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post #391 of 6519

I have this dream of one day having some GS1000e on a polished wooden headphone stand. A functional work of art. I have a relative who does wooden artwork. I already asked him if he would make a headphone stand for me and he said no, but I am going to keep nudging him from time to time.Sooner or later he will give in and by then maybe I'll have the money for the GS.

post #392 of 6519

I did a quick search on comparisons between the various grado models. Astonishingly, there is no consensus whatsoever on anything. Some say the sweet spot is the 225, others say it's the 325. Some say the RS1 is vastly superior to the 60i, akin to listening to lossless files vs am radio. Others say that the house sound ensures that each model sounds more or less the same.

 

To follow on this latter point, the grados all have a similar sound, but each model has incremental changes that have a modest to indiscernible impact on sound quality but have a high yield in profits for grado. In other words, the actual sound quality gains are negligible, but the minor tweaks are enough to justify enormous price and therefore profit differentials. The only significant difference in sound is due to the use of bowls vs. comfies.

 

Anyway, it seems as though there are as many opinions on the differences between grados as there are grado listeners. The lack of consensus and huge disparities of opinion suggest to me that all models are very similar.

 

I don't plan on taking a big expensive leap into grado without the assurance that I like the grado house sound. I don't think I can justify anything more expensive than the 125 as a starter headphone.

 

Anyway, there is just not enough information about the e series right now to make any kind of an informed decision. I'll wait till the reviews are in.

post #393 of 6519
Quote:
Originally Posted by music101 View Post
 

I did a quick search on comparisons between the various grado models. Astonishingly, there is no consensus whatsoever on anything. Some say the sweet spot is the 225, others say it's the 325. Some say the RS1 is vastly superior to the 60i, akin to listening to lossless files vs am radio. Others say that the house sound ensures that each model sounds more or less the same.

 

To follow on this latter point, the grados all have a similar sound, but each model has incremental changes that have a modest to indiscernible impact on sound quality but have a high yield in profits for grado. In other words, the actual sound quality gains are negligible, but the minor tweaks are enough to justify enormous price and therefore profit differentials. The only significant difference in sound is due to the use of bowls vs. comfies.

 

Anyway, it seems as though there are as many opinions on the differences between grados as there are grado listeners. The lack of consensus and huge disparities of opinion suggest to me that all models are very similar.

 

I don't plan on taking a big expensive leap into grado without the assurance that I like the grado house sound. I don't think I can justify anything more expensive than the 125 as a starter headphone.

 

Anyway, there is just not enough information about the e series right now to make any kind of an informed decision. I'll wait till the reviews are in.

If you haven't actually heard the grados before, I'd actually suggest starting low and see if you like the sound before going further up.

 

imo, grado is an "acquired taste". Most either love or hate it, and outside of a grado thread, I would not recommend a grado to anybody.

post #394 of 6519
If you invest in a "lesser" Grado, be sure to get a set of L-cushions (bowls) so that you get a good idea of what Grados are all about.
post #395 of 6519
Quote:
Originally Posted by music101 View Post

I did a quick search on comparisons between the various grado models. Astonishingly, there is no consensus whatsoever on anything. Some say the sweet spot is the 225, others say it's the 325. Some say the RS1 is vastly superior to the 60i, akin to listening to lossless files vs am radio. Others say that the house sound ensures that each model sounds more or less the same.



 



To follow on this latter point, the grados all have a similar sound, but each model has incremental changes that have a modest to indiscernible impact on sound quality but have a high yield in profits for grado. In other words, the actual sound quality gains are negligible, but the minor tweaks are enough to justify enormous price and therefore profit differentials. The only significant difference in sound is due to the use of bowls vs. comfies.



 



Anyway, it seems as though there are as many opinions on the differences between grados as there are grado listeners. The lack of consensus and huge disparities of opinion suggest to me that all models are very similar.



 



I don't plan on taking a big expensive leap into grado without the assurance that I like the grado house sound. I don't think I can justify anything more expensive than the 125 as a starter headphone.



 



Anyway, there is just not enough information about the e series right now to make any kind of an informed decision. I'll wait till the reviews are in.


 



I have similar sentiments in general. That's why I started with SR80i to get a general feel of the Grado sound. Only after a few days when I'm sure I like the Grado's sound signature that I thought about the higher models. True enough between the SR80i and 325e, the improvement is incremental. It feels like it's just a bit of improvement here and there coming from SR80i. More bass, more weight/impact in overall sound. The slightly more sensitive "e" is also a bonus. But at 3 times the difference in price, it feels like going up the higher models don't add anything significant from where I am at right now.

I will have to spend more time auditioning the higher models and see how far the improvements/change goes from here. I tried PS500i and like it overall but it feels it's gone far from the regular Grado sound. The RS1e felt a bit congested and thinner against the 325i. But then, the pair I tried is new out of the box. Maybe just needs more break-in.

The RS2 is particularly interesting. If the FR chart from headroom is a good reference, it offers a tad more bass than 325 and has a opposite peaks and valleys against a 325 on the treble side. Perhaps a better compliment to 325.
post #396 of 6519
anyone coming here looking for consensus will be bummed out. wink.gif they really need first-hand experience to know for sure. that's where in-store auditions and meets come in.

as far as differences between grado models go, i tried an sr-60, sr-80 and sr-125 a while back and they sounded pretty similar. but the differences between the rs1i and the ps1000 i heard were obvious imo.

@ headwhacker, my buddy likes his rs2i more than his rs1i.
Edited by up late - 6/24/14 at 6:19am
post #397 of 6519
Quote:
Originally Posted by music101 View Post

I did a quick search on comparisons between the various grado models. Astonishingly, there is no consensus whatsoever on anything. Some say the sweet spot is the 225, others say it's the 325. Some say the RS1 is vastly superior to the 60i, akin to listening to lossless files vs am radio. Others say that the house sound ensures that each model sounds more or less the same.

To follow on this latter point, the grados all have a similar sound, but each model has incremental changes that have a modest to indiscernible impact on sound quality but have a high yield in profits for grado. In other words, the actual sound quality gains are negligible, but the minor tweaks are enough to justify enormous price and therefore profit differentials. The only significant difference in sound is due to the use of bowls vs. comfies.

Anyway, it seems as though there are as many opinions on the differences between grados as there are grado listeners. The lack of consensus and huge disparities of opinion suggest to me that all models are very similar.

I don't plan on taking a big expensive leap into grado without the assurance that I like the grado house sound. I don't think I can justify anything more expensive than the 125 as a starter headphone.

Anyway, there is just not enough information about the e series right now to make any kind of an informed decision. I'll wait till the reviews are in.

If at all possible, attend a meet. Great way to start getting an idea what you like and what you don't. I found that I generally dig Grado sound, adore the GS1K, and really dislike the HF-2, for example. No amount of reading would likely lead me to those (valuable) conclusions IMO.
post #398 of 6519
good advice man. kinda hard to make an informed decision about a headphone without trying it. reading other folks posts won't tell you if you'll like the sound of a can when you hear it or if it'll feel comfortable on your noggin.
Edited by up late - 6/24/14 at 8:02am
post #399 of 6519
I got in contact with Alessandro about the E series. It would seem both the MS1 and MS1i are e series. This is what they had to say. On 24 Jun 2014

08:55, "ALESSANDRO" wrote:
The 2009 version MS1i ($109.99) has a newer housing design and larger air chamber than the MS1 ($99.00).

Thank you

Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 5:36 AM
To: ALESSANDRO
Subject: Re: Alessandro MS1e

So what's the difference between the MS1 and the MS1 2008 version?

On 23 Jun 2014 21:33, "ALESSANDRO" wrote:
We have applied the same changes, but we are not changing the model names or numbers.

Thank you

Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 8:45 PM
To: hounddogcorp@msn.com
Subject: Alessandro MS1e

Since Grado introduced the e series, I wanted to know if you all also implemented them. i only see Music Series one, and Music Series One 2009 version, which I have reason to believe is the MS1 and MS1i.
Edited by BWAS1000 - 6/24/14 at 9:42am
post #400 of 6519
Quote:
Originally Posted by BWAS1000 View Post

I got in contact with Alessandro about the E series. It would seem both the MS1 and MS1i are e series. This is what they had to say. On 24 Jun 2014

08:55, "ALESSANDRO" wrote:
The 2009 version MS1i ($109.99) has a newer housing design and larger air chamber than the MS1 ($99.00).

Thank you

Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 5:36 AM
To: ALESSANDRO
Subject: Re: Alessandro MS1e

So what's the difference between the MS1 and the MS1 2008 version?

On 23 Jun 2014 21:33, "ALESSANDRO" wrote:
We have applied the same changes, but we are not changing the model names or numbers.

Thank you

Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 8:45 PM
To: hounddogcorp@msn.com
Subject: Alessandro MS1e

Since Grado introduced the e series, I wanted to know if you all also implemented them. i only see Music Series one, and Music Series One 2009 version, which I have reason to believe is the MS1 and MS1i.

 

What a strange response!

post #401 of 6519
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Originally Posted by sinnottj View Post
 

 

What a strange response!


Yes, you would think they would be eager to identify the new model.

post #402 of 6519
Quote:
Originally Posted by BWAS1000 View Post
 


Yes, you would think they would be eager to identify the new model.


That would make it a bit harder to guess which version is it.

post #403 of 6519
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rauliki View Post
 


That would make it a bit harder to guess which version is it.


My interpretation is both have the E drivers, but one has the original MS1 housing while another has the MS1i housing. If thats not confusing I dunno what is.

post #404 of 6519
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nada190 View Post
 

Man Grado's are beautiful, have to thank covert affairs for showing them off. I only want wood cups but the cheapest one's are just too expensive for me at $500.

 

If I were to get a pair of SR80e or SR125e and get some Vibro cups would that sound good? Otherwise I'd just get the SR225e and leave them stock. 

 

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by music101 View Post
 

I did a quick search on comparisons between the various grado models. Astonishingly, there is no consensus whatsoever on anything. Some say the sweet spot is the 225, others say it's the 325. Some say the RS1 is vastly superior to the 60i, akin to listening to lossless files vs am radio. Others say that the house sound ensures that each model sounds more or less the same.

 

To follow on this latter point, the grados all have a similar sound, but each model has incremental changes that have a modest to indiscernible impact on sound quality but have a high yield in profits for grado. In other words, the actual sound quality gains are negligible, but the minor tweaks are enough to justify enormous price and therefore profit differentials. The only significant difference in sound is due to the use of bowls vs. comfies.

 

Anyway, it seems as though there are as many opinions on the differences between grados as there are grado listeners. The lack of consensus and huge disparities of opinion suggest to me that all models are very similar.

 

I don't plan on taking a big expensive leap into grado without the assurance that I like the grado house sound. I don't think I can justify anything more expensive than the 125 as a starter headphone.

 

Anyway, there is just not enough information about the e series right now to make any kind of an informed decision. I'll wait till the reviews are in.

 

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by etnt View Post
 

If you haven't actually heard the grados before, I'd actually suggest starting low and see if you like the sound before going further up.

 

imo, grado is an "acquired taste". Most either love or hate it, and outside of a grado thread, I would not recommend a grado to anybody.

 

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by BWAS1000 View Post
 


My interpretation is both have the E drivers, but one has the original MS1 housing while another has the MS1i housing. If thats not confusing I dunno what is.

The MSx cups are not beveled shape (otherwise known as Frankenstein bolts).

The MSxi cups are beveled (like mushrooms), like all current models.

post #405 of 6519
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Originally Posted by BWAS1000 View Post
 


My interpretation is both have the E drivers, but one has the original MS1 housing while another has the MS1i housing. If thats not confusing I dunno what is.


That was also my intepretation.

 

I'd be very surprised if they actually do that though ...

 

Frankly, I'm surprised they still have old stock of the original MS1 for sale! Has anyone bought one recently, I wonder ?!?

 

I was under the impression that Grado manufacture the Music Series for Alessandro (to their specification) and whatever is the current Grado model (SR80i / SR325is / RS1i) forms the basis of the Alessandro equivalent (MS1i / MS2i / MS Pro)

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