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post #16 of 42
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Originally Posted by ScaryFatKidGT View Post
 

Really? I thought they had pretty nice punchy bass compared to some Sennheisers and Shure's that have like no bass at all.

Not sure which Senn's you have heard to make that observation, but it isn't a pair I have tried.

post #17 of 42

Certainly not HD5x8/5x5, HD205, 280, 380, 360, Momentum, HD6x0, HD700, HD800, or HD4x8/4x9.  Definitely not Shure's 440, 940, or 840 or their in-ears.

post #18 of 42

Yeah Shure's in-ears, especially the lower-end of the SE line, are comically bassy. 

post #19 of 42
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Originally Posted by Mad Max View Post
 

 

HeadRoom's rig tends to get more roll-off on open-backs that what they seem to have in listening tests.

 

Plus it depends on who's measuring anyway, for example:

 

ryumatsuba:

SR325 (goldie)

 

 

goldenears.net:

SR60i

 

 

The rest of us Grado fans don't have problems getting bass out of our headphones, then there are modifications or alternate earpads to get even more for those who are interested.  Even the low bass.

 

 

+1

post #20 of 42

My statements weren't based on graphs. I was using the graphs to explain what I heard. Not one Grado headphone produced anything resembling the bass that I found in any other brand. Again, maybe you like how that sounds, but in terms of bass reproduction it's not even an argument. It's not there. The "slap" of the kick drum and the "pluck" of a bass guitar string were readily available, but the low end of it? Gone. 

 

Yes, you can mod them to hell and back to fix this, but that's not really a feather in their cap if YOU have to do things to them to make them do what other headphones do out of the box. 

 

EDIT: Also, the GE graph is the exact same. Look, it humps up around 100Hz and then dips below 0 around 50-60Hz. EXACTLY like the Headroom graphs. The difference is just that the GE graph stops at 20Hz instead of 10Hz and the left side isn't as stretched out. SAME GRAPH.


Edited by SomeGuyDude - 6/16/14 at 3:33pm
post #21 of 42

I think there's a very underrated headphone

that's superbly well made

from a great music company

 

a headphone that's absolutely kick-*ss

for rock and electronic

and currently available for about 1/2 MSRP.

 

Yamaha Pro 500.

http://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-High-Fidelity-Premium-Over-Ear-Headphones/dp/B0092T858E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1402957656&sr=8-1&keywords=yamaha+pro+500

post #22 of 42
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Originally Posted by SomeGuyDude View Post

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EDIT: Also, the GE graph is the exact same. Look, it humps up around 100Hz and then dips below 0 around 50-60Hz. EXACTLY like the Headroom graphs. The difference is just that the GE graph stops at 20Hz instead of 10Hz and the left side isn't as stretched out. SAME GRAPH.

 

Not as exaggerated as the HeadRoom graph.  The japanese one even less so.

 

But again, the rest of us don't have issues getting bass out of our Grados with or without mods, it's just you.  OP will most likely not have issues with them either.

post #23 of 42
I agree with SomeGuyDude, at least from the cheaper Grado's I've heard. I even modded mine, but it only increased the magnitude of the midbass hump. The Beyer (DT880) still extended lower whithout the exaggerated upper bass. I like close to neutral bass that extends low. The Grado (sr60/80) has a bit too much midbass (which it needs to balance the exaggerated and rough sounding treble) and almost no low bass.
post #24 of 42
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Not as exaggerated as the HeadRoom graph.  The japanese one even less so.

 

But again, the rest of us don't have issues getting bass out of our Grados with or without mods, it's just you.  OP will most likely not have issues with them either.

 

No, the thing is that you guys enjoy less bass. That's really the end of this transaction. I don't need to "get bass out of" the Grados because they're not a tangerine I'm trying to squeeze juice out of. They're a speaker I'm putting on my head. If you have to pull out the screwdriver and soldering iron to "get bass" out of them then... the Grado aren't really good for bass. 

 

Like I said, I've listened to most of their models on multiple occasions from several sources through a bunch of amps. Grados are NOT BASSY HEADPHONES. They're not even NEUTRAL headphones. Claiming that there's plenty of bass in a Grado is like claiming that the new Denons are neutral. No. Just... just no. You LIKE it, but you're gonna end up wildly misleading someone if you tell them that. 

post #25 of 42

ahhhhh.....nevermind


Edited by whirlwind - 6/16/14 at 5:28pm
post #26 of 42

Crap on about Grados all you want guys, but they likely won't satisfy the original question, as they don't have much more if any more bass than the Mad Dog.

 

Likewise not too many electronic fans listen on a grado, although a select few do. Depending on the genre the lower/sub bass is just not there at all.

 

Depending on the price point the OP could look into a Final Audio Design Pandora Hope VI. Also the Hifiman HE400, JVC DX700, Denon D5000 are good for both genres IMO. Another highly recommendable can I heard was the ZMF x Vibro, it has more bass than the Mad Dog and Alpha and has some bass ports to play with. 

post #27 of 42
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Like I said, I've listened to most of their models on multiple occasions from several sources through a bunch of amps. Grados are NOT BASSY HEADPHONES. They're not even NEUTRAL headphones. Claiming that there's plenty of bass in a Grado is like claiming that the new Denons are neutral. No. Just... just no. You LIKE it, but you're gonna end up wildly misleading someone if you tell them that. 

 

But nobody claims that ever.  ScaryFatKidGT says that they have nice and punchy bass and he's quite right.  There's nothing misleading there unless we were discussing any headphones with far more bass, which nobody in this thread is anyway.

post #28 of 42
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But nobody claims that ever.  ScaryFatKidGT says that they have nice and punchy bass and he's quite right.  There's nothing misleading there unless we were discussing any headphones with far more bass, which nobody in this thread is anyway.

 

They have good midbass. It's very, very important to specify that, because they're not a headphone with any kind of low extension. They're not tuned that way. You tell someone a Grado has "punchy bass" and then they put 'em on and the low frequencies are missing, they're gonna feel like you lied to them.

post #29 of 42
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Originally Posted by Mad Max View Post
 

 

But nobody claims that ever.  ScaryFatKidGT says that they have nice and punchy bass and he's quite right.  There's nothing misleading there unless we were discussing any headphones with far more bass, which nobody in this thread is anyway.

Well you should be, the original purpose of the thread was to find a headphone suitable for rock and electronic, that IS BASSIER than the Mad Dog. 90% of Grados are not bassier or as extended from my experience.

post #30 of 42

Bass was/is still an important factor in progressive rock, think of Primus, Magma, Present, Yes ( classic period) .Anglagard and recently Chroom Hoof. I have Grado GR10 and Sennheiser IE80. The latter sounds the more exciting because a lot of grunt , The Grado is absolutely great with voices and acoustic instruments, think of the recently released "Complete Unplugged" by REM, In Terms of Detail nothing will beat the Grado, unless you are prepered to invest in the Sennheiser IE800 which is a combination of both,

I don´r know if the e Versions will bring some extra bottom power, otherwise you should look at other brands. I also did and wanted to like the Grado´s but the honestly said, the GR10 is not worth the cash (EU 399 Euro) as to limited, lucky enough I did buy them second Hand, anf if anyone like to buy them, you can pm me, I did Change to Comply tips, and that made them sit perfect and did better the bass a bit, Materials "Contemporary Music 1979-81 sounds ways better with this tips,altrough there is no real grunt like you have with the IE80 / 800. For those happy with mids and treble, you will find hardly better than the GR10, altroúgh I have no idea if any Sound relation is there with the on and over ears Grado´s, but from what I could read so far, I would say there definitely is.

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