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Review: BEYERDYNAMIC T1 VS HE-500!!!! From the prespective of a metal head college student.

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Whats up HEAD-FI!!!!!!!

 

I don't post much but I figured I could contribute to the community with a second review now that I have two high end headphones and I compare them directly.     

 

My ogrinal review of the HE-500 is linked below. 

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/604938/he-500-and-moon-audio-review#post_8295428

 

So to start off price $699.99 for the HE-500s and $849.96.

 

Holy sch1T!!!!!!!!!!!!! that hurts typeing those numbers.   Price is porblay the most important thing to consider when people shop for anything, and when it comes to that both headphones come with price tags that will hurt your very soul. With that said my situation has changed from my last review, I still am a college student and I have to come up with ~$5000 twice a year to continue finishing my degree at the university of south carolina, however I now have a much better job. I currently am employed at AT&T and last year I made ~$32,000 up from the ~$15,000 I made when I bought the HE-500s so money is less of a problem then it used to be. The only reason I metion this is so you guys can take what I say about price into prespective. IMHO a huge chunk of the audiophiles who do reviews lose track of just how much money the average person has.  They often will say things like brand x $250 amplifier is cheap or entery level or a bargin etc....  So with that said the headphones in question are super ultra mega ridiculously painfully expenseive in an offensive to poor people kind of way. 

 

Are they worth the money? Espically when you cosinder where I am in life and how much money I have to spend?  The short answer is, yes. 

 

So the next logical question for any one that is considering buying one of theese two heaphones is which one is better?  

 

Comfort, T1 wins hands down. Not only is is significantly more comfortable because its so much lighter you can head bang with out the fear of the headphones flying off. \m/!!!

 

Tonality, the HE-500s overall have an edge here I believe, they do bass better the beyerdynamics.  If you are a bass head or you like kick drum slam the HE-500s are the ones to get. The mids and highs are different but neither one is clearly better then the other. It will most certianly come down to which kind of music you like the most.  For example I will say that grandpa guitars or vocals the T1s have a magic to them that will put a smile on your face. However electric guitars have more attack and sharpness on the HE-500s to my ears.  For rock music or metal I would say that the HE-500 are voiced better, for acoustic style music I think the T1s have an edge. 

 

Sound stage, The T1 wins by a land slide. If this matters to you buy the T1s, I can compare theese headphones to HD-650s, HE-500s and grado SR-325is.  The T1s make stuff sound correcly sized and spaced its as close to listening to speakers as I have heard.  The sound stage is so good that not only can you hear where instraments are in relation to one another, but also on some recordings that have this information perserved you can actually tell the size and shape of the room the music was recorded in. This information does not come through at all on the HE-500s. 

 

Speed/detail, the HE-500s win. Not much to say here they are faster.  The beyerdynamics are faster then say my old HD-650s I don't want to give the impression that they are slow, you won't lose out on detial retrival on the T1s but the HE-500 are faster and more detailed. 

 

Value, Not really sure while the HE-500s are cheaper they are far less comfortable and and have a horriblely desgined cable, it has broken serval times.

 

So which one is better?!?!?

 

The only answer I can give is it depends, The biggest difference you will hear between the two headphones are the sound stage and the bass.  With that said I can say that neither one is perfect, If they ever made a headphone that has the bass and resolution/speed of the HE-500s and the sound stage of the T1s that would be the perfect headphone.  Alas I can only dream...


Edited by Super MANSKITO - 5/24/14 at 9:51pm
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P.S.

 

Its worth mentioning that the box that came with the T1s is much nicer. 

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A nice review to read, which I agree with mostly. However, are you sure that the HE-500 has more detail than the T1? From what I remember, T1 are quite the detail extractors and would fare better than the HE-500s. They certainly beat my HE-400 in terms of detail retrieval although the difference was not as great as I expected.

 

Regarding which is better, yeah, it's simply down to what sound signature you prefer. I personally prefer the more transparent, engaging and euphoric sound that the planars achieve although I really do admire the technical aspects of the T1 i.e. soundstage, imaging, detail retrieval etc.

 

Oh, and your dream headphone may be a HE-6/HE-560 fyi ;)


Edited by jay567 - 5/25/14 at 8:29am
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Nice review what are you using upstream of your phones amp and dac wise?

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i have had the HE-6 and the still have the T1.  Not sure how you are getting more detail out of the HE's at all.  The T1 is the detail king of the castle.

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Originally Posted by JamieMcC View Post
 

Nice review what are you using upstream of your phones amp and dac wise?

some "budget" stuff I have a maverick audio amp/dac and an objective 02 amp.   If you have recomendations I m open too them.  I m actually thinking that the T1s are the cans for me as time passes.  I use them every day for atleast 4 hours a day so comfort is a big deal.  With that in mind if you know any amps or dacs I should try out I m game.  I m thinking about trying the objective 02 DAC.  But i have not made up my mind, I know I m going to sell my HE-500s so I will have some extra money to buy an amp or dac. 


Edited by Super MANSKITO - 5/25/14 at 4:23pm
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Originally Posted by groovyd View Post
 

i have had the HE-6 and the still have the T1.  Not sure how you are getting more detail out of the HE's at all.  The T1 is the detail king of the castle.

well I generalized alot in this review to keep it short.  Specifically for heavey metal and death metal the HE-500s greater speed helped them not get lost on crazy things like double or quad kick drumbs with super distorted guitars.  So to me it sounded more detailed, however you are right when it comes to actual instraments like a piano for example they sounded more correct and detailed on the t1s 

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Originally Posted by jay567 View Post
 

A nice review to read, which I agree with mostly. However, are you sure that the HE-500 has more detail than the T1? From what I remember, T1 are quite the detail extractors and would fare better than the HE-500s. They certainly beat my HE-400 in terms of detail retrieval although the difference was not as great as I expected.

 

Regarding which is better, yeah, it's simply down to what sound signature you prefer. I personally prefer the more transparent, engaging and euphoric sound that the planars achieve although I really do admire the technical aspects of the T1 i.e. soundstage, imaging, detail retrieval etc.

 

Oh, and your dream headphone may be a HE-6/HE-560 fyi ;)

Same reasoning as I posted above 

post #9 of 10

Nice succinct review. Trying to decide if I want the T1's or not. The detail is what I am after so T1's with their recent price drop might be a good deal for me.

 

btw...

How the ***** are you in college and have a full time job at AT&T?

 

damn audiophiles with an income... I'm literally spending 3 months pay if I decide to get a T1

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Originally Posted by lukem5 View Post
 

Nice succinct review. Trying to decide if I want the T1's or not. The detail is what I am after so T1's with their recent price drop might be a good deal for me.

 

btw...

How the ***** are you in college and have a full time job at AT&T?

 

damn audiophiles with an income... I'm literally spending 3 months pay if I decide to get a T1

well its technichly part time. I work 32 hours a week, but I get to set them.  It's not easy but I have to pay for the paper that the school is holding hostage for an unreasonably large sum of money some how.  My weekends and nights are never free.....   Any ways I would highly recomend making the drive to hear the cans I don't know where you live but I have made several LONG drives to hear some headphones.  Don't just buy them blind trust me.  When spending that kind of money,

 

1st, read every review on the internet

2nd, go HEAR the cans, bring music YOU LIKE

3rd, think about it over night after you have heard the cans

4th, buy them off amazon forget trying to support some one business or getting them same day get them for the cheapest price, your wallet will thank you. 

5th, pay for 2 day or next day shipping the wait will kill you when you buy! :D!

6th, keep them for a week before you decied to keep them or return them.   You will go though stages when you spend that kind of money, you have buyers regret, elation, etc.... let your emoutions have time to pass and then make a logical desision if you are going to keep them long term. 

 

Finally keep in mind (no one ever talks about this)  that you will have maintenance cost.  EVEN UNDER warranty period!!!!  You will have to pay for shipping to get the heaphones re cabled or replace a driver unit if you blow one out. etc...  The first is way more likly then the second.   the headphone drivers as far as i know last for years and years.    

 

Bottom line now that I make 32k a year i SUPER feel they are worth the money, and back when I made less then $15K a year ( thats on $8 an hour for reference) I still would have felt they are worth it. 

 

So in work hours I m saying they are worth IMO at least 116 hours at a ****y job at radio shack.  If you bought them for $849 and where paid ~8 an hour.

 

P.S.  You will NEED an amp to get them to sound good, I tested them streight out of my PC and my phone they do make sound but they DO NOT get lound enough.   I can recomend the objective 02. Also I dont know what cans you have now but I did the whole upgrade path thing, HD-555s, to HD-650s to HE-500s to T1s, don't do it that way, go hear the cans find the one that you know you can be happy with for a long time (I think that will be the T1s ;) ) and spend the money and cry once.  If you do the upgrade dance even if you sell your old gear you will spend alot more total $$$. 

 

This is an email reply from beyerdynamics repair center for the cost of repair.  I contacted them so I could know what the maintenance cost would be in the future. 

 

Hi Mike,

 

Thank you for contacting us about the T1 headphones.

 

They come with a 2-year warranty if purchased from an authorized Beyerdynamic dealer.

 

Out of warranty the cost to replace the cable is @ 100.00 plus return S&H.

 

Driver replacement is @ 300 each side so definitely handle them with care.

 

We usually can complete repairs within 24 hours of arrival at our service facility.

 

Best regards,

 

Peter A Castelli

The Sound Surgeon, Inc

Beyerdynamic USA Factory Service & Parts

 


Edited by Super MANSKITO - 5/27/14 at 3:11pm
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