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post #226 of 6527
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Originally Posted by joseph69 View Post

I really don't think they should be burned-in by continuously playing 24/7.

I would let them play at low to moderate levels for 2-4 hrs at a time with different genres, then shut them off for a couple of hrs and repeat. You will eventually hear the difference each time you listen to them to determine the burn-in period, it does seem to vary from headphone to headphone. 

 



You are not describing 'break-in.' You are describing normal headphone use.

Are there any research articles or experimental studies people can link me to re: burn in?

I would think that a diaphragm moving constantly for many consecutive hours could very well change the sound characteristics; then again, when I read anecdotal reports about the effects, different people seem to claim completely opposite effects: more treble in some cases, less treble in others.

I don't notice any systematic pattern to these anecdotal claims, which leads me to suspect that it's a placebo effect.
post #227 of 6527
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Originally Posted by ThePianoMan View Post
 

I personally find my SR325is, plenty comfy and I'm totally with jay. Sound is #1. Unless a can is a torture device (and I haven't really encountered any phones that are this way) it's fine by me. I did think it was interesting that in one of the recent promotional videos, the Grado family said that they've grown every single year since they started making headphones, and there seems to be constant stories about their success floating around. They make a good product for sure! 

And I remember Mike Moffat of Schiit in an interview with Tyll saying something I thought was great: "Too many audiophiles nowadays sit around with their $100,000 systems, and you tell the guy 'I heard something in the highs that disturbs me' and its like you burned the guy's house down!' This little combo here (the schiit magni/modi stack) is just meant to be cheap fun. It's just fun, because that's what the hobby is about." or something along those lines. Truer words have seldom been spoken!

 

 

I must admit it took me a while to get the right fit with my 325e. My ears are small enough that the L-cush in my 325e works like an over the ear cup instead of an on-ear.

 

The first time I put them on, they sounded thin and seem to have no bass at all. That's because the cushion is not making a proper seal with my ears.

 

Once I found the correct position that creates the best seal around my ear everything sounded as good as it gets.

 

I tried the S-cush from my SR80i and a G-cush but they don't seem to sound as good as with the L-cush. I guess the 325 is fine tuned and optimized for the L-cush.

 

Also It took a while to adjust with the cushion hugging my ear. It initially feels something is pinching my ear. But after a while it's business as usual.

 

As for SQ, I am amaze how Pearl Jam's album VS sound on 325e. The bass in particular is very solid and hit very hard. Combine that with a very clear, detailed mids and treble and the very PRaT. The sound is so alive which previously sounded a bit dull on my other headphones.

 

Same goes with Red Hot Chili Peppers I just tried.

post #228 of 6527

One more thing, the 325e is ridiculously very easy to drive. I am using the O2 amp and DX90 as the source and at 0dB (1X) gain I can't go past 12 o'clock on the volume pot. Evey music I played rumbles.

 

I switched to a less powerful amp, the Leckerton UHA-6SMKII and hooked it up to my Macbook via optical cable and at low gain the 325e is plenty loud and driven with absolute authority.

post #229 of 6527
yeah grados are easy to drive
post #230 of 6527

I've only got a about 30 minutes of listening but so far I've already noticed a difference between the SR60i and the SR80e. The 60i sounds aggressive and bright compared to the SR80e. The 80e is lively but yet warm almost relaxed with instruments sounding less forceful. I wish I had more time to listen today but it's been a pretty hectic day. Hoping to log in some hours this weekend. 

post #231 of 6527
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Originally Posted by Doorbell View Post

I've only got a about 30 minutes of listening but so far I've already noticed a difference between the SR60i and the SR80e. The 60i sounds aggressive and bright compared to the SR80e. The 80e is lively but yet warm almost relaxed with instruments sounding less forceful. I wish I had more time to listen today but it's been a pretty hectic day. Hoping to log in some hours this weekend. 


 



Really appreciate this review. I am leaning now towards the 80e even though I was more or less set on the 60e.
post #232 of 6527
looking forward to comparing the rs1e to the rs1i (if my buddy lets me hold onto it for long enough wink.gif). wonder if the larger driver will lead to an increase in soundstage? also keen to hear the gs1000e and ps1000e now.
Edited by up late - 6/21/14 at 12:30am
post #233 of 6527
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Originally Posted by joseph69 View Post

Agreed! It could go either way depending on the individual.
Like to hear if you do hear any differences, and how significant they are
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Originally Posted by ESL-1 View Post

Once the announcement was made about the new e series so was the information given that the phones shipping previously with the new smaller box were e's. Given that no one should have gotten stuck with buying new e marked phones when they just got i's in the new box. Could make i marked e's a commodity, the box and the sound would prove authenticity. As for me, if I just bought a phone to then find out it was being replaced with a new model very soon after I would be disappointed. Two trains of thought obviously but my humble opinion likes the approach, eye of the beholder and each of us addicted head fi members will have judge for themselves. You can't please all of the people all of the time. I do know the recepients of those e models in i disguise that I was in touch with were all very happy.

Will let you know what I think when I get the PS500e after having owned a PS500 from when they were first introduced.

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Correction: I followed up with Grado and confirmed that the new smaller box (as opposed to the traditional pizza box) does not necessarily mean the phone is an e series. The one and easy way to determine is the red seen inside the ear cups which would indicate the new models. smily_headphones1.gif
post #234 of 6527

I have never really found my grados uncomfortable, nothing that working with the spring steel headband and washing the pads did not fix.

 

I love the way grado goes about business...they are what they are... a small and not oversized staff that's makes a very simple and practical headphone....they do not do much advertising....they do not ship with fancy packaging.

 

That is just what has worked for them for years.....I think as far as pads go, they have it down great.....many different pads to try that swap out in a matter of seconds....no fumbling around....lol

 

I personally love how they do business and think others could learn a thing or two from them.

 

Just my opinion.

post #235 of 6527
Yeah, all right. Some find it comfortable; some don't. Whatever . . .
post #236 of 6527
When it comes to value for money Grado's have proved themselves to "audiophiles" and music lovers alike. People might entertain differing opinions as to their comfort and design, but I haven't heard or read anywhere that Grado headphones didn't faithfully deliver an honest musical representation.
post #237 of 6527
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Originally Posted by music101 View Post
 
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Originally Posted by joseph69 View Post
 

I really don't think they should be burned-in by continuously playing 24/7.

I would let them play at low to moderate levels for 2-4 hrs at a time with different genres, then shut them off for a couple of hrs and repeat. You will eventually hear the difference each time you listen to them to determine the burn-in period, it does seem to vary from headphone to headphone. 

 



You are not describing 'break-in.' You are describing normal headphone use.

Are there any research articles or experimental studies people can link me to re: burn in?

I would think that a diaphragm moving constantly for many consecutive hours could very well change the sound characteristics; then again, when I read anecdotal reports about the effects, different people seem to claim completely opposite effects: more treble in some cases, less treble in others.

I don't notice any systematic pattern to these anecdotal claims, which leads me to suspect that it's a placebo effect.


burn in is a sticky subject , some believe strongly, some don't at all, and there's real real proof , or studies that i know of(someone correct on this if need be)

as for me, i don't technically "burn in" and usually don't need to, i have bought mostly used gear.

i do know, for me at least the perceived sound can and often does change, as i listen, over time, my hearing does have to adjust, especially when going

from two different types , brands, or models of headphones, but that's my brain and ears working, i do believe they have a technical name for that (psycho-acoustics)

i'm not a scientist , not have any inclination to be one, i don't need, or want to really have a deep understanding of the how's and why's

it very well could be the placebo effect, i come from a mental health background, i can you this about the placebo effect:

if you think it works, it works, i'll take it any day ! lol

post #238 of 6527

Yeah...burn in is a slippery slope for sure....along with aftermarket cables.......tubes.........some believe and some dont

 

is it really the cans burning in or is it your ears adjusting to the sound......does that cable actually sound better...or does it just look cool........does that tube sound any different from that tube.

 

I guess as long as someone thinks it sounds better...that is all that matters.

 

I know what is not placebo....that is eq the sound......I am not above using eq on any headphone, if I like the sound it makes.  :smile:


Edited by whirlwind - 6/21/14 at 4:48am
post #239 of 6527
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Originally Posted by whirlwind View Post
 

Yeah...burn in is a slippery slope for sure....along with aftermarket cables.......tubes.........some believe and some dont

 

is it really the cans burning in or is it your ears adjusting to the sound......does that cable actually sound better...or does it just look cool........does that tube sound any different from that tube.

 

I guess as long as someone thinks it sounds better...that is all that matters.

 

I know what is not placebo....that is eq the sound......I am not above using eq on any headphone, if I like the sound it makes.  :smile:


i listen to a lot of spotify, and i find EQing can be a help there

post #240 of 6527
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Originally Posted by music101 View Post
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by joseph69 View Post
 

I really don't think they should be burned-in by continuously playing 24/7.

I would let them play at low to moderate levels for 2-4 hrs at a time with different genres, then shut them off for a couple of hrs and repeat. You will eventually hear the difference each time you listen to them to determine the burn-in period, it does seem to vary from headphone to headphone. 

 



You are not describing 'break-in.' You are describing normal headphone use.

Are there any research articles or experimental studies people can link me to re: burn in?

I would think that a diaphragm moving constantly for many consecutive hours could very well change the sound characteristics; then again, when I read anecdotal reports about the effects, different people seem to claim completely opposite effects: more treble in some cases, less treble in others.

I don't notice any systematic pattern to these anecdotal claims, which leads me to suspect that it's a placebo effect.

What ever.

Don't make it so complicated…this is how I burn my headphones in, if you think its a placebo effect, then fine. 

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