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I wonder, if there are some readily available FB2K equalizer presets for some popular headphones like HD650 to make them completely neutral... That's not what I'm really looking for, but curious. And if not, then how do you start correcting that without having some complex FR measurement tools? I don't believe it's possible using your ears alone.

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Controlled listening tests are all that really matter when it comes to home audio.

What sounds best to the individual listener is all that really should matter when it comes to home audio.

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post #228 of 366
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I'm personally not a big fan of tone controls and EQ. I prefer more pure approach...

Then why do you listen to vinyl?

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post #229 of 366
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Then why do you listen to vinyl?

 

I don't. I only listen to (well made) vinyl rips because generally vinyl masters are much higher quality, than CD (less loud/compressed).

 

I would buy myself a turntable out of nostalgia, though... 


Edited by madwolfa - 6/30/14 at 8:49pm
post #230 of 366
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I don't. I only listen to (well made) vinyl rips because generally vinyl masters are much higher quality, than CD (less loud/compressed).

Even if ripped, it still has to go through the RIAA EQ.

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post #231 of 366
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Even if ripped, it still has to go through the RIAA EQ.

 

I know, that's why CD is a superior media (among other reasons), but poor mastering is giving a ton of bad press.

 

Vinyl rips are "better than nothing" compromise for me.

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What sounds best to the individual listener is all that really should matter when it comes to home audio.

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This single statement can be the difinitive concluding post here. redface.gif
post #233 of 366
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Originally Posted by Redcarmoose View Post

This single statement can be the difinitive concluding post here. redface.gif

 

It would be definitive in a forum thread other than "Sound Science". This one sounds like a better candidate:

 

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If the distortion on both is beneath the threshold of audibility, and the response on both was flat, I don't see what there would be to talk about.

The best tube amps sound as good as solid state.

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It would be definitive in a forum thread other than "Sound Science". This one sounds like a better candidate:

Bigshot has stated he has never heard a good high-end tube headphone amp. Thus we have the over all problem with Head-Fi at the present time.

Edited by Redcarmoose - 6/30/14 at 10:01pm
post #235 of 366
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Well, that's just another subjectivist vs objectivist thing. Two opposing camps of people, never coming into agreement.
Edited by madwolfa - 6/30/14 at 10:03pm
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Well, that's just another subjectivist vs objectivist thing. Two opposing camps of people, never coming into agreement.


I should have worded that differently, as he stated that he had not had the opportunity to hear a high end tube amp. And I myself am in the same boat. I have gone to meets and heard the Beta22 and other high end solid state amps but have not heard as many that even cover 5 % of amps for sale. Still I have heard a couple tube amps that I love. I also always stated this is my posts here. Bigshot believes that the distortion may not in the realm of human hearing being so low in both high end SS and high end tube. I think that there is still a distortion in tubes and I like it.
Edited by Redcarmoose - 6/30/14 at 10:15pm
post #237 of 366
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We still can agree we should be enjoying music more without going too anal about some things.
post #238 of 366
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We still can agree we should be enjoying music more without going too anal about some things.

I believe in what my ears tell me. At the same time frequency graphs and measuring equipment along with scientific conclusions allow the non-scientist to see facts when facts are present.

Even if many of us would admit to preferring a messed up colored and distorted sound signature at least we have science to show us what a flat response and non distorted signal is.
Edited by Redcarmoose - 6/30/14 at 10:31pm
post #239 of 366
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It would be definitive in a forum thread other than "Sound Science". This one sounds like a better candidate:


Seriously though can you show me any science at all in this thread? I don't see anything like my science texts in school. There is not one graph. The link to the one blind test has been removed. All and all it's very close to the BS you hear at a bar.


Mind you I'm maybe the number one poster on this thread.tongue.gif
post #240 of 366
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Well, the inaudibility of distortions below certain level is a scientific fact. This is what this thread was based upon along with some simple logic.
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