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post #46 of 215
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Originally Posted by orl2222 View Post


I too am a old member, and yup I agree with the OP. In, fact I raised  a similar question years ago...See this thread:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/62804/is-the-golden-age-of-headfi-over

Interesting thread - but I tend to agree with this comment posted by a member in reply to your topic in thread:
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

I can also see the other side of the coin in as much as people seem generally to be a bit intolerant to others views (not just here at head-fi but other big forum sites elsewhere) and maybe quick to dismiss or pigeon hole some "newcomer" as a "troll" or "fanboy/girl" who doesn't "behave" in the manner some established, long term members approve of to which their length of membership gives them a sense of entitlement to make such judgements. The ruffled long termer then red flags newcomers posts as only interpreting posts negatively resulting in possible unnecessary drama, and whilst I don't agree with other members views from time to time, I don't think restricting genuine free flowing opinions made is necessarily a good path to take...redface.gif
post #47 of 215

I find myself often skimming through threads looking for posts by headfiers who joined before 2005 or so, and when I find something interesting, reading through that headfiers posts via their profile. Obviously, not every headfier who has been around a while is perfect, but often they are more tempered in their enthusiasm and offer a valuable perspective. I would rather read one of their posts on a new product than 1,000 by a recent convert. I am afraid that headfi is losing those member's interests as I see less and less of the early headfiers posting. 

 

Oh, and I've recently started useing the "block member" function alot. 


Edited by imackler - 6/13/14 at 2:10am
post #48 of 215
I try steering people in the direction of earphones that are considered by many members to be very good even though I might not have heard them myself. I always make it clear that I haven't heard these myself and that they should read up more on the respective threads. So I should rather sit and lurk than have some interaction because I'm not someone who can afford to purchase tons of gear in order to have something valid to say about it?

I don't know, that strikes me as one of those elitist things that this hobby is plagued by. Only comment if you have the gear, your word is only valid if you're an experienced sound engineer and know the science of what you're hearing. The only proper sound signature is a flat one. No plebs allowed. If there's something I dislike about headphilia, it's this elitism. That elitism belongs in clubhouses and closed groups, not open-membership, public Internet forums.

I reckon that people have to take responsibility for the decisions they make in buying gear. Quite frankly, if you're going to come into a forum and buy the first thing recommended to you by a bunch of strangers without doing any of your own additional research, it's really not fair to blame other people for your dissatisfaction. People here do indeed express strong opinions about gear they don't even own. Then again, people express strong opinions on many things they know nothing about in the world. Sure, it's noise, but it's a pity when freedom if speech is dampened. I think it becomes a problem when people are repetitive and relentless with these things, but otherwise they just wanna give their two cents - is that such a crime?

My first head-Fi purchase was a bit of a disappointment, but I just considered it a lesson. I needed to learn what kind of sound signature I like and which forum members have a similar taste and give their opinions a little more weight in my decisions than others. Nobody forced me to buy anything, nobody made me choose that headphone.

If you find yourself consistently bothered by another member's views or style of posting, you can always just use the Block function. If you don't want young, inexperienced people to be able to have a say, then perhaps it would be wise to start your own Internet forum with stricter guidelines and perhaps closed membership so that you can practice confirmation bias with a group of like-minded individuals.
post #49 of 215
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Originally Posted by imackler View Post

I find myself often skimming through threads looking for posts by headfiers who joined before 2005 or so, and when I find something interesting, reading through that headfiers posts via their profile. Obviously, not every headfier who has been around a while is perfect, but often they are more tempered in their enthusiasm and offer a valuable perspective. I would rather read one of their posts on a new product than 1,000 by a recent convert. I am afraid that headfi is losing those member's interests as I see less and less of the early headfiers posting. 

Oh, and I've recently started useing the "block member" function alot. 

Weren't you once a "recent convert" and enthusiastic? wink.gif

But I guess we can all be guilty of looking back on things in our past with rose coloured glasses smily_headphones1.gif
post #50 of 215

This is why I never post my opinion much, my knowledge is pretty limited.  Well except that one time I posted about how hi-midfi is wasted on synth music.. which met unanimous disagreement.  Ended up wishing I had just kept my trap shut and wondering how other people weren't as disappointed as I was when I upgraded and realized that my synth stuff didn't sound much if any better going from low to mid-fi while every other genre I listened to saw a huge improvement.

 

No system is going to reveal detail in a recording that just isn't there in the first place.


Edited by Kost - 6/13/14 at 2:34am
post #51 of 215

I like a lot of the older amps and I am not so much on the FOTM type stuff.

 

I am guilty of sending pm's to older members here, who have a lot of experience, and for the most part...I feel I have been guided pretty well.

post #52 of 215
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Originally Posted by hatefulsandwich View Post

I try steering people in the direction of earphones that are considered by many members to be very good even though I might not have heard them myself. I always make it clear that I haven't heard these myself and that they should read up more on the respective threads. So I should rather sit and lurk than have some interaction because I'm not someone who can afford to purchase tons of gear in order to have something valid to say about it?

I don't know, that strikes me as one of those elitist things that this hobby is plagued by. Only comment if you have the gear, your word is only valid if you're an experienced sound engineer and know the science of what you're hearing. The only proper sound signature is a flat one. No plebs allowed. If there's something I dislike about headphilia, it's this elitism. That elitism belongs in clubhouses and closed groups, not open-membership, public Internet forums.

I reckon that people have to take responsibility for the decisions they make in buying gear. Quite frankly, if you're going to come into a forum and buy the first thing recommended to you by a bunch of strangers without doing any of your own additional research, it's really not fair to blame other people for your dissatisfaction. People here do indeed express strong opinions about gear they don't even own. Then again, people express strong opinions on many things they know nothing about in the world. Sure, it's noise, but it's a pity when freedom if speech is dampened. I think it becomes a problem when people are repetitive and relentless with these things, but otherwise they just wanna give their two cents - is that such a crime?

My first head-Fi purchase was a bit of a disappointment, but I just considered it a lesson. I needed to learn what kind of sound signature I like and which forum members have a similar taste and give their opinions a little more weight in my decisions than others. Nobody forced me to buy anything, nobody made me choose that headphone.

If you find yourself consistently bothered by another member's views or style of posting, you can always just use the Block function. If you don't want young, inexperienced people to be able to have a say, then perhaps it would be wise to start your own Internet forum with stricter guidelines and perhaps closed membership so that you can practice confirmation bias with a group of like-minded individuals.

 

I think what you're saying is a little extreme, however I don't agree with the idea of steering anyone towards any gear that one doesn't have experience with. It doesn't mean someone has to be an expert to make a recommendation, but my take is this: If you have similar tastes to someone who is asking for headphone suggestions, for example, it would be reasonable, even good to share one's own experiences with headphones and the same kind of music.

post #53 of 215
I think his "steering" is not "recommending"......more like alerting someone to a possible gem,
Or new launch...
for the seeker to read up further. Can be v helpful...:-)
post #54 of 215
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Originally Posted by Lorspeaker View Post

I think his "steering" is not "recommending"......more like alerting someone to a possible gem,
Or new launch...
for the seeker to read up further. Can be v helpful...:-)

Speaking of new launches, you would almost have to eliminate many of those threads, as I have seen page after page of comments arguing the virtues or weaknesses of equipment (SE 846 comes to mind) that was announced by manufacturers but had yet to be put in production.

post #55 of 215

truest topic on head-fi.

I can't even remember how many times my own experience with gear was dramatically different from what I expected after reading opinions about it on forums.

post #56 of 215
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Originally Posted by imackler View Post
 

 I am afraid that headfi is losing those member's interests as I see less and less of the early headfiers posting. 

 

 

I don't think this is always the case. 

 

Perhaps some of those members are losing interest because they've reached audio nirvana with some end-game headphone rig.  How fun can it be to go to the HD800 or the SR-009 thread, over and over again, to post that those models are great?  

 

Also, some of those early headfiers might have moved on to speakers...or they might have had kids (life takes precedence over an expensive headphone hobby)...or their wives told them than one more headphone purchase would mean divorce.  It's hard to tell why someone stops posting.

post #57 of 215
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Originally Posted by Kost View Post
 

This is why I never post my opinion much, my knowledge is pretty limited.  Well except that one time I posted about how hi-midfi is wasted on synth music.. which met unanimous disagreement.  Ended up wishing I had just kept my trap shut and wondering how other people weren't as disappointed as I was when I upgraded and realized that my synth stuff didn't sound much if any better going from low to mid-fi while every other genre I listened to saw a huge improvement.

 

No system is going to reveal detail in a recording that just isn't there in the first place.

 

Well, this is a perfect example of the kind of downhill spiral a forum can take. A person with the self-awareness to understand they don't know everything doesn't post, meanwhile, a chorus of voices who assume they are the authoritative voice of judge jury and executioner of all things audio continually produce a large volume of posts to drown out any dissenting opinion.

 

Like I said, I think the signal to noise ratio in Full Sized Headphones is too far gone at this point, but there are other sub forums that are worth your time here.

 

Ironically, I only started posting in Full Size Headphones after lurking for several years because of some triple face palm inducing commentary.

post #58 of 215
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Originally Posted by moriez View Post
 

 

Of the very highest value what you're saying there. A grand lesson. One can't be reminded and be aware enough of that. 


I'm so glad you think so! I feel like i haven't said anything right since i joined this website... :tongue_smile:

post #59 of 215

Very good point raised by the OP, in my opinion anyway. I've been a member on and off for almost as long as OP, and the amount of useless posters definitely grew exponentially since the early 2000s. I've had arguments with people on head-fi about headphones that as it turns out, 4 pages of bashing later, they hadn't even heard...

 

And it's more than just about owning a particular piece of gear also. We have some members who just got into this hobby, have very little experience with different headphones//amps/dacs/what have you, and will still feel qualified to tell you that X or Y piece of gear sucks (or is the greatest ever) with no basis of comparison.

 

The good thing though, is that usually the more knowledgeable members are quick to jump in and speak their mind. 

 

Oh, and we should also ban anyone recommending Bose or Beats. Just sayin. :D 

post #60 of 215
I hate to even bring up this topic, but it seems the state of the forum correlates with the much higher number of younger members here wanting to fit in with the rest of the forum. Even when I first found Head-Fi in 2007 (much later than a lot of the very established members), it was a much different place than it is now.

And even then, there are the people that just want to be heard. Since there are much more people now than there used to be, it's natural that there are simply more of those people.
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