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What Happened to Head-Fi? (Rant) - Page 5post #61 of 2156/13/14 at 3:06pm
Gear mentioned in this thread:post #62 of 2156/13/14 at 3:42pm
This is internet. Always vet any information you read about. In the end teh information is not about what they write about, but who is the writer.
Certain posters I can trust their opinion ,more than others.post #63 of 2156/13/14 at 4:03pmQuote:Originally Posted by superlowfi
I am gob smacked by the amount of people who parrot around opinions and words regarding things they have zero experience with. It isn't limited to headphones however, the internet is like a giant echo chamber. Go to any car forum, and you'll hear people parrot around opinions of million dollar cars just because of something Jeremy Clarkson said on Top Gear in 2003, and literally everyone will agree with them as if they had driven the car themselves.
It is the same in headphone land. Tyll literally made a one liner post commenting about the SRH 1840 having an irregularity in a frequency response or distortion graph, and suddenly the headphones are forever written off by the head fi masses as having unacceptable sound quality. I know my way around headphones and the SRH 1840 is one of my favorite cans ever, I hear absolutely no audible distortion and if there is an irregularity in some random graph, it has absolutely no bearing on my enjoyment of those headphones whatsoever, so why should I care? Why are those things so authoritative and so parroted by people who have no experience with the actual headphones?
I think people should be careful about forming too strong an opinion about headphones they haven't tried, in fact, I think they should just remain silent. Otherwise, the "consensus" and "authoritative" perception that you find on these forums regarding headphones is nothing more than an echo chamber of sheep who haven't even listened to the gear repeating the opinion of a minority select few.
This quote is excellent! I have a reasonably solid non-headphone 2 channel audio background and I have been reading quite a bit on head-fi for about a year now. Through all of this reading, I have a reasonably good overall 'intellectual' knowledge of many headphones. For this reason, I have no business making a comment. All of my posts have been to request info from others. This thread also reminds me of the scene from 'Good Will Hunting' where the genius exposes the jerk who only memorized facts from other authorities. Great scene.
Concerning the SRH 1840 frequency response irregularity, I recall a comment from an amplifier designer, "if it tests good and sounds good, it's good! If it tests bad and sounds good, perhaps you are testing something with no relevance (or something along this idea)
Edited by pmwoodward - 6/13/14 at 5:52pmpost #64 of 2156/13/14 at 4:05pmpost #65 of 2156/13/14 at 4:20pmWell I think what separates educated people from dumb people in any situation (audio included) is the will to learn. Some people, like me, don't know everything there is to know yet, but are trying and don't spread misinformation. Ignorant people will believe what they want to believe and not even attempt to learn, which causes many incorrect assumptions and recommendations.post #66 of 2156/13/14 at 4:29pmQuote:
We are all stupid in one way or another. It's important to recognise our own ignorance.post #67 of 2156/13/14 at 4:33pmpost #68 of 2156/13/14 at 4:42pmpost #69 of 2156/13/14 at 4:56pmpost #70 of 2156/13/14 at 5:26pmQuote:
Yes, and then they elect their own to rule over the smart people. It was, and will again be called: The Dark Ages. The blinds have already begun to be pulled shut, at least in our dear country.post #71 of 2156/13/14 at 7:32pm
Well hello there!
I joined Head-Fi in the summer of 2011, but I largely lurked until the spring of 2012. During that time, I read the forums constantly to learn more about the hobby, and about the community. One of the things I've loved about Head-Fi from the very beginning is Currawong's rule. Paraphrased, if you haven't heard it, don't say anything about it.
If one stops to think about it, that is the ONLY way a hobby based on subjective experience can work... the operative word there being experience... the lack of which disqualifies someone from having a valid opinion about said gear. That rule - more than any other - resonated with me, and has stuck with me throughout my entire journey in this hobby. To this day, I think that if you were to ask the other mods, I tend to get bent out of shape, more than anyone else, about people posting without having auditioned first.
To the extent that I can, I try to live by that rule. Even recently, I was asked to post some impressions of the new Astell&Kern AK100II and AK120II players with regard to how they compared to the Astell&Kern's other players, especially the AK240. Those players were making their U.S. debut at T.H.E. Headphonium two weeks ago, and this was going to be the first chance that people got to hear them over here in the States. Once T.H.E. Headphonium started, it was clear that a quiet environment simply wasn't going to happen. Luckily, after explaining the situation to Astell&Kern, and they kindly loaned us one of each unit for after hours impressions. We supplied our own AK100 Mk2 and AK120 players. And had Audio360's AK240 review unit on hand. @mikemercer and I then spent the better part of three days ABCDE-ing the five players with a variety of music. At the end of this session, we felt comfortable enough to post our initial impressions regarding the players' SQ, which you will find here and here.
I mention this simply to point out that not all recent members are spouting off without adequate product experience. Some of us do care, and do spend the time to make sure our impressions are helpful if not qualified.
Head-Fi is a community, not a service. If we wish to see better impressions and better recommendations, it is up to us to gather and post those impressions, as well as make more thoughtful recommendations. And if we think the forums could do with some more guidance and moderation, it is up to us do the heavy lifting for each other and for ourselves. This is why I asked Jude if I could serve as a moderator. Given the choice between complaining and doing something about it, I chose the latter.post #72 of 2156/13/14 at 7:34pm
i would rather all types of people join in the forum....
scientists, techqies, philosophers, lost, ranters, bored, echoers etc
from diff parts of the globe, respondg to a topic.
very interesting to me. :P
yes...n about this usb cable that i bot....i know the science says 0s n 1s...but butpost #73 of 2156/13/14 at 8:02pmQuote:Originally Posted by hatefulsandwich
I try steering people in the direction of earphones that are considered by many members to be very good even though I might not have heard them myself.(That is an amazing statement. In this thread....regarding the problems with Head-fi)So I should rather sit and lurk than have some interaction because I'm not someone who can afford to purchase tons of gear in order to have something valid to say about it?Yes. Yes you should. This is peoples money. Very big money at times. You should not speak about what you do not know. Why would you care? I've heard nearly every headphone there is to touch and hear, here in Japan. from 50 bucks to $5000 bucks and I only comment on what I own. That seems like common sense. Go check the for sale thread which is filled with dashed dreams and overblown expectations. This is folks money.
I don't know, that strikes me as one of those elitist things that this hobby is plagued by. Only comment if you have the gear, your word is only valid if you're an experienced sound engineerYes. The geniuses. The ones who never once mentioned the most powerful bass cans on the consumer market after my repeated inquiry about head slamming bass. Not refined...yada yada yada...no just physical head thumping bass.Very specific request to an entire community of "bassheads" They said Q40...they still say it. Those cans are not top 10. Not top 20 in bass impact but people keep parroting the same stuff like in your first sentence. There are no elitist. That's your issue being projected on others. They are as elite as you think they are. These are headphones. They are not geniuses. I know as much about bass as anyone on Head-Fi. Period. Science forum guy , longtime member guy, owns every bass can guy....I feel no gap between myself and them unless it's me being above them because I restarted, revived and took videos and showed what are the hardest hitting cans on the market. Those dudes never did that. Now....that can is flying off shelves cuz they (lurkers and members) can SEE the can in action instead of just my words or 10 long timers parroting each other. JVC owes me MONEY!!!!!Save your money. Find your thing. Learn it front to back and push back against anyone that disputes it and isn't using quantifiable empirical data. Shove it gently down their throats and teach them. Destroy the imagined cabal with hard facts, then perhaps it would be wise to start your own Internet forum with stricter guidelines and perhaps closed membership so that you can practice confirmation bias with a group of like-minded individuals.
That sounds like what you were participating in with your opening sentence.
I'm new breed. I'm not well loved...to say the least, but I talk about what I know and I know a lot more than most. Smash em' with facts. Don't tell them. Show them. And dear God don't parrot......that's the biggest problem.
Edited by Hawaiibadboy - 6/13/14 at 10:05pmpost #74 of 2156/13/14 at 8:05pm
I gotta be honest. I don't even know WHY anyone would talk about gear they've never tried. Of what use is that? What does one get out of that? A fleeting moment of feeling like an expert?post #75 of 2156/13/14 at 9:18pmQuote:Relates to a point I was alluding before. The current generation -lives- in Internet & talking about products they have read about but never tried is a way to attract a virtual attention. These days are very different from the former days where ppl come to the Internet to learn & share but still know when to log off & go out to live in the real world.
In my cynical opinion anyway.
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