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post #2581 of 6654
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Originally Posted by NotaLefty View Post
 

Hey guys and gals. I just bought a pair of 325e's after battling it out with the RS1e's, and (shocker) I'm finding them rather uncomfortable. It is just the clamping force of a hard driver being pressed against my head that is bothering me. Are there any simple pad replacements or modifications that can be done to make these otherwise great headphones more comfortable? 

 

Ear Zonk G-Cushions are comfortable and the RS1e sounds really good with them, but I'm not sure about the SR325e. 

post #2582 of 6654
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Originally Posted by NotaLefty View Post
 

Hey guys and gals. I just bought a pair of 325e's after battling it out with the RS1e's, and (shocker) I'm finding them rather uncomfortable. It is just the clamping force of a hard driver being pressed against my head that is bothering me. Are there any simple pad replacements or modifications that can be done to make these otherwise great headphones more comfortable? 

 

Try bending the headband (small adjustments at a time) till the clamping force is right for you. This is the Grado recommended way and is mentioned inside the box.

post #2583 of 6654
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Originally Posted by KlarkKentThe3rd View Post
 

I realized that the only way to get a neutral response out of my SR80e is to use the flat pad (default) and put the driver directly over my ear (as you do anyway). When I move it away a little, the bass starts to fade.

 

Which raises this question in my head: what pad, or cup design is needed to keep the bass even when moving the driver... say 5mm further from the ear? It is even possible?

 

Just to be clear, the SR80e comes with S-cush (comfies), flat pads are usually associated with those available from TTVJ.

post #2584 of 6654
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Originally Posted by stacker45 View Post
 

 

Just to be clear, the SR80e comes with S-cush (comfies), flat pads are usually associated with those available from TTVJ.


I call them flats because they are flat. I was just wondering if it's possible to place the driver farther away from the ear without losing the bass.

post #2585 of 6654

Yes, they are flat, but so are TTVJ's, that's why we call the stock SR60 pads, S-pads, or comfies, to avoid any confusion.

 

In my opinion, all else being equal, the further away a driver is, from the ears, the less bass you have. 

post #2586 of 6654
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Originally Posted by KlarkKentThe3rd View Post


I call them flats because they are flat. I was just wondering if it's possible to place the driver farther away from the ear without losing the bass.

Tape mod some L Cush pads. Have em on my 325e. Excellent mod that improves bass punch and depth.
post #2587 of 6654
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Originally Posted by JoeDoe View Post


Tape mod some L Cush pads. Have em on my 325e. Excellent mod that improves bass punch and depth.

tape mod on the 325e, interesting

post #2588 of 6654
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Originally Posted by jaywillin View Post

tape mod on the 325e, interesting

I'm digging it. The e version is already a little smoother and the tape mod further moves it towards the PS500/RS1 sound.
post #2589 of 6654
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Originally Posted by JoeDoe View Post


I'm digging it. The e version is already a little smoother and the tape mod further moves it towards the PS500/RS1 sound.

even more interesting !!

post #2590 of 6654
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Originally Posted by JoeDoe View Post


I'm digging it. The e version is already a little smoother and the tape mod further moves it towards the PS500/RS1 sound.

 

Agree, the tape mod is one of the best mod for sr325/225 series, though IMO, that doesn't make them to sound like PS500/RS1.

post #2591 of 6654

I'm listening to the RS1e with G-cush pads and holy hell is that ever smooth.  It sounds much better than I was expecting, considering that these pads dramatically change the signature and that the headphones weren't voiced for them. 

 

The RS1e absolutely sound better like this, to the point where I have to wonder if Grado is using the same driver between the GS1000e and RS1e (or if my pair happened to be a screw up where the wrong drivers got in).   The sound just makes much more sense with these pads.

 

The soundstage is huge, but the placement and convincing sense of presence (my favorite RS1e qualities) are still as strong as with the original pads.   The treble is indeed better and more Grado-like, very similar to the RS1i.  Very, very nice and immediately enjoyable sound.

 

The level of bass is actually not really reduced at all, but the impact and tightness slightly is.  The midrange is also a little thinner than before.  It's also harder to find a consistent volume that works, since they dynamics seem more extreme.  These sacrifices are nowhere near as big as the gains in the treble, though.

 

I just may keep these headphones now.  It's tough, because the RS1i also sound fantastic to me at this point... I'm wondering why I even wanted to upgrade in the first place (rhetorical statement, it was obviously upgraditis). 

post #2592 of 6654
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Originally Posted by Nerrel View Post
 

I'm listening to the RS1e with G-cush pads and holy hell is that ever smooth.  It sounds much better than I was expecting, considering that these pads dramatically change the signature and that the headphones weren't voiced for them. 

 

The RS1e absolutely sound better like this, to the point where I have to wonder if Grado is using the same driver between the GS1000e and RS1e (or if my pair happened to be a screw up where the wrong drivers got in).   The sound just makes much more sense with these pads.

 

The soundstage is huge, but the placement and convincing sense of presence (my favorite RS1e qualities) are still as strong as with the original pads.   The treble is indeed better and more Grado-like, very similar to the RS1i.  Very, very nice and immediately enjoyable sound.

 

The level of bass is actually not really reduced at all, but the impact and tightness slightly is.  The midrange is also a little thinner than before.  It's also harder to find a consistent volume that works, since they dynamics seem more extreme.  These sacrifices are nowhere near as big as the gains in the treble, though.

 

I just may keep these headphones now.  It's tough, because the RS1i also sound fantastic to me at this point... I'm wondering why I even wanted to upgrade in the first place (rhetorical statement, it was obviously upgraditis). 

 

Glad you like them with G-cush.  I use G-cush most of the times for my RS1e and I like them more than the GS1000i.

post #2593 of 6654
The way I interpret the Grado e series is one can get better value/performance from the supposed lower models.

One wants the RS2i sound, can pay less and get the SR325e instead.
One wants the RS1i sound, can pay less and get the RS2e instead.
One wants the GS1000i sound, can pay less and get the RS1e + G-cush instead.

I wonder if it is only the GS1000e and PS1000e really getting the new driver upgrades. The other new e models just get the next higher tier old i drivers with red paint.
post #2594 of 6654
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Originally Posted by Nerrel View Post
 

I'm listening to the RS1e with G-cush pads and holy hell is that ever smooth.  It sounds much better than I was expecting, considering that these pads dramatically change the signature and that the headphones weren't voiced for them. 

 

The RS1e absolutely sound better like this, to the point where I have to wonder if Grado is using the same driver between the GS1000e and RS1e (or if my pair happened to be a screw up where the wrong drivers got in).   The sound just makes much more sense with these pads.

 

The soundstage is huge, but the placement and convincing sense of presence (my favorite RS1e qualities) are still as strong as with the original pads.   The treble is indeed better and more Grado-like, very similar to the RS1i.  Very, very nice and immediately enjoyable sound.

 

The level of bass is actually not really reduced at all, but the impact and tightness slightly is.  The midrange is also a little thinner than before.  It's also harder to find a consistent volume that works, since they dynamics seem more extreme.  These sacrifices are nowhere near as big as the gains in the treble, though.

 

I just may keep these headphones now.  It's tough, because the RS1i also sound fantastic to me at this point... I'm wondering why I even wanted to upgrade in the first place (rhetorical statement, it was obviously upgraditis). 

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Originally Posted by pdrm360 View Post
 

 

Glad you like them with G-cush.  I use G-cush most of the times for my RS1e and I like them more than the GS1000i.

 

I recently picked up the RS1e and I concur with the analysis and the use of G-cush pads.  I've been using the SR225 for about 8 years or so and it was time for an upgrade.  I played around with all the cushions for my 225's and agreed that the big g-cush bowls weren't great on that model in terms of sound, but oh man what a difference they make on the RS1e.  You do lose a bit of the mid level attack with the g-cush on teh RS1e, but that isn't necessarily bad when you consider the gains in staging and treble.  Very dynamic, smooth and full sounding.  They don't make the stock L pads obsolete, but I actually prefer the G cush on these for most listening.

 

I'd bet that the updated drivers and their movement closer to the ear are what causes the G-cush to actually now work well with this model, whereas with the RS1 and RS1i, the large cusion moved things too far from the average sized ear.

 

All my testing so far was done with a vintage Marantz 2230 which has a warm, but authoritative presence in the mids and low end.  Sources are vinyl or well mastered CDs (mofi, etc).

 

I do need to get more hours on the RS1e for sure and will also test with my headphone amp that I use with my PC.

post #2595 of 6654
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Originally Posted by RoomTenONine View Post
 

 

I recently picked up the RS1e and I concur with the analysis and the use of G-cush pads.  I've been using the SR225 for about 8 years or so and it was time for an upgrade.  I played around with all the cushions for my 225's and agreed that the big g-cush bowls weren't great on that model in terms of sound, but oh man what a difference they make on the RS1e.  You do lose a bit of the mid level attack with the g-cush on teh RS1e, but that isn't necessarily bad when you consider the gains in staging and treble.  Very dynamic, smooth and full sounding.  They don't make the stock L pads obsolete, but I actually prefer the G cush on these for most listening.

 

I'd bet that the updated drivers and their movement closer to the ear are what causes the G-cush to actually now work well with this model, whereas with the RS1 and RS1i, the large cusion moved things too far from the average sized ear.

 

All my testing so far was done with a vintage Marantz 2230 which has a warm, but authoritative presence in the mids and low end.  Sources are vinyl or well mastered CDs (mofi, etc).

 

I do need to get more hours on the RS1e for sure and will also test with my headphone amp that I use with my PC.

 

You should try "Ear Zonk G-Cush".  They're something between TTVJ Flat Pads and Grado G-Cush, IMO. 

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