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post #1 of 11
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I started a new thread on this because there are about 3-4 key components and most other threads are not taking the whole picture into consideration when putting together a great setup. I am looking for the ultimate sound quality and ability to be portable and stationary, isolate outside noise and get the best possible sound from this setup. So pretty much a very good setup for just about everything....nice right. I listen to classical like Max Richter to hard rock to sheesh even some Lady Gaga if I have to admit it (some songs are fantastic...c'mon lol) to Pink Floyd/Zepplin/ZZTop/Metallica/Godsmack to The Fixx/RUSH to free and easy like Lovesipirals to Spiro Gyra..... as well as movies/HD, gaming.. so there's a nice rainbow - I'm a fan of clarity, crisp highs, deep lows and well balanced mids

My Current Setup
I currently have the UE10Pro's with my iPhone 5. I just recently really spent a ton of $ and got an endgame cable (Double Helix Symbiote Pure Silver 4 litz 8 braid cable with Rhodium plug / comes with remote mic) and of course I cannot post the image because of this site's ridiculous account priveleges... but this cable should last near a lifetime minus possibly replacing a plug or something later...

Anyway, let me continue with my setup:
Additionally, I am using iOS/iPhone 5 as I mentioned but also using the Denon Audio app which I find really tight as I can adjust each song any way I want Makes the UE10Pro's really show the highs and I can adjust the mids and lows for each song if I want...some of you probably know this app as there are a bunch but this one is very good in my honest opinion because of the control and layout. Only drawback with the app is that it will only play tunes you downloaded directly like from iTunes. But aside from that I'm impressed.

Now I have NOT received the end game Symbiote cable yet...still have standard UE10Pro IEM cable that was stock. Got the UE10Pro's several years ago and man they still crank. Love em. Had some nice input from Peter Bradstock of Double Helix on impedance, conductance and properties related to how noise is reduced etc...

As far as volume goes, that's why I'd like your input on recommendations on a possible DAC (looking at AK10 from Astell & Kern) as my volume on the iPhone 5 is between 70% for normal listening to 95% depending upon the genre of music. So I'm thinking a DAC might make this even better and possibly provide the ability to add volume or make the quality a bit more robust at lower volume levels. My dilemma is how much of a difference will one of these make since I will have to carry it around. Also is the Denon app good enough already with the iPhone 5's current amp/DAC?

So 4 Questions:

1. What are your thoughts on my current setup?
2. What are your recommendations for the ultimate sound quality for portable and in-home listening with the UE10Pro's (Or even recommend an all over ear headphone for home like HD800)
3. Is the Denon app good enough to filter and provide enough quality to current iPhone5?
4. Regarding Lossless Quality audio files... Would switching to a different portable audio player like A&K make a monster difference?

Thank you and I appreciate everyone's input here. I will admit I am a newb in audio but so far think I have done a pretty decent job just want to get some professional clarity.

Best,

Tom
post #2 of 11
Thread Starter 
Wonderful.... I typed all that up and not one reply... Great forum
post #3 of 11

Should have saved some $ by not buying that DHC cable. With that you could have upgraded your phones.

 

Also, you should really stop whining.

post #4 of 11
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Should have saved some $ by not buying that DHC cable. With that you could have upgraded your phones.

Also, you should really stop whining.

Real nice advice...thanks for that
post #5 of 11
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Real nice advice...thanks for that

So, cables really yield very little gain. You should have upgraded that last in your chain -- when you were pretty sure you were done.

I'm not a big IEM-type of listener, so perhaps other's will eventually chime in with suggestions, maybe. 

post #6 of 11
Thread Starter 
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/gadgets/audio-music/are-premium-audio-cables-worth-the-investment1.htm

Great article explaining quality of cables in plain terms. My goal is to upgrade my phones later as mine are custom molded. Once the cable makes a difference paired with what advice I was hoping to get her on DACs, I should be in a great position to use that then make a great phone upgrade later. I believe I have a very nice in ear monitor still. So if anyone can help answer my 4 questions above great if not then fine...
post #7 of 11
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Originally Posted by TBonez View Post

http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/gadgets/audio-music/are-premium-audio-cables-worth-the-investment1.htm

Great article explaining quality of cables in plain terms. My goal is to upgrade my phones later as mine are custom molded. Once the cable makes a difference paired with what advice I was hoping to get her on DACs, I should be in a great position to use that then make a great phone upgrade later. I believe I have a very nice in ear monitor still. So if anyone can help answer my 4 questions above great if not then fine...

Hi, I just read this article.  This article reaks of author not explaining, but just basically citing others.  This means the auther is not an expert.  He lost all credability when he cited Steve Guttenberg.  :biggrin:

 

The author emphasizes conductivity of materials.  Conductivity is inverse or resistivity which per length is resistance which hardly matters as the source's output impedance and the headphones have significantly higher impedances in magnitude sizes greater.  Also the author mentioned speaker cables as the speaker impedances are much lower than headphone impedances being low as 4ohms to avg of 8.  Headphones is low as 16, and high as 600, and avged to be 32.  

 

I suggest you read up on resistivity of materials, and some equations and awg, and what awg the cables usually are and find out what the resistance of the cable is and the output impedance of the source and the headphones and see if it's significant.

post #8 of 11
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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post

Hi, I just read this article.  This article reaks of author not explaining, but just basically citing others.  This means the auther is not an expert.  He lost all credability when he cited Steve Guttenberg.  biggrin.gif

The author emphasizes conductivity of materials.  Conductivity is inverse or resistivity which per length is resistance which hardly matters as the source's output impedance and the headphones have significantly higher impedances in magnitude sizes greater.  Also the author mentioned speaker cables as the speaker impedances are much lower than headphone impedances being low as 4ohms to avg of 8.  Headphones is low as 16, and high as 600, and avged to be 32.  

I suggest you read up on resistivity of materials, and some equations and awg, and what awg the cables usually are and find out what the resistance of the cable is and the output impedance of the source and the headphones and see if it's significant.

Absolutely will do, and you seem very knowledgable and I appreciate the advice. However my main goal was to get one of the best cables so eventually I could base upgrade quality on the phones and amp... Here is the cable I will be getting http://www.doublehelixcables.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=125

Overkill? Maybe... But an end game cable that will provide maximum signal to my phones... Possibly better than most in any case... Which is my goal. Make sense?
post #9 of 11
Thread Starter 

Great article between the UE10 Pro and UE11 Pro in discussing the difference between a dynamic transducer IEM and a BA IEM... http://www.head-fi.org/t/425108/ultimate-ears-ue4-pro-review-well-a-mini-review-anyway-the-poor-mans-ue10-pro 

post #10 of 11
Thread Starter 

I love replying to my own threads lol... 

post #11 of 11
There is a help and recommendations forum. You might get responses if you put your thread in the right place. Also, most people are probably biting their tongues at someone getting an "end-game" cable to build the rest of their setup around. That's like building a car around its tyres. It's hard to take someone who does that seriously.

But here, I'll answer the questions.

1. Your current set-up could do with a better DAP or DAC, as you noticed.
2. My recommendation is to not be concerned about "ultimate" set-ups. There's no such thing, it gets to points of preference and quite frankly it's hard to recommend anything without knowing what your sound sig and genre preferences are. The audio world is always changing and evolving so the "ultimate" set-up is nothing but a moving goalpost.
3. Denon app what? I have no idea what you're referring to, but I can assure you it's not going to magically turn your iPhone into an high-end DAP.
4. That's up to you to decide. Chances are, yes, it will be a monster difference, but whether or not you'll be able to hear those differences is another thing. It's certainly going to be more of a difference than your cable could or would ever make.
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