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Originally Posted by madwolfa View Post


No, it's not hard as long as CD is mastered equally well.

 

 

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but you also have to add in Vinyls's limitations of which noise (many sources) is the most intrusive especially for headphone listening

And vinyl wears out fast enough. Actually it's damage from incorrect tracking forces, worn stylus, dirt or debris, etc. Digital doesn't damage and backs up rather nicely.

post #302 of 366

Records are designed to be played. They don't wear out with a halfway decent turntable. You'll get sick of the record long before it wears out. I have a wind up Victrola that uses a steel needle and a massive tracking force. I played a record 100 times and there was no wear whatsoever. Most damage is from mishandling.

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Records are designed to be played. They don't wear out with a halfway decent turntable. You'll get sick of the record long before it wears out. I have a wind up Victrola that uses a steel needle and a massive tracking force. I played a record 100 times and there was no wear whatsoever. Most damage is from mishandling.

You're bad, next you'll be recommending an ice pick for a stylus. ;)

post #304 of 366

78s are the exact opposite model from LPs. The idea in a Victrola is to have soft nickel silver nails as needles. The record walls wear down the needle, not the other way around. Each needle is intended to play one side, then you replace it. If you keep using the same needle over and over the record walls sharpen it to a point and it starts digging into the groove. But if you replace it after each play with a fresh one, the records last indefinitely.

post #305 of 366

I'd love to own a turntable....just so I can, in front of friends, put on a monocle, light up a tobacco pipe, pour some glasses of scotch, drop the needle...thus declaring, without a word, how better I am than they in all manners relating to music...then they would feel insecure and suffer an existential crisis.

 

I can't seem to achieve this whilst clicking the mouse on my PC, then figuring out why asio isn't working this time, once Ive figured out the devices, they still think the music sounds crap because theres not enough bass...so you crank it up, but then it sounds shrill and lean...so you turn it back down and convince them its not all about volume and bass, but rather imaging and soundstage...and by then, they've lost all interest in high end systems, and I start to feel insecure with the onset of an existential crisis.

 

I get a clear and consice sensation that the audiphile angle doesn't work without a record player.  Hence passing myself off as an audiophile is a big no no...as it always leads to dissappointment.  Much better to tackle the entusiast DJ, sound engineer...professional sound angle....then people understand why have all this weird stuff around me.

 

Home Theatre doesn't suffer this social stigma.

post #306 of 366

The point of turntables is to play music that isn't available on CD. And there is a LOT of it!

post #307 of 366

As always, bigshot, you make a convincing argument.  I was looking at the Technics 1200 last time I was curious.

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My hallway,...

 

post #309 of 366
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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post

I'd love to own a turntable....just so I can, in front of friends, put on a monocle, light up a tobacco pipe, pour some glasses of scotch, drop the needle...thus declaring, without a word, how better I am than they in all manners relating to music...then they would feel insecure and suffer an existential crisis.

I can't seem to achieve this whilst clicking the mouse on my PC, then figuring out why asio isn't working this time, once Ive figured out the devices, they still think the music sounds crap because theres not enough bass...so you crank it up, but then it sounds shrill and lean...so you turn it back down and convince them its not all about volume and bass, but rather imaging and soundstage...and by then, they've lost all interest in high end systems, and I start to feel insecure with the onset of an existential crisis.

I get a clear and consice sensation that the audiphile angle doesn't work without a record player.  Hence passing myself off as an audiophile is a big no no...as it always leads to dissappointment.  Much better to tackle the entusiast DJ, sound engineer...professional sound angle....then people understand why have all this weird stuff around me.

Home Theatre doesn't suffer this social stigma.



No, you will not have time to light up the tobacco pipe. The process is check the windows to see if they are closed so they don't rattle. Turn on the power filter, turn on the amp, turn on the phono preamp. Now wait 30 minutes but while your waiting you can make small talk with the guests about some hiking trip you did when you were young. This is the point of the ritual when your head is bent side ways as your try to read the small print on the side of the record in the rack. This is also done by light reflecting off the thin plastic cover so only part of the label is readable. If you have two copies the remaster can add confusion while your looking for the original which is almost always better but has a few more pops.


Later then, the chose album is then lifted horizontal and tilted so that the album slides out a little. With the other hand the record cleaner is switched on. The album is placed and cleaned. The record cleaner is stopped and the other side is cleaned.

At this point your guests are reading the album jacket and attempting now to entertain themselves with reading and learning. This is a little like the previews before a movie only less noisy.

Next the cover is taken off the phonograph needle. The dust cover was actually already removed before the guests arrived. A small amount of talc-powder is placed on the belts and the speed is checked to be 33.3 rpm and consistent due to line power stabilization and the mass of your platter spinning.

A small amount of cleaner is then placed on the needle brush. This is very close resembling the removal of a forskin as the bottom of the needle is brushed but not bent in the process. Almost all owners hold their breath, some pray.




The power is turned off and record dropped on platter. Next a small brush with enough radiation in it to end your life is now anti staticly changing the electrical charge of record surface environment and cleaning any small pieces of dust. A record clamp is now placed to hinder any slipping and add flattening to the vinyl.


Finally the record player is turned on for playing the record. We are now at the 45 minute mark on the clock but the great thing is long playing records can last 15 minutes on one side.


After a look into the audience eyes to confirm all is ready and to make sure they are paying attention (and not asleep). Thus finally the upcoming entertainment as the needle is slowly lowered onto the vinyl. Next an arm goes over to the preamp to adjust volume and a quick glance goes over to see the woofer movement responding to the vinyl white noise.tongue.gif
Edited by Redcarmoose - 7/8/14 at 12:21am
post #310 of 366
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Originally Posted by bigshot View Post
 

The point of turntables is to play music that isn't available on CD. And there is a LOT of it!

 

At that point then, if you prefer digital, why not convert all your vinyls?

post #311 of 366

Who needs a monocle after all that?

 

Awesome collection bigshot.  You guys are gonna end up talking me into vinyl.

 

If you think tube amps are nonsensical....vinyl is more so...but its what makes the hobby a good one, the nonsensical side, IMHO.

 

Its real frustrating being in a hobby for which one can not...and should not gloat about it.  You expect your mates to drive to your place when they bought a new ride that is better than yours, you expect them to gloat, you also expect that priviledge to be bestowed upon you when you too eventually get a new ride.  And they'll have to suck it up as you gloat, as you did when it was their turn.

 

The tuntable is ingrained in the minds of the general public as the one and only symbolism to positive audio exotica.  Owning one is like owning a Lamborghini.  Owning one permits you into the minds of the general consumer as a legitimate aficionado.  My fat power cables don't work at all, it garners the opposite of the desired response.

 

This is true and I know so....I suffer an existential crisis in the presence of the all knowing vinyl brigade.  Doesnt matter how much I know about this hobby, the moment I'm in the presence of vinyl buffs....I yield all my knowledge to something entirely illogical.

 

On a good note, I just realised my tube integrated only needs new input tubes and not all the tubes.  I dropped one of them once and know which tube it was now...when I swap them around the farting around switches channels...but man can those things crackle, Im pretty sure i would have blown a speaker, yet I havent done so.


Edited by SP Wild - 7/8/14 at 1:11am
post #312 of 366
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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post

As always, bigshot, you make a convincing argument.  I was looking at the Technics 1200 last time I was curious.

I love those, but prices have been inflating lately.
post #313 of 366
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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post
 

Who needs a monocle after all that?

 

Awesome collection bigshot.  You guys are gonna end up talking me into vinyl.

 

If you think tube amps are nonsensical....vinyl is more so...but its what makes the hobby a good one, the nonsensical side, IMHO.

 

Its real frustrating being in a hobby for which one can not...and should not gloat about it.  You expect your mates to drive to your place when they bought a new ride that is better than yours, you expect them to gloat, you also expect that priviledge to be bestowed upon you when you too eventually get a new ride.  And they'll have to suck it up as you gloat, as you did when it was their turn.

 

The tuntable is ingrained in the minds of the general public as the one and only symbolism to positive audio exotica.  Owning one is like owning a Lamborghini.  Owning one permits you into the minds of the general consumer as a legitimate aficionado.  My fat power cables don't work at all, it garners the opposite of the desired response.

 

This is true and I know so....I suffer an existential crisis in the presence of the all knowing vinyl brigade.  Doesnt matter how much I know about this hobby, the moment I'm in the presence of vinyl buffs....I yield all my knowledge to something entirely illogical.

 

On a good note, I just realised my tube integrated only needs new input tubes and not all the tubes.  I dropped one of them once and know which tube it was now...when I swap them around the farting around switches channels...but man can those things crackle, Im pretty sure i would have blown a speaker, yet I havent done so.

Sounds like someone is having a midlife crisis. :D

post #314 of 366
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

Sounds like someone is having a midlife crisis. :D


 So true.  Instead of buying a Ferrari...I just want a turntable...I even suck at mid life crisis.  The good news is, which seems to be some kind of trend with me, is I get it out of the way early, without a single grey hair.  The bad news is...no Ferrari.

 

madolfa, the prices of Technics 1200 was inflating a few years ago....the last time I checked.  Perhaps its a better option to look into the entry level audiophile gear....ooops, theres that dirty word again.  And its a shame it is such a dirty word, because it seems we're all audiophiles here.  Without bias and regardless of my beliefs, it is plain obvious to me, that tube amps and record players are not the reason the term audiphile got so dirty and had much more to do with my fat power cables.

 

Anyway I'd prefer a Technics 1200 more because its associated more with DJs than audiophiles.

post #315 of 366
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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post


 So true.  Instead of buying a Ferrari...I just want a turntable...I even suck at mid life crisis.  The good news is, which seems to be some kind of trend with me, is I get it out of the way early, without a single grey hair.  The bad news is...no Ferrari.

madolfa, the prices of Technics 1200 was inflating a few years ago....the last time I checked.  Perhaps its a better option to look into the entry level audiophile gear....ooops, theres that dirty word again.  And its a shame it is such a dirty word, because it seems we're all audiophiles here.  Without bias and regardless of my beliefs, it is plain obvious to me, that tube amps and record players are not the reason the term audiphile got so dirty and had much more to do with my fat power cables.

Anyway I'd prefer a Technics 1200 more because its associated more with DJs than audiophiles.


Fat cables are the reason audiophools get separated from their money.
Edited by Redcarmoose - 7/8/14 at 6:56am
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