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Well I've been listening to the sr60e and sr80e for the past couple days. I'd really like to see updated graphs because there is no way in heck there is 'more bass' in the sr60e.

If there does happen to be more bass its hidden somehow, because the bass on the sr80e is much clearer, more pronounced, more punchy, and deeper.

Compared to the sr80e the sr60e feels like the mid bass to upper midrange is more prominent but the treble and bass are chopped off. The sr80e seems much more 'open' because of this.

For $20 the sr80e is a definite upgrade and definitely worth paying for. I also agree with those commenting on a tin-sound with the sr60e. Something about the upper mid range makes it sound slightly off.

Just another reason why I cant put any stock in Tyll's reviews for my personal tastes.
Edited by silver8ack - Today at 9:34 am
post #5282 of 5291
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Originally Posted by silver8ack View Post

Well I've been listening to the sr60e and sr80e for the past couple days. I'd really like to see updated graphs because there is no way in heck there is 'more bass' in the sr60e.

If there does happen to be more bass its hidden somehow, because the bass on the sr80e is much clearer, more pronounced, more punchy, and deeper.

Just another reason why I cant put any stock in Tyll's reviews for my personal tastes.


Wait.....you want to see graphs. But you don't put much stock in Tyll's reviews, which rely heavily on graphs for their appeal imo.

Am I missing something here?
post #5283 of 5291
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Wait.....you want to see graphs. But you don't put much stock in Tyll's reviews, which rely heavily on graphs for their appeal imo.

Am I missing something here?
I like to correlate what I hear to the graphs, not staying I rely on them. But I would be shocked if the e series was the same as the current graphs show of the old series.

I'm not questions Tyll's methods of reviews, simply his taste in headphones. For instance the sr60 being on the wall of fame instead of the 80.

I'm a bit jaded. I wasted a lot of money on his recommendations of what 'hi-fi' should sound like and I don't agree. Ha.
Edited by silver8ack - Today at 10:21 am
post #5284 of 5291
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I like to correlate what I hear to the graphs, not staying I rely on them. But I would be shocked if the e series was the same as the current graphs show of the old series.

I'm not questions Tyll's methods of reviews, simply his taste in headphones. For instance the sr60 being on the wall of fame instead of the 80.

Well, I mean, to each his own.

If you try to correlate hearing to graphs, then you are relying on graphs to try to confirm the reliability and fallibility of your own perceptions. Period.
Edited by CanadianMaestro - Today at 10:22 am
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Well, I mean, to each his own.

If you try to correlate hearing to graphs, then you are relying on graphs to try to confirm the reliability and fallibility of your own perceptions. Period.
Ok so... Your way or the highway? Audio is subjective. A fact I had to learn. I have my methods for trying to figure out what I hear. I'm not sure what your problem with me is.

I think graphs DO have a role. I'm not staying they're the end all but to completely ignore them is ignorant IMO.

In my attempts at finding the holy grail(perfect headphone) I've been able to use EQ and some frequency graphs to make a lot of headphones sound similar. So to say they are useless shows the fallibility of your own perceptions.

I realize there's a lot more than frequency graphs. I had to learn that however.
post #5286 of 5291
I am all for subjectivity, and I am not getting personal with you at all. So chill. Clarifying logical gaps in what was written is not a personal attack.
post #5287 of 5291
From my experience you can learn from graphs. Learn, not rely.
post #5288 of 5291
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From my experience you can learn from graphs. Learn, not rely.

Absolutely, and tons of it.

Cheers
post #5289 of 5291

I found the SR60x-SR80x bass quite clearly different. The 80 was better defined slighty, as the headphone was right across the whole spectrum. However I felt the SR60 had something else in the bass. The only explanation I think for which, is the Headroom graph, showing more sub-bass, and slightly more bass over-all. That fits what I heard. The 80 is clearer and harder hitting above the really low down stuff.

 

There are however two aspects to take into consideration. One, there are claims of difference between same model examples. Also I think you have to have an example that highlights it though. I might never have noticed it in my auditioning, had I not just caught a certain part of a song on a radio in a hi-fi shop while auditioning.

 

The low down vibrating sort of buzzy sound on Rhianna song Umbrella sounds noticabley different on those two headphones. (It's not really to everyone's taste to say the least. However that is as far from relevant as you can get in this discussion.) The bassy noise comes in at 56sec, and 2.02 on this vid. It is however very unclear on this low resolution audio recording. You would need a good quality version. I found a youtube of it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvBfHwUxHIk&list=RDCvBfHwUxHIk

 

I can not say for certain I can even hear now what I heard that day. Partly because I using SR225e, which graphs show have the least bass. Secondly it doesn't sound clear on the youtube vid, like it did when I was auditioning the SR60-80. On the SR80 it sounded clearer and slightly more detailed. On the SR60 though it had a warmer rumbling buzzing low down depth on it.

 

The tone on the SR60 jumped out at me because I am slightly obsessed with that sort of noise. A lot of dance anthems incorporate it in one form or another, (either lighter souding or differently pitched). Anyway I whipped the 80's on and it just was not there in the same way. I was like, "Uh yeah, but where's buzz buzz buzz. Why doesn't it sound the same but better? Yes the sound is closer to my senses but it's not the buzzing me the same".


Edited by GreenBow - Today at 2:16 pm
post #5290 of 5291
Good points. I love the bass of my old 60i. Maybe not cleanest, but hey, it's an entry Grado, and those are fun x 10.
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What are the differences between the RS2e and the RS1e in terms of sound signature? Will the RS2 equal the RS1 in detail resolution?


From GradoService, re. diff between 1e and 2e

 

Hi
 
 would say about 65% (% of 1e from 2e)
 
the RS-1e will have the 12 conductor cable
as well as the bigger drivers
 
therefore
 
more dynamic range
greater extension in the frequency extremes
better stereo stability'
quieter backgrounds
 
that said good source equipment is important, which goes without saying
 
Cheers

 

 

Thanks.

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