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Ultrasone pro 2900's or Beyerdynamic DT pro 990's for mixing and mastering hip hop, trap, and edm, My problem is getting clear basses and 808's I need detail!

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what would be better for mixing and mastering hip hop, trap and edm? I can't decide weather to buy thr pro 2900's or the beyer dt pro 990's I'm buying one of them tonight.. please help, if it helps my main problem is that on my monitors low bass's and 808's, don't punch through the mix clearly and in order to hear them hit the way i want i end up getting clipping, I'm tired of trying to compensate!!! please help!

also what kind of amp would i need for either i have an ra-100 for my studio monitors now, idk anything about apps for cans tho... would there be one built into my laptop or do i need to buy one? Some help would be greatly appreciated on this

post #2 of 12

I am assuming your budget is somewhere between 150 and 600 since that seems like the range between the cost of your phones...  Being a concert taper and needing to be in tune to mixing my recordings after the fact I have done a search for the same.....  I currently own a pair of DT990 pro's.  I like them very much however I don't find them to give me a completely true representation of my recording.  It wasn't until after I purchased them that I realized that the DT880 is more linear and better for mixing.    As a recordist I don't want my headphone to inflate any one frequency.  The DT 990 have great bass but I would be concerned it would be a true representation. If your willing to spend a little more I would consider the Audeze LCD-2.  it is incredibly linear but it will set you back 1k. 

 

 

Choosing this headphone you can be assured that your bass will be very accurate.

 

a cheaper headphone of equal quality in terms of mixing I would also consider the Hifiman HE-500.  It will set you back about 600$

 

Now compare the DT990 to the LCD-2 and you will see what I mean:

 

 

While I don't work for headroom I would recommend checking their site out... it is probably one of the most useful sites I have ever seen.... the information and graphs they provide are very informative and make choosing the right headphone for your need a breeze. Also check out Inner Fidelity's website.  You will also find many spec sheets and measurements of headphones there as well.  I wish I would have found them before buying my Beyers....  Don't get me wrong I love my beyers but like I said I wouldn't say they are great for mixing.  I can't speak to the Ultrasone 2900.  I can't find any graphs on those but the Ultrasone I did find.... the buyers are better...

 

Hope this helps.....  Peace  OOK

post #3 of 12
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Yeah I really can only afford about 500 + shipping right now unfortunately. Another question I would ask since you know know your stuff, would there be a huge difference between a closed back and an open backed headphone when trying to get an accurate true mix? I'm planning on possibly building a real home studio in the future but for the moment I'm producing in a make shift non sound proof area since I use all digital tools and samples it's not a problem yet.... I'm just wondering if I'll be hearing the sound from the TV in the living room of my house that always seems to be on due to my roommates with the open backed headphones, but I also don't wanna sacrifice quality....

        

        How important is it to have open backed vs closed backed? considering basses and 808's and punchy kicks seem to be my problem.

 

          Obviously I would like to do as little compensating and eqing as possible after listening on other systems 

post #4 of 12
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I guess another question would be what are your thoughts on used headphones, it seems kinda gross to me but besides that factor would there be a risk of quality loss due to usage over a period of time?

post #5 of 12

Stay as far away as possible from Ultrasone if you want faithful reproduction. They have hyped up treble and bass and a terribly unnatural metallic midrange. Totally worthless with anything with vocals. They only sound good (great) with electronic music IMO. 

DT990 isn't much better I believe, but I haven't heard them. I reckon DT880 would be much better for studio work, since it should be more neutral than the DT990.

Open phones will not give you more detail or more neutral sound than closed headphones. They will only have a bigger soundstage (not necessarily) and sound more airy most of the time. But the lack of isolation makes you miss certain subtle details IMO, unless you blast them loudly.

 

I'd look at the HD25-1 or DT250 if I were you. Way more natural and honest sound with the added benefit of isolation. Look at Beyer's DT150 if you want neutral-ish sound with lots of bass. Those cans have been in production for over 25 years for good reason. They are studio warriors.

post #6 of 12
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Originally Posted by heddycans View Post

1. Another question I would ask since you know know your stuff, would there be a huge difference between a closed back and an open backed headphone when trying to get an accurate true mix?

 

2. I'm planning on possibly building a real home studio in the future but for the moment I'm producing in a make shift non sound proof area since I use all digital tools and samples it's not a problem yet.... I'm just wondering if I'll be hearing the sound from the TV in the living room of my house that always seems to be on due to my roommates with the open backed headphones, but I also don't wanna sacrifice quality....

 

3. How important is it to have open backed vs closed backed? considering basses and 808's and punchy kicks seem to be my problem.

 

4. Obviously I would like to do as little compensating and eqing as possible after listening on other systems 

 

1.  Full-size closed headphones also have a tendency to have bass build up in the cup which may be something you want to avoid since it isn't a true representation of your mix. 

 

2. Yes there will be a difference, obviously in sound isolation for one.  Semi-open or open headphones will let you hear noises from the outside as well as anyone close to you will hear your headphones. However as stated in the post by Aizura semi-open and open headphones will give you a much better soundstage to judge your mix by and it also help to reduce any bass build up.

 

3. I would say it is very important, if the bass section is your major concern.  When mixing if your headphones are tuned to have more bass then it will be difficult to translate that from your headphones to monitors, stereo speakers, car speakers...  You want your phones and monitors to be as linear as possible.

 

4. I hear you but sometimes it can't be avoided.  I learned to mix to my ear taste.  If it sounds good then it is good.  Trust your ears, that's what the lay person does.  Furthermore, if you are clipping your speakers it sounds more like you need a limiter in your editing software somewhere to keep you mix below the clip threshold.  Remember the loudness wars are over its all about dynamics, thank god!!!!  I would rather turn up a volume knob and have dynamics than the music sounding as loud as possible regardless of where the knob is.....

 

 

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Originally Posted by heddycans View Post
 

5. I guess another question would be what are your thoughts on used headphones, it seems kinda gross to me but besides that factor would there be a risk of quality loss due to usage over a period of time?

 

 

5. It isn't a completely bad thing... as long as they weren't abused, which unless you know the person you wouldn't know.  Ear pads can be changed that isn't a big deal.  But you certainly don't want a driver on its last legs and then start pumping Gobs of bass through them.. then kaboomm... you need new anyway....  but on the other hand having a decently used pair of broken in headphones isn't a bad thing either.  If I were to buy used it would be for casual listen, I would buy new for mixing..

 

The unfortunate thing about headphones is the perfect headphone doesn't exist. If it did there would be no headfi no need for choice.  They all have their strengths and weaknesses.  Then add to that everyone hears differently.  It all comes down to a compromise.  So to come to an answer of which headphone to get.....  try to avoid paralysis by analysis....  don't over think it.. ask questions( your doing that), do some research( your doing that) then you will arrive at your answer.

 

Then once you purchase your headphones learn their traits, understand their strengths and weakness, listen to your mixes on various speakers (mixing montiors, home speakers, car speakers and portables).  This will give you a really good idea how things translate. 

 

 

So if your budget is what it is... you will have a dedicated mixing room(close the door), I would go with the beyer DT880, it is more linear than both your choices.  The DT880 has a proven track record and it is the best compromise between everything.....

 

Hope this all helps.... Headphones are so subjective.. so many variable to take into consideration. 

 

Peace   OOK


Edited by Otheronek - 6/8/14 at 8:40am
post #7 of 12
Thread Starter 

Thanks guys you have been a tremendous  help with my search!! I've decided to going with the dt880 250 ohm, I'll defiantly post thoughts once i get them.  I'm hearing that they are going to need an  amp... should i get one? If so any suggestions?

post #8 of 12
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Originally Posted by Aizura View Post
 

Stay as far away as possible from Ultrasone if you want faithful reproduction. They have hyped up treble and bass and a terribly unnatural metallic midrange. Totally worthless with anything with vocals.

 

Have you heard the 2900s?

post #9 of 12
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So never mind I did some research and ended up finding an amp and it's finally official!! I ordered the DT880 pro 250 ohm (was gonna get the premiums but i liked the look of the pro more not to mention the price haha), they are the semi open model and then I ordered the Objective2 for my amp, I got 1 day shipping on my cans cuz the suspense is killing me and then the amp i got regular shipping. I got the cans from amazon and the amp from JDS LABS so I'll let you all know what i think of the headphones in a this week with and with out the amp. I may up date my sound card as well on my computer soon as well tho I have a pretty good one now there's always room for improvement...... End of story is that I spent $364.39 for everything which considering I was expecting to spend $500 I'm pretty ****** happy :) THANKS AGAIN ! 

post #10 of 12
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Originally Posted by viralcow View Post
 

 

Have you heard the 2900s?


Sorry, should've stated which cans I've listened to. My opinion is based on Pro 900 and HFI 580.

Though I've read Pro 2900 is pretty much just an open Pro 900 with shallower pads to bring the mids a bit more forward.

 

Ultrasone isn't too bad, if you exclusively listen to this brand. Once you have other cans laying around, your brain can't adjust to them and realizes it has an artificial sound.

IMO your ears shouldn't have to adjust to appreciate high quality sound. One can get used to living in a wheel chair after some time, but being able to walk is still better.

post #11 of 12
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Holy fjfdskjkfasj these Head Phones are a freakin god send, I don't even have the amp yet, even on low volume I was able to make my mixes sound soooo much better and notice flaws that I never her before... perfect bass from mixing on these then playing through my monitor speakers the music sounds so much fuller and warmer it's amazing thanks for helping me choose these!

post #12 of 12
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Originally Posted by heddycans View Post
 

Holy fjfdskjkfasj these Head Phones are a freakin god send, I don't even have the amp yet, even on low volume I was able to make my mixes sound soooo much better and notice flaws that I never her before... perfect bass from mixing on these then playing through my monitor speakers the music sounds so much fuller and warmer it's amazing thanks for helping me choose these!

 

 

No problem... enjoy!!!!  I see a lot of re-mastering in your future. :dt880smile:

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