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post #5476 of 5486
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Originally Posted by breizh View Post


Hi,

I own both
The results in sound depends on the end to end chain: dac + amp + headphones
I used to own a Schiit Asgard: quite good with the T1 (body, weight in the bass, but average clarity and details)
I own a Teac HA-501: sound is too thin with the T1 (not enough body, bass impact, lack of power) - the Teac is very good with the X2 which is 32 ohms only (easy to drive) and the nature of the X2 is a little bit bassy (but not by much)

So if I had to stop here, I would choose the X2 ! (it's also very good with my ibasso dx50 dap)
X2 + Teac gives a nice full sound with great bass + good mids + good trebles

But, following headphone amps reviews and advices, I finally bought an "Icon audio HP8 MKII" tube amp (Innerfidelity review), and I was rewarded !!

The T1 with this wonderful tube amp reveals its fabulous skills: strong and accurate bass, glorious mids, fine trebles, great soundstage, fabulous clarity and details, and vibrrrrrrant sound !

Now I practically use the X2 with my ibasso dx50 only when I'm on trip or on holidays...

T1 + Icon audio is on another level
and X2 + Icon is good but gives too much bass (due to the slightly bassy nature of the X2)

I must also say that the Icon audio is very very good with my AKG K550 and my older Beyer DT880

To summarize, in my opinion:
X2 + Teac = 7/10
T1 + Icon = 9.5/10

The dac I use is a HRT streamer II+

T1 is a wonderful beast (soundstage, clarity, mids, treble, and bass quality > X2), whatever type of music you listen to

Don't throw your T1 by the window, try it with a good tube amp and let us know ;-)

The T1 is another leage, no wonder.
They might be similar in Soundstage though because both have tilted drivers.
X2 is very friebdly HP but doesnt scale much.
post #5477 of 5486
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Originally Posted by hm22music View Post


Lol nice comparision, but X2 is still impresive compared to HPs if its price range. He-560 is almost 3x the price...

:o Thanks. I was trying to be a little "figurative" :) Yes, X2 is a great $300 headphone. HE-560 is probably the best $900 headphone. Then there are headphones in between these two price points.;) 

post #5478 of 5486
The T1 sounded in the same league as the X2. I find the upper mid-fi to hifi to just be different flavours. Yes some image better than others and some also have better extension but as a complete package, including more musical; the X2 is a bettr headphone I think. All Beyers just so unatural and forced.
post #5479 of 5486

 

I put J$ pads on these. Bass is ridiculous.

post #5480 of 5486
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Originally Posted by Hachiko270296 View Post

The T1 sounded in the same league as the X2. I find the upper mid-fi to hifi to just be different flavours. Yes some image better than others and some also have better extension but as a complete package, including more musical; the X2 is a bettr headphone I think. All Beyers just so unatural and forced.


Did you use a DAC or AMP when you tested them both out?

post #5481 of 5486
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Originally Posted by d4rkch1ld View Post
 


Hey nicolo! Could u plz compare HE 560 to X2? I'm very interested in comparison of bass impact(slam) and mids on these cans. I have X2 and love it, but im considering to buy HE 560.

 

The HE-560's tonality is neutral and balanced, while the X2 is warm with a midbass hump. The HE-560 has better bass extension but doesn't hit as hard as the X2s due to the lack of a midbass hump like the X2s. They're also much more resolving and detailed than the X2s. You get to hear more nuances through the HE560s compared to the X2s.

post #5482 of 5486

Hello everyone,

 

I own a Zune 120 and I use the Zune Pass music subscription with it. To my knowledge, there is no way to get a portable amp to work with this Zune. Because of that, I am limited to low impedance headphones. I am currently using the Grado SR-60i, which I consider to be about the best portable headphone (but definitely still just an "entry" headphone [as opposed to mid-fi or summit]). But I was recently introduced to the Philips Fidelio X2 headphone, and it seems to generally compete with the Sennheiser HD 600, which is recognized as about the best mid-fi 'phone. The Philips Fidelio X2 is low impedance (30 ohm) and supposedly sounds decent un-amped with portable players.

My questions are these.

Is this the only low-impedance (un-amped, portable decent), mid-fi headphone in existence? If not, what are the names of the other headphones?

My Zune 120 files are 196 kbps WMA quality. Is the Fidelio X2 too high quality to make files of this quality sound good?

Is the Philips Fidelio X2 a HUGE upgrade in SQ (highly noticeable to the common hearing man) over my Grado SR-60i? After all, the Fidelio X2 ($300) does cost quite a bit more than my Grado headphones ($80).

Thanks!!

 

post #5483 of 5486
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Originally Posted by sennheiserhd485 View Post
 

Hello everyone,

 

I own a Zune 120 and I use the Zune Pass music subscription with it. To my knowledge, there is no way to get a portable amp to work with this Zune. Because of that, I am limited to low impedance headphones. I am currently using the Grado SR-60i, which I consider to be about the best portable headphone (but definitely still just an "entry" headphone [as opposed to mid-fi or summit]). But I was recently introduced to the Philips Fidelio X2 headphone, and it seems to generally compete with the Sennheiser HD 600, which is recognized as about the best mid-fi 'phone. The Philips Fidelio X2 is low impedance (30 ohm) and supposedly sounds decent un-amped with portable players.

My questions are these.

Is this the only low-impedance (un-amped, portable decent), mid-fi headphone in existence? If not, what are the names of the other headphones?

My Zune 120 files are 196 kbps WMA quality. Is the Fidelio X2 too high quality to make files of this quality sound good?

Is the Philips Fidelio X2 a HUGE upgrade in SQ (highly noticeable to the common hearing man) over my Grado SR-60i? After all, the Fidelio X2 ($300) does cost quite a bit more than my Grado headphones ($80).

Thanks!!

 

 

There are probably a lot more low impedance headphones then there are high impedance headphones.

 


Pretty much any quality headphone will make your 196 kbps files sound good.

 

It's only the upper high end ones that will reveal every detail, good o bad in a recording or rip.

post #5484 of 5486
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Originally Posted by Hachiko270296 View Post

The T1 sounded in the same league as the X2. I find the upper mid-fi to hifi to just be different flavours. Yes some image better than others and some also have better extension but as a complete package, including more musical; the X2 is a bettr headphone I think. All Beyers just so unatural and forced.

 

With all respect I think that yours is a very subjective opinion based on sound preference and not on objective facts. We need to be a little more careful when calling headphones "better" then others. Right now I have a T1 at hand for audition, FWIW. I also still have my X2 (sold). I have been doing some comparisons yesterday and today between T1, X2, HD650 and HE-400i. It is true that T1 has that so called "Beyer sound" but it is very resolving, clean, and "powerful" headphone and has better and more precise imaging. X2 is unfortunately simply not there. So for me they are not in the same league. 

 

Even T90 outperforms X2 easily in pure technical terms. The sound  is more balanced, detailed, has better tonality. Both Beyers are IMHO very musical headphones too in spite of some "bright" colorations in their sound. X2 is just much more colored and grainy throughout. X2 is still a great headphone for $300. It is of course better than some more expensive headphones too but not T1.

 

FWIW of those headphones I have at hand right now 400i is my personal favorite in terms of sound; best complete package, still maybe not as resolving as T1. 

post #5485 of 5486
Imaging doesn't mean a better headphone. The Q701 images better than most headpgones yet, it has a unatural sound. The HD800 is another that souhds forced. The T1 is better at imaging for sure, the X2 is a fuller sound. They image quite close to be honest but die to the thinner mod range and thin top end it is easier to pick out details on the T1.

I would take the X2 any day, more natural, more seductive mids. It comes down to what you want it for.

I also liked the HE400i. It was a little drier than the HE-500 and didn't have the best bass extension but it was a better complete package! Especally in build. I would still prob have to pick the X2 mainly due to it's smoother tuning. It is a little rough up top but a little warmed pumped into it and it's very HD600 lioe.
post #5486 of 5486
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Originally Posted by Hachiko270296 View Post

It comes down to what you want it for.

 

Of course. My opinions are solely based on music listening and nothing else. Mostly acoustic music, classical and jazz. I was quite unimpressed with X2 from the beginning (compared to my HD600) and hoped that the graininess would disappear with break-in and other more compatible amplifier. Unfortunately that wasn't the case. The impression of overblown bass that intrudes the midrange is still here. That doesn't work well with voices, acoustic guitars, violins and cellos for example. The treble on X2 is, IMHO, not clean either; there is an artificial color to it that I just can't ignore. X2 is a balanced and easy on the ear headphone, I agree, but not sufficiently high fidelity as I'd like it to be. Just to put my two cents in :).  

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