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This is internet. Always vet any information you read about. In the end teh information is not about what they write about, but who is the writer.
Certain posters I can trust their opinion ,more than others.
I am gob smacked by the amount of people who parrot around opinions and words regarding things they have zero experience with. It isn't limited to headphones however, the internet is like a giant echo chamber. Go to any car forum, and you'll hear people parrot around opinions of million dollar cars just because of something Jeremy Clarkson said on Top Gear in 2003, and literally everyone will agree with them as if they had driven the car themselves.
It is the same in headphone land. Tyll literally made a one liner post commenting about the SRH 1840 having an irregularity in a frequency response or distortion graph, and suddenly the headphones are forever written off by the head fi masses as having unacceptable sound quality. I know my way around headphones and the SRH 1840 is one of my favorite cans ever, I hear absolutely no audible distortion and if there is an irregularity in some random graph, it has absolutely no bearing on my enjoyment of those headphones whatsoever, so why should I care? Why are those things so authoritative and so parroted by people who have no experience with the actual headphones?
I think people should be careful about forming too strong an opinion about headphones they haven't tried, in fact, I think they should just remain silent. Otherwise, the "consensus" and "authoritative" perception that you find on these forums regarding headphones is nothing more than an echo chamber of sheep who haven't even listened to the gear repeating the opinion of a minority select few.
This quote is excellent! I have a reasonably solid non-headphone 2 channel audio background and I have been reading quite a bit on head-fi for about a year now. Through all of this reading, I have a reasonably good overall 'intellectual' knowledge of many headphones. For this reason, I have no business making a comment. All of my posts have been to request info from others. This thread also reminds me of the scene from 'Good Will Hunting' where the genius exposes the jerk who only memorized facts from other authorities. Great scene.
Concerning the SRH 1840 frequency response irregularity, I recall a comment from an amplifier designer, "if it tests good and sounds good, it's good! If it tests bad and sounds good, perhaps you are testing something with no relevance (or something along this idea)
Edited by pmwoodward - 6/13/14 at 5:52pm
We are all stupid in one way or another. It's important to recognise our own ignorance.
Yes, and then they elect their own to rule over the smart people. It was, and will again be called: The Dark Ages. The blinds have already begun to be pulled shut, at least in our dear country.
Well hello there!
I joined Head-Fi in the summer of 2011, but I largely lurked until the spring of 2012. During that time, I read the forums constantly to learn more about the hobby, and about the community. One of the things I've loved about Head-Fi from the very beginning is Currawong's rule. Paraphrased, if you haven't heard it, don't say anything about it.
If one stops to think about it, that is the ONLY way a hobby based on subjective experience can work... the operative word there being experience... the lack of which disqualifies someone from having a valid opinion about said gear. That rule - more than any other - resonated with me, and has stuck with me throughout my entire journey in this hobby. To this day, I think that if you were to ask the other mods, I tend to get bent out of shape, more than anyone else, about people posting without having auditioned first.
To the extent that I can, I try to live by that rule. Even recently, I was asked to post some impressions of the new Astell&Kern AK100II and AK120II players with regard to how they compared to the Astell&Kern's other players, especially the AK240. Those players were making their U.S. debut at T.H.E. Headphonium two weeks ago, and this was going to be the first chance that people got to hear them over here in the States. Once T.H.E. Headphonium started, it was clear that a quiet environment simply wasn't going to happen. Luckily, after explaining the situation to Astell&Kern, and they kindly loaned us one of each unit for after hours impressions. We supplied our own AK100 Mk2 and AK120 players. And had Audio360's AK240 review unit on hand. @mikemercer and I then spent the better part of three days ABCDE-ing the five players with a variety of music. At the end of this session, we felt comfortable enough to post our initial impressions regarding the players' SQ, which you will find here and here.
I mention this simply to point out that not all recent members are spouting off without adequate product experience. Some of us do care, and do spend the time to make sure our impressions are helpful if not qualified.
Head-Fi is a community, not a service. If we wish to see better impressions and better recommendations, it is up to us to gather and post those impressions, as well as make more thoughtful recommendations. And if we think the forums could do with some more guidance and moderation, it is up to us do the heavy lifting for each other and for ourselves. This is why I asked Jude if I could serve as a moderator. Given the choice between complaining and doing something about it, I chose the latter.
i would rather all types of people join in the forum....
scientists, techqies, philosophers, lost, ranters, bored, echoers etc
from diff parts of the globe, respondg to a topic.
very interesting to me. :P
yes...n about this usb cable that i bot....i know the science says 0s n 1s...but but
I try steering people in the direction of earphones that are considered by many members to be very good even though I might not have heard them myself.
I don't know, that strikes me as one of those elitist things that this hobby is plagued by. Only comment if you have the gear, your word is only valid if you're an experienced sound engineer
That sounds like what you were participating in with your opening sentence.
I'm new breed. I'm not well loved...to say the least, but I talk about what I know and I know a lot more than most. Smash em' with facts. Don't tell them. Show them. And dear God don't parrot......that's the biggest problem.
Edited by Hawaiibadboy - 6/13/14 at 10:05pm
I gotta be honest. I don't even know WHY anyone would talk about gear they've never tried. Of what use is that? What does one get out of that? A fleeting moment of feeling like an expert?
In my cynical opinion anyway.
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