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Okay hey guys im about to make my first BIG headphone and amp purchase... right now ive got my eyes on a used pair of he 400s and im planning on buying a nuforce HDP dac/amp for it. Im worried however that the hdp might have too high of an impedance level for the (i think) 32 ohm he 400's.. This supposedly causes a dampening effect as i am told.. However i also am told that there is no dampening effect with ortho headphones? is this true? can someone please help to shed some light on the situation?  

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Oh and hey this is kinda a time sensitive thread here... LIke 1 or 2 days max lol

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Okay hey guys im about to make my first BIG headphone and amp purchase... right now ive got my eyes on a used pair of he 400s and im planning on buying a nuforce HDP dac/amp for it. Im worried however that the hdp might have too high of an impedance level for the (i think) 32 ohm he 400's.. This supposedly causes a dampening effect as i am told.. However i also am told that there is no dampening effect with ortho headphones? is this true? can someone please help to shed some light on the situation?  

 

 

Yes it's kind of an issue, super unlikely to be audible.  If you are worried about measurements buy an amp desgined by measurements :P. 

 

http://www.jdslabs.com/products/48/o2-odac-combo/

 

If you don't already know the story behind this amp, google it.  The objective amp/dac does not have the impedance issue or any issue for that matter. It also sounds GREAT IMO with my HE-500s.  

 

If you have your heart set on the nuforce, I personally do not believe it will be an issue objectively.  How ever best advice any one can give you is go hear it for yourself. 

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"How ever best advice any one can give you is go hear it for yourself. " unfortunately thats not an option for me :/.. and the $280 price tag of the ODAC is a bit out of my budget at the moment..  how would a schitt modi/magni stack compare?

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"How ever best advice any one can give you is go hear it for yourself. " unfortunately thats not an option for me :/.. and the $280 price tag of the ODAC is a bit out of my budget at the moment..  how would a schitt modi/magni stack compare?

I haven't actually got to try any schiit audio products, people around here like them alot.  Don't putt too much money into the amp/dac, the headphones are the MOST important part by far they are 99% of the puzzle. The difference between your schiit audio stuff and the $5000 top of the line stuff is TINY compared to the difference between headphones. 

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Hmm... Interesting :) i was under the impression that your source/amplification was much more important than the headphones.... Well which do u recommend more? My dt 990's with the HDP.. or selling the dt's and just powering the he400's with just my fiio e11 for the time being?

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Hmm... Interesting :) i was under the impression that your source/amplification was much more important than the headphones.... Well which do u recommend more? My dt 990's with the HDP.. or selling the dt's and just powering the he400's with just my fiio e11 for the time being?

No amps are the least important, in fact it can be argued that objectively there is no difference between amps unless they are driven to clip.   Like I said you should google the story of the objective 02 amp.  

 

The idea behind an amp is to NOT have a sound, aka just make the signal stronger, if you hear deltas between amps that means they are NOT doing there job. Before that signal hits your speakers it's NOT a sound it's just an electrical singnal it does not have a "sound".   

 

I would recomend selling the DT's skip buying the amp and see if you can afford the HE-500s, MORE BASS! :D 


Edited by Super MANSKITO - 6/1/14 at 9:27am
post #8 of 15

use a schist Vali with HE 400, sounds great.  Soundstream DAC

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Thanks for your recommendation but i have ZERO experience with tube amps.. Like i dont even know what tube rolling is or anything.. i rather stick to a solid state that i dont have to mess with :)

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No amps are the least important, in fact it can be argued that objectively there is no difference between amps unless they are driven to clip.   Like I said you should google the story of the objective 02 amp.  

 

The idea behind an amp is to NOT have a sound, aka just make the signal stronger, if you hear deltas between amps that means they are NOT doing there job. Before that signal hits your speakers it's NOT a sound it's just an electrical singnal it does not have a "sound".   

 

I would recomend selling the DT's skip buying the amp and see if you can afford the HE-500s, MORE BASS! :D 

Haha i like BASS lol just traded my m50's for some ATH pro700mk2s..  haha and okay maybe i will go that route.... hopefully the price of the he 500's drop once the he400i and 500i or whatever comes out in a few months :)

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The tube in a Vali is soldered onto board, it is not changeable and is long lasting, so don't let that color the idea.  Tubes are warmer at lower prices, in essence.  Only issue is brief warm up time for tubes- usually less than a second.  And I have had several tube preamps years ago, never changed a tube once.  Most of the stuff you read about tubes is BS for people who want to seem more informed than they are.  This is as basic as SS.

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Oh really? Hmm ok.. I always thought tube amps were for those people who are great with modifying stuff and wanted to change the amp to their liking.. Okay theres another option... Well lets see what kind of price i can get on the hdp and then go from there
post #13 of 15

Just remember, you still need a DAC if you want to stream and convert the music, you can plug into the computer or whatever via the earphone plug but then do not have maximal clean sound, if that is the need.  Now another thing to consider would be a higher end portable amp if you are just plugging into a phone of some sort- I use the BeyerDynamic and FiiO which are nice and not too expensive.  The Beyer is nice in that it has a DA converter in it and can bypass the phone DA conversion, which is usually a bit poorer.  And if you are using nice phones like the HE 400 and up, why not have good source sound?  If you want solid state, look at NuForce, the Icon2 can be had for cheap on eBay and it has DA conversion, headphone amp and a 24X2 amp for desktop speakers to boot!

post #14 of 15
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Yea i already have w fiio e11 for my phone.. But i have a droid so i dont have a direct line out... I like having a dac and amp in one.. Thts why i like the hdp... But ive heard awful things about the udac2 so i think i want to avoid tht one
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Anyone wanna guess tge price? wink.gif
Edited by zanderwebb - 6/21/14 at 6:56am
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