be as an equal to a Benz. Expensive stuff is that way for a reason. Expensive Vodka gives absolutely small hangovers compared to supermarket vodka. So a taste test has very little value.
Edited by Redcarmoose - 6/19/14 at 9:32am
post #41 of 47
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Humans can and do silly stuff. http://www.damninteresting.com/the-dutch-tulip-bubble-of-1637/




Still some folks also want to believe that a Ford Focus can be as an equal to a Benz. Expensive stuff is that way for a reason. Expensive Vodka gives absolutely small hangovers compared to supermarket vodka. So a taste test has very little value.

I should get me a pair of beats by dre then. After all, they are more expensive than my headphones and I can just buy them at Best Buy or the nearest Kohl's.
post #42 of 47
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And did you refer to Kari Byron as "one of the assistants".  :eek:   There are nerds across the globe that would give their left arm just to meet her in person.  :D

Yes I did say one of the assistants, which she is.  I too would like to meet her.  But that was posted from my phone and I couldn't remember the lovely Kari's name. 

post #43 of 47

http://www.hamsnetwork.org/preventhangover/

 

Blind test of hangover cures.  I don't know the details of this test.

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14662662

 

This, also by Dr. Pittler makes me think it legit.

post #44 of 47
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I know for a fact that red headphones are faster and have more bass. but only a red cable can do the trick.

 

but I don't know if that works for red car moose?

 

 

 

in an attempt to be rational and get past packaging, do you think we can ask 2 women to participate in a DBT with me? I'm ok to turn off the light and everything. I take objectivity very seriously.

I am pleased to report that it does work for a red car... physics teaches us why in this post:

 

http://www.fiat500owners.com/forum/16-off-topic-discussion/9089-red-fastest-color-fiats-physics-teaches-us-why.html#post134638

 

...and I have a red car (A FIAT Abarth, no less, as in the post above!).  And I will be driving it, filled with headphones, fast, from Ann Arbor (south east Michigan) to Chicago, leaving in just 8 hours, filled with headphones,  to participate in the Chi UniFI headphone meet!!


Edited by kayandjohn - 6/20/14 at 6:24pm
post #45 of 47
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I am pleased to report that it does work for a red car... physics teaches us why in this post:

http://www.fiat500owners.com/forum/16-off-topic-discussion/9089-red-fastest-color-fiats-physics-teaches-us-why.html#post134638

...and I have a red car (A FIAT Abarth, no less, as in the post above!).  And I will be driving it, filled with headphones, fast, from Ann Arbor (south east Michigan) to Chicago, leaving in just 8 hours, filled with headphones,  to participate in the Chi UniFI headphone meet!!


It is the fastest color car, and that's why sunsets are have a lot of orange and red color to them.

Black is the slowest car or maybe no car?wink.gif


But the real question is if you turned a light on at your house would the light be the same same speed (driving the speed of light) as your headlights and would your headlight ( same color frequency ) light arrive first to your location with no stops, before the room light?


I don't know but everything in front would look ultra-violet due to the Doppler Effect.
Edited by Redcarmoose - 6/20/14 at 7:50pm
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