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post #301 of 6527
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Originally Posted by sinnottj View Post
 


That's exactly what I was thinking ...

 

Also, if you measure the diameter of any old Grado driver, and include the outer plastic edge (ie the whole driver 'capsule' and not just the diaphragm) it's 44mm ;)

 

Yes. The actual diaphragm size (what really matters) is about the size of that round cloth covering on the driver cap.

 

Damn, they thinks we's fools...

post #302 of 6527

So the drivers are still 44mm, but including the driver housing there 50mm?

post #303 of 6527

40-45-50mm drivers ? i don't really care, if there is an improvement, so what ??  say they aren't the "as advertised" size, again, i don't care really, its not like they raised the price , if i buy, and i feel they aren't worth the price, i can return them ?? wow, novel idea

 

"if it sounds good, it is good" no matter what size , what piece, what materials are used , who assembles it, what color clothes they were

wearing on the third tuesday of the month when they were built ....... y'all get the idea

i kinda have a feeling, someone will get one, and uhhhhhh, take it apart , and compare it to an old one ??? imagine that

i happen to like the way gradodoes things, and until i learn , or HEAR something to the contrary, i'll take the folks at grado at their word.

geeeeez

 

 

can we let it go , move on ?

post #304 of 6527

and another thing,

look at how they handled, roll out of something new was handled. compare it to how some other recent roll out, announcements were handled,

i think grado has done it the way it should be done.

its like we constantly want to nit pick, over analyze minutia , and not be happy

 

whew, rant over, i feel better :rolleyes:

resume today's activities

post #305 of 6527

Well said, 101. 

 

I'm very excited by this news, as Grados have been my first love in headphones. The Audeze LCD-X pretty much ruined me for everything else, so I would love it if the new PS1K-e gave me enough reason to finally pull the trigger on those chrome beauties. Not to replace the Xs, of course, but so that I can at least have another headphone to play with that is on par with the excellent Audeze offering. 

 

I think the real test will be once DubstepGirl gets hold of a pair lol...she's a tough critic when it comes to Grado, and I trust that she'll offer some honest feedback. 

post #306 of 6527
I was talking about the driver size claim. It's on the rs1e page. It's only on specific headphone pages that they refer to new driver sizes. The less specific claims are on the front page.

"The new RS1e from Grado uses a different species of handcrafted mahogany from our previous models. The earpieces utilize an intricate curing process that optimizes the tonal quality while giving them a new look. The RS1e places a 50mm dynamic transducer and an 8 conductor cable design in an open-air configuration. The result is a smooth, controlled, and coherent sound with detailed dynamics. Frequency response ranges from 12-30 kHz and the drivers are matched to 0.05dB. Weighing 9oz, the headphones are an example of the wonders of Mother Nature with a gorgeous light mahogany look. The RS1e is a masterpiece in the Grado collection."
post #307 of 6527

So basically if the current laws of physics are still accurate, the new RS1e should have bigger wooden cups to be able to house the bigger driver.

If it's not, then all the talk about the new driver sizes are probably marketing bollocks to create imaginary differences between the models to make us believe there is an actual difference in the drivers while in reality the PS1000 uses iGrado drivers :p

post #308 of 6527
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Originally Posted by Focker View Post
 

They say what elsewhere on their website? Please quote what you're referring to so I can understand, cause I agree about holding companies to their claims. But at the same time I think it's not cool to make accusations that are unfounded (not saying you're doing that, just so you know). 

 

And yeah, I agree, the early reports of improved sonics are very encouraging. I love that the PS500s, my favorite Grado, have been upgraded, too. 

 

http://www.gradolabs.com/headphones/reference-series/item/6-rs1e

 

in the product description...

 

I just did some basic measurements and the outside overall diameter of the driver on my RS1i red driver is just under 2"... that includes the mounting ring that the driver sticks up out of. My PS500 driver (old model) driver measures slightly smaller (just over 1 3/4") I'm just spit balling here but the new drivers look like the actual driver is recessed farther back in the housing then the old drivers... it is possible that the driver is bigger then 40mm, but I'd have to say they are most definitely not 50mm UNLESS Grado counts the mounting ring as part of the driver. Heck with the distance the membrane is recessed it could actually mount to the plastic ring and then the grill cover is glued over it on a lip surrounding the membrane!

 

The backs of the drivers are very different VS the old models... the vent holes are much bigger, and there are more of them (10 vs 8 with the old driver)

 

I'm not going any farther then this because I have no desire to take apart a new RS1 just to prove a point. Grado says 50MM and if you count the complete driver housing and mounting system you have an assembly that is about 50mm across.

 

Anyways I agree with Jay, these sound good, fit almost the same (actually better IMO) and that's all that matters.

post #309 of 6527
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Originally Posted by LCfiner View Post

I was talking about the driver size claim. It's on the rs1e page. It's only on specific headphone pages that they refer to new driver sizes. The less specific claims are on the front page.

"The new RS1e from Grado uses a different species of handcrafted mahogany from our previous models. The earpieces utilize an intricate curing process that optimizes the tonal quality while giving them a new look. The RS1e places a 50mm dynamic transducer and an 8 conductor cable design in an open-air configuration. The result is a smooth, controlled, and coherent sound with detailed dynamics. Frequency response ranges from 12-30 kHz and the drivers are matched to 0.05dB. Weighing 9oz, the headphones are an example of the wonders of Mother Nature with a gorgeous light mahogany look. The RS1e is a masterpiece in the Grado collection."

 

Oh, yeah I know they say 50mm, I thought you were indicating they were claiming it was an entirely new driver. Everything I've read so far seems to indicate they have taken their previous line and refined it to the degree that it's improved in key areas. All I can say is that I've had numerous email exchanges with Grado about everything from whether their headphones use different drivers to whether or not Pope Benedict owned a pair of HF-1s or any other pair. They've always been very responsive, candid and - as best as I can tell - honest with me. They know very well that people on sites like this nitpick and scrutinize every detail, so for anyone (again, not saying you) to suggest they are trying to pull a fast one, I just don't buy it. 

post #310 of 6527
This is starting to look a lot like the HiFiMan 560 and Oppo release threads.

Couple of things to keep in mind: Grado doesn't do much measurement testing. Maybe some, but it's mostly by ear and engineering know-how. So it stands to reason they'd rate their drivers for the highest and lowest frequencies the driver could possibly produce, whether audible or not. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but that seems logical, no?

Also, we are all here because we own Grados right? Or want to own Grados, etc. If you are curious, get a pair yourself and check. Alternatively, ask Grado themselves. If they say it's 50mm and you don't believe them because "the plastic ring doesn't count" them feel free to go ahead and start a protest campaign or try to sue them or whatever. I'm sure you'd find that most headphone companies have varying ways of measuring their stuff. There isn't really a speaker police with all the industry tape measures under their thumb, at least as far as I'm aware.

I totally get wanting to hold company's to a certain standard but consider 1) Has Grado given reason to doubt their integrity? (This may be true for you personally, but I don't think it is for most Grado customers) and 2) HiFiMan 560. Cosmetic issues, small comments misconstrued, suddenly a whole launch is delayed because people misinterpreted or saw pictures, assumed stuff and made a huge stink. People started getting them and suddenly had nothing but praise. Wasted time. Oppo comes out and people rave about pictures and build quality. Finally get them and half are returned because they sound fun but really only perform like $500 cans.

If you already have i series cans enjoy them! The hardest part of the hobby is being satisfied, I know that personally, but sometimes you just gotta look at your stuff and think "I have a great setup, it sounds really awesome, and the fact that there is a newest version of if that I haven't heard doesn't make my stuff sound any worse"

Head-Fi. I love you, but you really gotta chill. Deep breath, reach for your diaphragm of choice and just... Relax.
post #311 of 6527

The Oppos were very disappointing to my ears, so this is especially good news that my beloved Grados have given us more reason to be excited. 

post #312 of 6527
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Originally Posted by LCfiner View Post

I was talking about the driver size claim. It's on the rs1e page. It's only on specific headphone pages that they refer to new driver sizes. The less specific claims are on the front page.

"The new RS1e from Grado uses a different species of handcrafted mahogany from our previous models. The earpieces utilize an intricate curing process that optimizes the tonal quality while giving them a new look. The RS1e places a 50mm dynamic transducer and an 8 conductor cable design in an open-air configuration. The result is a smooth, controlled, and coherent sound with detailed dynamics. Frequency response ranges from 12-30 kHz and the drivers are matched to 0.05dB. Weighing 9oz, the headphones are an example of the wonders of Mother Nature with a gorgeous light mahogany look. The RS1e is a masterpiece in the Grado collection."

 

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Originally Posted by LCfiner View Post

They say it elsewhere on their website. It's all there. Also, someone called them and they said it was a 50mm driver in the rs1e, gs and ps1k headphones.

Having only seen pics of the rs1e, I don't see how those are 50mm.

 

If nothing else, it comes across as misleading. Anybody who has read my posts over the last 12 years knows that I have been one of the biggest Grado promoters. But I have grown weary of their putting a different spin on a 20 year old driver and 10-20 year old model numbers. If you've improved the design and hence the sound, indicate HOW. Don't just paint the same old same old with glossy rhetoric.

post #313 of 6527

I just spoke with Grado, and here is what they said: 

 

"Hi AJ, John Grado has designed a new range of drivers. They are completely different from the "i" series of drivers. New dome geometry and new magnetic architecture. Cheers"

post #314 of 6527
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Originally Posted by Focker View Post

I just spoke with Grado, and here is what they said: 

"Hi AJ, John Grado has designed a new range of drivers. They are completely different from the "i" series of drivers. New dome geometry and new magnetic architecture. Cheers"

Thanks. That doesn't answer the size question though.
post #315 of 6527
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Originally Posted by Claritas View Post

Thanks. That doesn't answer the size question though.
Does the size of the new "e" drivers really matter all that much if the sound reproduction is just as good if not better than the "i" series?
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