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post #16 of 38
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Meh i already have a decent in ear for travel ill listen to this at home then :P still , i ask your opinion : Will my S5 / HTC One M8 / 5S run this headphone at max capacity or will i need an amp ?   
2) will the x5 (its the only one i know) or another audiophile player without external amp give performance as good as phone with external amp ?

post #17 of 38
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Originally Posted by Sefelt103 View Post

flac is free lossless audio codec, alac is Apple lossless audio codec. Compressed files are small files because they miss out information they are 'lossy'. This naturally reduces sound quality. Lossless files are like the CD and nothing is missed out. With mp3 and Apple's aac codecs you are not hearing exactly what the artist recorded, it's quite close but it is a compromise to save storage space. With compression you might lose high frequency information, the bass might not be as deep and you can sometimes hear distortiion or compession artifacts with high grade audio equipment.
Open headphones have grilles over the drivers to let air in. This means you can hear everything outside and people outside will also hear what you are listening to also. For potables most people use IEMs (in ear monitors) these have inherently lower sound quality than full size headphones but they are effective at blocking out noise from outside. Many players are optimised for IEMs and don't sound particularly good through full sized headphones. Some players have a headphone out socket and a line out socket. If you want to use an external amplifier then ideally it should have an extra socket for the LO (line out). Apple players don't have an extra socket their line out is through the 30 pin/lightning socket that you sync/charge the device through. So if a non-Apple device has only one headphone socket then there is little point in utilising an external amplifier.

So players are bad without amps at playing full sized headphones . Ok , than i shall go with the apple / htc / s5 phones . I am certainly going to buy hd598 and i will buy one of these phones . I didnt really get what line -out is and i will check it out :(   You give me all the information needed but i lack the fundamental information and have a not so good english . What would really be good is if you could tell me what you think i should do . You say players are bad at playing for headphones . Even when i put external amp ? you said something like 

 So if a non-Apple device has only one headphone socket then there is little point in utilising an external amplifier.
but i couldnt understand what you meant . The problem is : If i buy a phone , i wnt to buy apple but i will need many gbs of memory and i cant do that with apple . what you said eleminated the idea of a player so its gonna be a phone . If i buy an apple phone , i will need a player which you said is useless , that takes us to samsung and htc but the problem here is idk if ill need an amp and i will have one chance to buy it :P and since these are android someone said e18 which i have no idea what it does extra and if its worth the money IM CONFUSED
post #18 of 38
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I made you give up didnt i :D:confused_face::dt880smile:

post #19 of 38
No I just went to the shops. There aren't really any audiophile 'phones, so if you buy a 'phone it won't be as good as a dedicated player e.g. Fiio X5. Sennheiser's HD598 are low impedence 50ohms so they don't need an amplifier. You could get a Fiio X5 it has enough power to drive HD598s at home and buy a set of Shure SE425/SE535s IEMs for use outside. Alternatively buy a used iPod Classic 5.5G and have it modified (iMod), there is service advertised on ebay based in Turkey. Audio is confusing and there are lots of pitfalls.
post #20 of 38
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 at home 
 

??? Why can it drive 598s only at home ? 

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 Alternatively buy a used iPod Classic 5.5G and have it modified (iMod), there is service advertised on ebay based in Turkey. Audio is confusing and there are lots of pitfalls.
whats imod O.o couldnt find anything named imod on google nor on turkish ebay
post #21 of 38
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Ok i really couldnt get the answer of one of my main questions : i dont know details - if i attach an e11 to a phone will it be the same performance as x5 ? or x5 would still be better ? 

post #22 of 38
An X5 will drive HD598s outside also but open headphones are unsuitable for outside. There is an iMod seller based in Ankara on the UKs ebay, maybe he doesn't sell in Turkey. I've never heard a Fiio E11.
post #23 of 38
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Originally Posted by Sefelt103 View Post

An X5 will drive HD598s outside also but open headphones are unsuitable for outside. There is an iMod seller based in Ankara on the UKs ebay, maybe he doesn't sell in Turkey. I've never heard a Fiio E11.

So this ad you saw http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Diymod-Imod-128-Gb-CF-Card-Mod-Blackgate-Capped-Pure-Copper-Lod-/261314255240?pt=US_Other_MP3_Player_Accessories&hash=item3cd78b1988   - This device will work hd598 at full performance and quality - no amp needed , even if i put an amp , it wont get better ? just checking and making sure - need a yes or no :D If it is - thats just great !

post #24 of 38
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Originally Posted by ErdemInce View Post
 

Ok i really couldnt get the answer of one of my main questions : - if i attach an e11 ( or any other amp ) to a phone will it be the same performance as x5/imodded ipod or would the players still be better ?

well this is my priority question

post #25 of 38

confusing thread.

 

so if i follow, you want to buy an iphone and want to know if you need to get an amp for it?

 

well that would greatly depend on what your pairing it with but basically no.  adding an amp will provide more power which power hungry headphones would benefit from but the hp out of an iphone is rather mediocre.  poo in poo out so id say you dont really need to worry about at the moment.  unless you want an amp to drive something big or to offer a bass boost.

post #26 of 38
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HP ? idk what that is my english is bad can you use simple words and without sayings ? :) i will use hd 598

post #27 of 38
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for example  "poo in poo out" what does it mean

post #28 of 38

poo is a simplistic way of describing what comes out of the back end of an animal.

 

what the term means is if you feed rubbish into an amp you will still get rubbish out.

 

therefore if you are using an iphone to drive your big HD598's then i would say yes an amp will help to get the most out of them.  the HD598's will like power.  however since your source is an iphone id say try a small amp like a FiiO E6 and see how you get on together.

post #29 of 38
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"therefore if you are using an iphone to drive your big HD598's then i would say yes an amp will help to get the most out of them.  the HD598's will like power.  however since your source is an iphone id say try a small amp like a FiiO E6 and see how you get on together."                        So since its an iphone even if i use amp the result will be improved but low quality anyways ?

Ok , so after this comment listening from a phone is unnegotiable ( cool word huh :D hehe )  . So , can you tell me a good player ? What im trying to achieve here is get hd 598 and get the most out of it easiest as possible . people recommended : X5 , modified ipod 5.5 g ,and more things . Can you tell me some good portale output devices and comparison *

post #30 of 38

unnegotiable isnt a word, its non-negotiable.

 

i would suggests since you have a 4G ipod, the line out on them is good so make use of that.  that means add an amp to provide volume control .

 

you will need a line out dock (lod) the FiiO L9 would be a good example.  that then connects to an amp, the FiiO E6 or E7 would be good examples.  either would drive you hd598s well and the lod would provide the amp a good clean signal to work with.

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