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post #16 of 37

I will await Oregonian's comparison before possibly ordering it. The stock seems to disappear all the time on amazon here in europe. 

My concern is the bass and timbre... I loved both aspects on Q40, the bass has just awesome punch and texture and control while still being pretty powerful and it has such a good balance between mid and subbass which is extremely important for hardstyle that I listen to. The timbre again on Q40 is some of the most natural sounding timbre I've yet tried. instruments/vocals etc sounds like they do in real life, not overly sparkly but not muddy/veiled either, a satisfying thickness but not too thick.

For me the bass is more about feeling it than hearing it, therefore I don't like bloated sounding subbass in particular. I want to feel it punching my earchannels but if I can I gladly have it like an invisible sound or very tight and punchy/fast that I just feel so I can focus on the rest of the music more.


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 6/8/14 at 4:43am
post #17 of 37

Q40's timbre is that good?

If you've heard HD5x5/5x8/6x0, SRH840, or RE0, would you say comparable to (one of) them?

post #18 of 37
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Originally Posted by xanlamin View Post

Congrats! What do u think abt the bass? Does it hit as hard as Q40?

 

I haven't tried Q40, but I strongly doubt that HDH50 hits as hard.  It isn't a basshead can to begin with.

 

Any less bass and some of the people who try it will probably complain like they do about K601, K701, etc..  ~20-29 Hz comes out rather soft, too.  This can is more about neutrality and accuracy than being punchy or "fun", I hear few FR peaks or dips when running a sine sweep through it, and more dips than peaks at that.  They're all subtle except for the ~10kHz peak, and even that one is much less than what one would get on DT770, HD25-1, M50, 7509HD, and more.

 

I am also starting to get slightly annoyed with the sensitivity.  It is a bit high, making it difficult to be able to use much of the volume knob's range on each of my desktop amps due to the bit of channel imbalance at the beginning of the pots.  That really only happens with M50 and HD25-1/Amperior, and well, me and my amplifiers.  Other people who need the volume won't have issues getting HDH50 loud enough, and amplifiers with better gain settings for sensitive headphones will more easily achieve lower, usable volumes.

 

HDH50 could almost be a "closed K601" of sorts but with a bit more bass - however, it is not as scrutinizing or as refined.

post #19 of 37
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Originally Posted by Mad Max View Post
 

Q40's timbre is that good?

If you've heard HD5x5/5x8/6x0, SRH840, or RE0, would you say comparable to (one of) them?


TBH I also really liked the timbre of Sennheiser HD598 when demoing it, had much much airier highs being an open can but the highs had the similar softness to it like present in Q40. I hate highs with rough and shrilly character to it.

Should be more specific and say I've not heard a basshead can with better timbre than Q40. :) I'm also looking at graphs and it seems hard to find. The beloved Fostex TH900 for example is more V-shaped with more highs than mids for example compared to Q40.


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 6/8/14 at 7:42pm
post #20 of 37

There's something special about those headphones that I mentioned, FR does not seem relevant as the way they make things sound believable isn't too dependent on it.

But we're probably talking about different things then.  If FR matters to you in that way, you might like HDH50 - again, it's not very bassy, however.

You might even like T90 if you do not mind something open.  The bass will rock your socks with the right amp.

post #21 of 37
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Originally Posted by Mad Max View Post

 

If FR matters to you in that way, you might like HDH50 - again, it's not very bassy, however.

You might even like T90 if you do not mind something open.  The bass will rock your socks with the right amp.


If I try the HDH50 I would likely do the bassmod to it and open some ports inside the cup which should increase the bass a good bit but I'm also very interested in FAD Pandora Hope VI. This one seems to have a very good balance between mids and highs. It's also a bit bass emphasized but not overly much but if HDH50 and those have somewhat similar sound signature I bet the much expensier FAD headphones would probably satisfy me more that every1 raves about for its sound quality being worth twice its cost (over $1000 when costing more like 600-$700).

That FAD Pandora Hope VI even makes people who thought and loved cans like Fostex TH-600 sound nice n balanced see its flaws (lack of mids, too much highs).


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 6/8/14 at 8:35pm
post #22 of 37
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Well after almost a week of back and forth with the Q40, I still prefer the Q40.

The Q40 has better bass and tone to my ears. I've done the bass mod and the Q40 just sounds better.

No fancy descriptions coming, just prefer it.

The new one will be up for sale. Price will be very good and it's worth trying. Someone will prefer it I'm sure. It is more comfy, has way better stock pads and is built much more robust but the sound is king.
post #23 of 37

Still loving HDH50 here.  I picked up another HD380 for a(n unsuccessful) modding experiment, so now I have that one to compare to, which closely competes with HDH50 in sound.  HD380 is quite obviously bassier, not to mention that its bass actually rumbles a good deal, unlike HDH50, but HDH50 gets smoother mids due to its better treble balance.  I still wish it sounded as open in the upper registers as HD380.

HDH50 is also more transparent, close to my DT770pro-250 there.  My other closed backs are more dynamic than the M-Audio, so some could find it a bit boring.

I like HDH50 better as it is basically a bit more "hi-fi" than HD380.

 

Sure it sounds great and the build quality is also very top-notch, but they sure don't punch above their weight as Hawaiibadboy said.  They do have an advantage in isolation, too.  I would say this is definitely one of the best closed-backs at $200 and under, right up there with DT770, SRH840, M50, and HD380,  they all have their advantages and disadvantages over each other and end up more or less closely matched.  Everyone will have a favorite above all from the bunch, and one could easily pick HDH50.  Mine is still DT770, but keeping only one of these gems would be boring, why not all of them?  =p

Okay, maybe just DT770 and HDH50 for now, gotta love their sound, comfort, and war-ready construction, but I'm rediscovering M50 with HM5 pads as it just really ticks a lot of positives for me lately which it did not with stock pads; and HD380, well, I'm a fan of Sennheiser's closed-backs, so why should it go soon?

Damn this hobby, lol.

post #24 of 37

Nice post................

post #25 of 37
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Originally Posted by Mad Max View Post
 

Still loving HDH50 here.  I picked up another HD380 for a(n unsuccessful) modding experiment, so now I have that one to compare to, which closely competes with HDH50 in sound.  HD380 is quite obviously bassier, not to mention that its bass actually rumbles a good deal, unlike HDH50, but HDH50 gets smoother mids due to its better treble balance.  I still wish it sounded as open in the upper registers as HD380.

HDH50 is also more transparent, close to my DT770pro-250 there.  My other closed backs are more dynamic than the M-Audio, so some could find it a bit boring.

I like HDH50 better as it is basically a bit more "hi-fi" than HD380.

 

Sure it sounds great and the build quality is also very top-notch, but they sure don't punch above their weight as Hawaiibadboy said.  They do have an advantage in isolation, too.  I would say this is definitely one of the best closed-backs at $200 and under, right up there with DT770, SRH840, M50, and HD380,  they all have their advantages and disadvantages over each other and end up more or less closely matched.  Everyone will have a favorite above all from the bunch, and one could easily pick HDH50.  Mine is still DT770, but keeping only one of these gems would be boring, why not all of them?  =p

Okay, maybe just DT770 and HDH50 for now, gotta love their sound, comfort, and war-ready construction, but I'm rediscovering M50 with HM5 pads as it just really ticks a lot of positives for me lately which it did not with stock pads; and HD380, well, I'm a fan of Sennheiser's closed-backs, so why should it go soon?

Damn this hobby, lol.


Edited by Hawaiibadboy - 6/24/14 at 8:21pm
post #26 of 37

Oh wow.

 

Some kind of adhesive lined aluminum foil?

post #27 of 37
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Oh wow.

 

Some kind of adhesive lined aluminum foil?

 

Yes it's about 2 times the thickness as regular household foil and is adhesive on the back. It's aluminum tape.

The cheap (only cheap part) on the cans is the plastic cup backing. I foiled that and did my regular mod and these are still studio cans but can hammer bass hits with force if eq'd to do so.

post #28 of 37
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Guys, anyone wanting to try this very good headphone look at my ad...............selling for $100...............:eek:

 

Just too many headphones and trying to clear some out before the wife notices the inventory.

post #29 of 37
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Originally Posted by Oregonian View Post
 

Guys, anyone wanting to try this very good headphone look at my ad...............selling for $100...............:eek:

 

Just too many headphones and trying to clear some out before the wife notices the inventory.

 

Oh God I'm tempted. I've been interested in these since this thread has been started but I'm a bit short...until after this weekend.

post #30 of 37
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Originally Posted by Ishcabible View Post
 

 

Oh God I'm tempted. I've been interested in these since this thread has been started but I'm a bit short...until after this weekend.

 

Well................they're still available..................  :D

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