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post #16 of 26

deanderson,

 

If you're still looking for info, I can get a guy on here that has owned all the aforementioned earphones. 

 

 

 

 

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Hi all,

 

So I just pulled the trigger on the JVC FX850's after listening to a regular old pair of ipod earphones and finding I liked them even more than my Alpha Dogs and W1000x (weird, right?). However, I've been doing some research on Dita The Answer and Final Audio Designs Heaven VI, which also look like great earphones. I'm a little bit jumpy as the wait for the FX850 is a month and am wondering if anyone has A/B'd these with the Dita or FAD phones. Other comments are welcome also, as I have little to no experience with earphones.

 

So,

 

What are peoples impressions of the FX850's coming from closed back full-sized cans, and how do they match up to the Dita's or FAD's? I listen to mainly electronic and rock (think The Mars Volta or Trentemoller).

 

Anyways, just a newbie looking for some insight.

post #17 of 26

Same interests over the all the aforementioned earphones

post #18 of 26
Thread Starter 

That would be great! I'm still considering the FAD and Dita headphones. I tried the FX850, and while it is quite a good headphone, I've started to look elsewhere.

post #19 of 26
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That would be great! I'm still considering the FAD and Dita headphones. I tried the FX850, and while it is quite a good headphone, I've started to look elsewhere.

 

Well in that case, I own or have heard most everything FAD, and own DITA Truth, after having owned The Answer. Check out the little synopsis in my signature. 

 

Talk to me a little bit about what you want from the earphone. What is more important? Do you like a sparkly, reach-for-the-stars high end? Or something more natural and organic feeling?

 

How do you like your mid bass vs. your sub bass? Do you like your bass more plump and authoritatively fun, or more technical with quick decay?

 

That kind of stuff. No one earphone is obviously better than the other. It's all about what you want to get out of it : )

 

Edit: but I PM'd my friend who will be able to also steer you based on your not-so-enthusiastic response to the 850.


Edited by SoundFreaq - 6/23/14 at 8:34am
post #20 of 26
Thread Starter 

I'll check out your thread and get back to you. I've been trying to discern with the audio lingo what it is I actually want and I'm struggling, but right now I've compared the earsonics sm64, FX850, and Heir Audio 8.a.

 

I find the earsonics to be the clearest and most balanced phone of the three, with the FX850 being the most integrated along all the frequencies (meaning the whole spectrum sounds like it is tuned to give one experience, rather than separating all the frequencies and having certain ones stand out, which the sm64 and 8.a seem to do. The FX850 does sound like it only has one driver (not sure if this is true), while the others do sound like the low, mid, high all have their own driver. I enjoy the integrated sound of one driver but prefer the imaging and separation that multiple drivers offer.

 

The 8.a has far to much bass to me, but I like its organic sound and clear midrange. The highs, on the other hand, take a back seat, which I do not particularly like. I don't like "hot" highs, but I think the sm64 does these nicely - they are clear without being harsh. However, the FX850 I thought had the best highs, in that they remained organic while still being detailed. I'm basically looking for an sm64 with better bass extension, a touch more warmth, and more detail on all levels of the spectrum. (Sorry for the analysis, you may have not heard the heir audio or sm64, but I'm working with my novice lingo prowess here).

 

The bass quantity in the sm64 is about perfect to me, just could use better extension and detail. The midrange of the 8.a is about perfect to me, with its liquid organic tone. And if I remember right, the highs of the FX850 sounded just about right - not subdued or separate from the rest of the frequencies, but well integrated. Let me know if this helps, or if you'd like more info.

 

To answer your questions directly, I'm not sure what is more important. The 8.a is more organic, while the sm64 is more transparent - the FX850 falls somewhere in the middle, but I found at a loss of clarity and imaging. I like my sound to be organic (analog sounding), but also to be incredibly detailed, with no frequency bleeding into the others. I found that while the 8.a is the most organic of the 3, it is at the cost of way too much warmth and an emphasis on bass quantity, which I didn't find natural.

 

As for mid-bass vs. sub-bass, I'm not sure I can distinguish between the two yet (just don't know which is which), but I've read the sm64 has a sub-bass hump, which I find pleasant. I prefer the bass to be transparent, detailed, and only what is called for in the recording, while I find flourishes/elaboration/coloring to be appropriate on the mid and high end of the spectrum. I want the mids to sound organic and liquid, the highs not sharp, but crystalline. (I'm looking into trading my 8.a for a JH16 pro freqphase, which apparently has these characteristics, but I'm open to any suggestions, as I'm new to the sound world).

 

I really appreciate your patience. Let me know what you think...

post #21 of 26

My friend,

 

You are trying to describe the perfect headphone. It doesn't exist. Some come close. 

 

This search you are on, is the one we are all on. My first posts here sounded just like what you've written.

 

I'll marinate on your thoughts, thanks for the write-up, I'll get back to you. While you're fresh and untainted by all this "audiophile" mumbo jumbo, just remember, from here on out, technical perfection does not equal maximum musical enjoyment. Maximum musical enjoyment is why we are all here. And unfortunately, some people lose their way trying to find "the best."

 

Forget the language. Forget the best. The best is what moves you the most emotionally. For me, that does not come in the form of a technical marvel like a Stax SR-009. 

 

But welcome to Head-Fi, sorry about your wallet : )

post #22 of 26
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Let me know what you think...

 

 

deanderson,

 

Sorry for a very slow reply. 

 

Ok, long story short, I think you need to get your ears on a DITA.

 

There are two main types of IEM drivers. A Balanced Armature (BA), and Dynamic Driver. 

 

For what you're wanting, I would go with a dynamic driver to get that low extension you want. The DITA (dynamic) is still highly detailed, with sparkly highs that somehow avoid that fatigue we both don't want, and have a musicality to them that is quite welcome.  

 

The Final Audio Design will definitely be the most organic and natural sounding, but they won't have the bass or treble extension you want. They are a very special headphone, but it's a gamble if it works for you or not. The JH is a giant wad of BA's and crossovers shoved in there. I personally am not a fan. 

 

To be honest, the FX850 is great for what it is, and it will be hard to find a significant jump in quality, anywhere. But I think, based on what I hear from you, the detail of the DITA is excellent, mids are smooth and engaging, the bass packs power while keeping a great texture and refinement. The highs are borderline too hot on occasion for me, as I am sensitive to them too, but you know, I never get worn out on the high end with DITA, like I would an AKG3003. 

 

DITA is a great value as well. 

post #23 of 26
Thread Starter 
SoundFreaq,

Just ordered the answer - will post my impressions when they get here. Thanks for the advice! smily_headphones1.gif
post #24 of 26
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SoundFreaq,

Just ordered the answer - will post my impressions when they get here. Thanks for the advice! smily_headphones1.gif

 

Very nice! Congrats sir!

 

Be forewarned, if there was ever any doubt that drivers can change with burn in, it is The Answer that laid those doubts to rest. It will be a rollercoaster for the first 50 hours. No bass, TONS of bass, just all over the place. So, listen for a while and things get smoother, classier, more refined and elegant sounding as you go along. And the soundstage opens up and breaths in some fresh air. You just don't ever want to stop listening to them :p

 

And if you're totally not in love with them after a bit, hit me up, I might be able to help get them off your hands : )

post #25 of 26
Thread Starter 
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Very nice! Congrats sir!

Be forewarned, if there was ever any doubt that drivers can change with burn in, it is The Answer that laid those doubts to rest. It will be a rollercoaster for the first 50 hours. No bass, TONS of bass, just all over the place. So, listen for a while and things get smoother, classier, more refined and elegant sounding as you go along. And the soundstage opens up and breaths in some fresh air. You just don't ever want to stop listening to them tongue.gif

And if you're totally not in love with them after a bit, hit me up, I might be able to help get them off your hands : )

One more question - I might change my order to the truth. Since you've had both and chose to keep the truth, could you comment on their similarities/differences? Why did you end up preferring the truth?

I've read mixed accounts, so I'm not sure what to believe...
post #26 of 26
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I've read mixed accounts, so I'm not sure what to believe...

Eh, I think the Answer is a better value. The Truth, to me, is mostly just a slight refinement in the highs. The only technical difference is in the cable, and the one on the Answer is more comfortable and easy to work with as it's not so thick. You're subjectively getting at least 95% of the Truth in the Answer. Truth is awesome at its price, making the Answer the deal of the year. If I were you I'd try out the Answer first!

It's a fine piece of gear.
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