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post #166 of 185

Having got to known teenagers of this generation in the last few years...it strikes me very vividly that the new breed are far more reasonable, logical and rational than my bunch when we were teenagers in high school and into our twenties. 

 

People seem to jump down their throats for no apparent reason...case in point, Justin Bieber is growing up to be as mischievious as every other teenager...quite innocent if you ask me.  Compare his actions to the outright insane behaviour of young rock stars in the previous generations...beheading birds with bare teeth, drugs that will kill a horse....even up to glamorising depression and violent suicide...you get my drift?

 

It makes today's urban music stars very tame in comparison (violent gangsta rap popularity has waned since early 2000 i.e. over a decade ago).  Justin Bieber is a good kid in my books.

 

I think this is relevant because inevitably, head-fi will be where young people can conglemerate and discuss great sound seeing as they are can't do that in real life like in the past (not their fault, it is the direction humanity has been embarking on since the beginning).  Their numbers will change the dynamics of this place considerably and inevitably.  I love it...young people discovering great sound en masse, I can only dream.

post #167 of 185
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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post
 

Having got to known teenagers of this generation in the last few years...it strikes me very vividly that the new breed are far more reasonable, logical and rational than my bunch when we were teenagers in high school and into our twenties. 

 

People seem to jump down their throats for no apparent reason...case in point, Justin Bieber is growing up to be as mischievious as every other teenager...quite innocent if you ask me.  Compare his actions to the outright insane behaviour of young rock stars in the previous generations...beheading birds with bare teeth, drugs that will kill a horse....even up to glamorising depression and violent suicide...you get my drift?

 

It makes today's urban music stars very tame in comparison (violent gangsta rap popularity has waned since early 2000 i.e. over a decade ago).  Justin Bieber is a good kid in my books.

 

I think this is relevant because inevitably, head-fi will be where young people can conglemerate and discuss great sound seeing as they are can't do that in real life like in the past (not their fault, it is the direction humanity has been embarking on since the beginning).  Their numbers will change the dynamics of this place considerably and inevitably.  I love it...young people discovering great sound en masse, I can only dream.

 

Tame is not necessarily a good thing. A tame teenager makes for an adult that hasn't gone wild in his younger days - a bad mix in my opinion.

 

Justin Bieber is a 20yr old talentless idiot. You can say what you want about the "insane behavior of young rock stars" - they still managed to make good music, and had enough brains to pass on a message. Decades and decades later their music is still as popular and beloved by millions. How can you even begin to compare Bieber to artists like Cobain, Hendrix, Morrison, Osbourne, etc... Theatrics aside, at least these artists succeeded in making their generations think. Today you have 7yr old girls dressing like Miley Cirus while play-acting sexual positions, all the while seeing their 40yr old mothers fawning over a 13yr old Canadian kid who flashes his abs at every camera - not exactly a great cultural success if you ask me.

 

In the end what is going to count is the impact made by the artist, not their quirks and oddities.


Edited by elmoe - 6/17/14 at 6:04am
post #168 of 185

Agreed about Beiber. I think every generation has looked back differently on the one in the past. That's inevitable with change. 

 

I'm still interested in this topic about "What happened to Head-Fi?" :smile:

post #169 of 185
My aunt knows Justin's parents actually, they've met him before he became famous and apparently he's pretty arrogant.

I'm young and I have to agree, modern mainstream music took a nosedive after the early 2000's. Then again, I don't really have typical music taste for a teenager... but I guess that comes from actually caring about music. Many people just bandwagon and listen to whatever us popular at the time, and many artists only come to be because of an attempt to play popular music or be famous (since I just watched the movie The Runaways, I'd say they would apply).
post #170 of 185

Have there ever been discussions about doing away with post counts, labels (except maybe contributor and moderator), and actually limiting the number of posts for all users? By doing away with some of the labels and post counts, you may take away some people's motive in posting too much without actually saying anything. By limiting posts, you'd encourage people to think before speaking, recommending, giving impressions. You'd also push more of the babble on threads to private conversations. Maybe a limit of one post per day per thread? I can't imagine that mods can police all the threads, but what if the forum could be tweaked to encourage more thinking before speaking. 

post #171 of 185

Well one thing we have not considered is the possibility that Head Fi is working just fine.

 

The pure chaos and contradictory opinions may just be reflective of the boom in the emergent portable audio world itself.

 

It's not like it was 30 or 40 years ago where headphones were considered an accessory to ones home stereo system. Even the days of the walkman did not create the demand that the ipod and subsequent smartphones have generated. A fairly new culture has emerged and after the mass infusion of mp3 players a move to (or return to) high quality audio has come about. Manufacturers were quick to identify this market and produce headphones and IEM's en masse to take advantage of it. With that comes the inevitable maelstrom of opinion, hype, fad buying and polarization of camps and strata of audiophilia.

 

Confusion, partisanism, contradiction, are just  symptoms of the simple fact that nobody really knows whats going on. Head fi reflects that perfectly.

 

 

I think Burrows would be proud:)

post #172 of 185
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Originally Posted by imackler View Post
 

Have there ever been discussions about doing away with post counts, labels (except maybe contributor and moderator), and actually limiting the number of posts for all users? By doing away with some of the labels and post counts, you may take away some people's motive in posting too much without actually saying anything. By limiting posts, you'd encourage people to think before speaking, recommending, giving impressions. You'd also push more of the babble on threads to private conversations. Maybe a limit of one post per day per thread? I can't imagine that mods can police all the threads, but what if the forum could be tweaked to encourage more thinking before speaking. 

 

That would be a pretty radical limit to impose across the board. It kinda goes against the idea of a healthy message board, and it would probably stifle positive discussion as much as it would weed out lower quality or unnecessary posts. Especially for a place like this where people are eager to ask questions about new products, or get clarification on complicated instructions, etc. I could see it driving people away because they think and react faster than the board allows them to. In short I think it would have too many negative ramifications that outweigh the positive benefits that could possibly result from it. Although SOME limit, within reason, might work. I'd say more along the lines of 5 min. delay between posts in the same thread, or a limit just for new members until they have been registered for 2 weeks, or something like that.

post #173 of 185
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Originally Posted by elmoe View Post
 

 

Tame is not necessarily a good thing. A tame teenager makes for an adult that hasn't gone wild in his younger days - a bad mix in my opinion.

 

Justin Bieber is a 20yr old talentless idiot. You can say what you want about the "insane behavior of young rock stars" - they still managed to make good music, and had enough brains to pass on a message. Decades and decades later their music is still as popular and beloved by millions. How can you even begin to compare Bieber to artists like Cobain, Hendrix, Morrison, Osbourne, etc... Theatrics aside, at least these artists succeeded in making their generations think. Today you have 7yr old girls dressing like Miley Cirus while play-acting sexual positions, all the while seeing their 40yr old mothers fawning over a 13yr old Canadian kid who flashes his abs at every camera - not exactly a great cultural success if you ask me.

 

In the end what is going to count is the impact made by the artist, not their quirks and oddities.

 

I think you may have missed my point.  I was not commenting on music talent, but the hypocrisy that we tend to develop as we get older because our memories fade.  Your comment about 40 year old mothers is coming closer to explaining some of the negative.  Generation X at its finest!  The ones that are supposed to sort it out are too busy paying a mortgage requiring dual incomes...generation X embraced the net, leaving no choice for the next generation but to also explore the net....we should just call it skynet.

 

Point being head fi is changing and I congratulate head fi for recognising this and realising that the old head fi is merely the first chapters of an ever changing tale.  We may not all agree with the changes, but we forget that no one is perfect and we can all get confused with what it is that should be done for the future benefit.  So the rules should be tweaked on a regular basis to keep up with the times.

post #174 of 185
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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post
 

People seem to jump down their throats for no apparent reason...case in point, Justin Bieber is growing up to be as mischievious as every other teenager...quite innocent if you ask me.  Compare his actions to the outright insane behaviour of young rock stars in the previous generations...beheading birds with bare teeth, drugs that will kill a horse....even up to glamorising depression and violent suicide...you get my drift?

 

It makes today's urban music stars very tame in comparison (violent gangsta rap popularity has waned since early 2000 i.e. over a decade ago).  Justin Bieber is a good kid in my books.

 

this is sooo off-topic, but…

 

The only person I know of that "beheaded a bird w/ his bare teeth" was Ozzy, but he was 33 (my age, coincidentally) at the time. He was also pretty strung-out.

 

I blame drugs more than his age.

 

And really have to disagree w/ you on Bieber being a "good kid". Speeding around the streets of Miami while intoxicated, endangering the lives of others, making MULTIPLE racist comments on video, etc. etc. etc. I really don't care about his music, but he's a massive tool and I hope he gets deported. 


Edited by thievesarmy - 6/17/14 at 3:45pm
post #175 of 185

I'm sure if all the stupid crap we did as teenagers and soon after were put on Youtube we'd all be very embarrassed. Maybe I should be grateful smartphones didn't exist when I was a teenager.

 

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Originally Posted by imackler View Post
 

what if the forum could be tweaked to encourage more thinking before speaking. 

 

New members get a long (maybe too long) welcome message guiding them on how to use Head-Fi. It includes pointing them to the posting guidelines. If you look in the Introductions, Help and Recommendations forum, you'll see very detailed first posts from new members quite often now. So to answer your question: They are encouraged to think from the very start.

 

The second thing I've done was encourage people to click on the "thumbs up" button on good posts. Rather than focus on the bad posts, focussing on the good posts, where people get an email saying "X gave you reputation for your post" I thought was better. :smile:

post #176 of 185
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Originally Posted by elmoe View Post
 

Tame is not necessarily a good thing. A tame teenager makes for an adult that hasn't gone wild in his younger days - a bad mix in my opinion.

 

 

 

I know this isn't relevant to the thread, but could you explain what you mean by this? I don't get it. 

post #177 of 185
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Originally Posted by Currawong View Post

 

The second thing I've done was encourage people to click on the "thumbs up" button on good posts. Rather than focus on the bad posts, focussing on the good posts, where people get an email saying "X gave you reputation for your post" I thought was better. :smile:

 

It may be silly, but I appreciate every time I get a thumbs up notification :)

post #178 of 185
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Originally Posted by pp312 View Post
 

 

 

I know this isn't relevant to the thread, but could you explain what you mean by this? I don't get it. 

 

I mean that everybody needs to let loose in their teenage years and learn to grow up through the experience of bad decisions. They're what helps you mature into a well-rounded adult in my opinion.

post #179 of 185
Well, this is an interesting thread...

Personally I subscribe to being able to give subjective rankings and listening preferences when it involves stating my PERSONAL opinion on sound; but I never recommend anything I haven't owned, or at the very least have listened to for an extended time, over multiple sessions.

Far too often I see people listing down gear that they'd like to hear, rather than what the poster asking the question is looking for. I think this is perhaps a contributing factor to the "FOTM" craze going on...

Either way I still love the head-fi community, with all it's flaws and ineffiencies, we are only human after all smily_headphones1.gif
post #180 of 185
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Originally Posted by elmoe View Post
 

 

I mean that everybody needs to let loose in their teenage years and learn to grow up through the experience of bad decisions. They're what helps you mature into a well-rounded adult in my opinion.

.oops - too many beers, go the blues!!!


Edited by mullos - 6/18/14 at 6:02am
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