Yes. The actual diaphragm size (what really matters) is about the size of that round cloth covering on the driver cap.
Damn, they thinks we's fools...
40-45-50mm drivers ? i don't really care, if there is an improvement, so what ?? say they aren't the "as advertised" size, again, i don't care really, its not like they raised the price , if i buy, and i feel they aren't worth the price, i can return them ?? wow, novel idea
"if it sounds good, it is good" no matter what size , what piece, what materials are used , who assembles it, what color clothes they were
wearing on the third tuesday of the month when they were built ....... y'all get the idea
i kinda have a feeling, someone will get one, and uhhhhhh, take it apart , and compare it to an old one ??? imagine that
i happen to like the way gradodoes things, and until i learn , or HEAR something to the contrary, i'll take the folks at grado at their word.
can we let it go , move on ?
and another thing,
look at how they handled, roll out of something new was handled. compare it to how some other recent roll out, announcements were handled,
i think grado has done it the way it should be done.
its like we constantly want to nit pick, over analyze minutia , and not be happy
whew, rant over, i feel better
resume today's activities
Well said, 101.
I'm very excited by this news, as Grados have been my first love in headphones. The Audeze LCD-X pretty much ruined me for everything else, so I would love it if the new PS1K-e gave me enough reason to finally pull the trigger on those chrome beauties. Not to replace the Xs, of course, but so that I can at least have another headphone to play with that is on par with the excellent Audeze offering.
I think the real test will be once DubstepGirl gets hold of a pair lol...she's a tough critic when it comes to Grado, and I trust that she'll offer some honest feedback.
So basically if the current laws of physics are still accurate, the new RS1e should have bigger wooden cups to be able to house the bigger driver.
If it's not, then all the talk about the new driver sizes are probably marketing bollocks to create imaginary differences between the models to make us believe there is an actual difference in the drivers while in reality the PS1000 uses iGrado drivers :p
They say what elsewhere on their website? Please quote what you're referring to so I can understand, cause I agree about holding companies to their claims. But at the same time I think it's not cool to make accusations that are unfounded (not saying you're doing that, just so you know).
And yeah, I agree, the early reports of improved sonics are very encouraging. I love that the PS500s, my favorite Grado, have been upgraded, too.
in the product description...
I just did some basic measurements and the outside overall diameter of the driver on my RS1i red driver is just under 2"... that includes the mounting ring that the driver sticks up out of. My PS500 driver (old model) driver measures slightly smaller (just over 1 3/4") I'm just spit balling here but the new drivers look like the actual driver is recessed farther back in the housing then the old drivers... it is possible that the driver is bigger then 40mm, but I'd have to say they are most definitely not 50mm UNLESS Grado counts the mounting ring as part of the driver. Heck with the distance the membrane is recessed it could actually mount to the plastic ring and then the grill cover is glued over it on a lip surrounding the membrane!
The backs of the drivers are very different VS the old models... the vent holes are much bigger, and there are more of them (10 vs 8 with the old driver)
I'm not going any farther then this because I have no desire to take apart a new RS1 just to prove a point. Grado says 50MM and if you count the complete driver housing and mounting system you have an assembly that is about 50mm across.
Anyways I agree with Jay, these sound good, fit almost the same (actually better IMO) and that's all that matters.
Oh, yeah I know they say 50mm, I thought you were indicating they were claiming it was an entirely new driver. Everything I've read so far seems to indicate they have taken their previous line and refined it to the degree that it's improved in key areas. All I can say is that I've had numerous email exchanges with Grado about everything from whether their headphones use different drivers to whether or not Pope Benedict owned a pair of HF-1s or any other pair. They've always been very responsive, candid and - as best as I can tell - honest with me. They know very well that people on sites like this nitpick and scrutinize every detail, so for anyone (again, not saying you) to suggest they are trying to pull a fast one, I just don't buy it.
I just spoke with Grado, and here is what they said:
"Hi AJ, John Grado has designed a new range of drivers. They are completely different from the "i" series of drivers. New dome geometry and new magnetic architecture. Cheers"