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post #76 of 1484
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Originally Posted by Spyro View Post
 

 

I know W4 owners do NOT want to hear it but W40 was a really nice upgrade to W4.  Take the best traits of TF10 and SE535 and you have W40.

 

How is the W40 an upgrade?

 

I was under the impression they were exactly the same, except for cosmetic/cable changes.

post #77 of 1484
Thread Starter 
Just chiming in...

I had the 4R and breifly auditioned the W40. I did hear improvements upon audition. I have no idea if it is the enclosure, crossover or whatever but it was what I would estimate as a 15% improvement. Neither hold a candle to the W60 or 846 but if I was back in that segment again, it might be a tougher choice beteween the 535 LTD japan and the W40.

YMMV.
post #78 of 1484
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Originally Posted by Mormonsloot View Post
 

 

How is the W40 an upgrade?

 

I was under the impression they were exactly the same, except for cosmetic/cable changes.

Not sure why it is a big secret but there is quite a bit more bass.  It's immediately noticeable.  And the soundstage is a little smaller....more intimate.  Those are the only 2 changes I hear.  Everything else is same as W4.  Westone listened.  May loved the W4 but thought it should be a little bassier and that is exactly what W40 is.

post #79 of 1484
Remembering my W4, the W40's treble is about the same, and bass is a welcome improvement, but maybe because of the bass I'm not mesmerized by the vocals as much.
post #80 of 1484

Posted this in another forum without getting a response, so am trying again here:

 

Recently aquired westone W60's and supplier included Fiio RC-SE1 cables which I find provide much better SQ than stock cables. My question: would pure silver cables offer even more SQ improvement, keeping in mind my ears have more than 70 years of mileage and undoubtedly cannot appreciate high's beyond 15K.

post #81 of 1484

I've never been the one who believes in cables, I had some silver cables for my LCD-2 before but didn't think they were worth what they cost. I bought some ALO SXC 24 silver cables to take advantage of the balanced out of my AK240; they are super microphonics, inflexible as hell and the connectors are too big to fit any of the new Westone's IEMs, so I've only been using them with just my SE846; didn't really make much of a difference in terms of SQ. I was recommended these Labkable Takumi MMCX cables, supposed to be a mixture of gold, silver, copper and had Hyper Quantum Treatment Blah blab blah. They were bloody expensive too but they do look and feel very nice and fitted my W60 very well physically. I was really not expecting much from them but they do make the W60 sound truly amazing, made the already nice sounding trebles as smooth as silk. I must admit thought that I'm not sure if it was just the balanced out of the AK240 making them sound amazing or the cables themselves as I don't have anything else I could compare them with. Maybe I'll re-terminate my stock Westone cables into balanced to make a comparison one day. At the meantime, if you do come across them, check them out and see what you think.

 

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Originally Posted by lofiears View Post
 

Posted this in another forum without getting a response, so am trying again here:

 

Recently aquired westone W60's and supplier included Fiio RC-SE1 cables which I find provide much better SQ than stock cables. My question: would pure silver cables offer even more SQ improvement, keeping in mind my ears have more than 70 years of mileage and undoubtedly cannot appreciate high's beyond 15K.

post #82 of 1484
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Originally Posted by Danz03 View Post
 

Thanks for your cable recommendation. A very quick google search didn't turn up any sources except the maker, but I will keep looking.

post #83 of 1484
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Originally Posted by lofiears View Post

Thanks for your cable recommendation. A very quick google search didn't turn up any sources except the maker, but I will keep looking.

Let me recommend, Ted Allen at Headphone Lounge. His OCC silver and silver litz cables are flexible and easy wear. As for the sound OCC silver brings a clarity and dynamics to the sound that is excellent. His website is Headphonelounge.com and he is patient, easy to deal with and reasonably priced.
post #84 of 1484
Thread Starter 
I agree on Ted's cables. I currently have the silver and silver litz cables for my W60. I am probably going to get a silver copper litz or pure copper litz for the W60. I am thinking that copper litz could be a better fit. Specifically, the one are I would nitpick on the W60 was a dryer midrange. I am thinking that copper would warm this up a hair which might be a good thing. I am very busy for next week or so but will likely order and report back after that.
post #85 of 1484
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I agree on Ted's cables. I currently have the silver and silver litz cables for my W60. I am probably going to get a silver copper litz or pure copper litz for the W60. I am thinking that copper litz could be a better fit. Specifically, the one are I would nitpick on the W60 was a dryer midrange. I am thinking that copper would warm this up a hair which might be a good thing. I am very busy for next week or so but will likely order and report back after that.

Help me out here...what is the difference between litz and non-litz? With your W60's, please describe what differences you can make out between your silver and silver litz cables.

post #86 of 1484
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Litz_wire

Both on balanced RSA Intruder amp. Silver litz opens up soundstage and clarity another 5% over regular silver. That being said, I am eager to try the copper litz on these. It may suit my tastes better for this IEM. On my SE846, I prefer the silver litz.
post #87 of 1484
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Originally Posted by M Coupe View Post

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Litz_wire

Both on balanced RSA Intruder amp. Silver litz opens up soundstage and clarity another 5% over regular silver. That being said, I am eager to try the copper litz on these. It may suit my tastes better for this IEM. On my SE846, I prefer the silver litz.

Thanks for the link...interesting! Looking forward to your thoughts on the copper/silver copper litz with your W60, especially as compared to your silver/silver litz cables. Will you be selling your rejects smily_headphones1.gif
post #88 of 1484

I didn't realize that there are no info in English for these cables, sorry.

 

http://labkable.com/products/Labkable-Master-Series-%252d-TAKUMI-IEM-Audio-Cable.html

 

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Originally Posted by lofiears View Post
 

Thanks for your cable recommendation. A very quick google search didn't turn up any sources except the maker, but I will keep looking.

post #89 of 1484
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Originally Posted by spook76 View Post


Good friend (I have to say this as he loaned me his W60) and fellow HeadFier MCoupe is after me to write a review and since you asked as well, I guess it is time to post my thoughts.

I will begin my review by saying I concur with MCoupe's far more detailed review on page 1 of this thread. I use the word concur because I agree in parts and dissent in others. The quick answer is the naysayers are wrong about the W60. Sound wise it is an accomplished and polished IEM superior to either the W4 or the SE535. Having spent months listening to the 846, my initial reaction to the W60 was far more negative than this review. It took a day for me to really appreciate what Westone was hoping to achieve with the W60s.

As for the direct comparison to the SE846, the treble extends materially further but on a some tracks it was either sibilant (male vocals only) or too hot (the cymbal's shimmer became sizzling). Further, because of the sizzle I found the W60 more fatiguing than the 846 in extended listening sessions. Those criticisms aside, the treble is better on the W60s than the 846s with corresponding greater detail but a bit less coherent.

As for the bass and mids I would concur with my colleague MCoupe's review as well as his bias towards the Shure house sound. The 846 edges the W60 but it is not night and day, especially with the mids it is more a matter of taste and the music you listen to most ofter. Although again agreeing with MCoupe, I found the mids on the W60 a bit dryer than the smoother 846. Also, and this may be my deciding factor sonically, the 846 is more dynamic and musical than the more "reference" W60 and that I believe is the low pass bass driven 846 making it so.

As for the soundstage it is wider on the W60 than the 846 but slightly shallower as the bass just does not extend as deep as the 846.

As for build quality, unfortunately here the 846 is far and away better than the W60. The build quality on the W60 is a disgrace for a $1,000 product. It feels like a piece of cheap plastic and low and behold it is a cheap piece of plastic. Contrast that with the superb, precision engineered 846 and the W60 falls very short.

As for the fit, the W60 is more finicky than a cat in finding the best tips to maximize the bass and soundstage. If not for MCoupe's guidance, I would still be tip rolling to find the right combination to maximize the sound. I had to abandon my blue Star Tips (silicone) and use black True Fit (foam) as a shallow insertion depth is best for the W60s. With the 846, I never found much difference from one tip to another assuming I had a good bass seal.

It is too bad that Westone's marketing (read MCoupe's review) and build quality masks what is otherwise an worthy successor and upgrade to the W4. I feel more strongly than MCoupe in preferring the SE846 to the W60, but I understand his points and I think our divergence is more a function of our musical tastes (MCoupe prefers female vocalists and more acoustical music to my progressive rock preference with male vocalists) than anything else.

 

Spook,   Sent back by SE846's in exchange for W60's.  Should have this weekend.  I look forward to sharing my thoughts on it.

I will disagree about this whole issue of build quality  UNLESS the person is careless and wreckless.

The problem with building an IEM like a tank is that it is too heavy, cumbersome and uncomfortable.  It is not a ball bearing that needs to withstand abuse....it is an expensive and fragile IEM.  I am one who treats my stuff like gold so I have NEVER had quality issues so I would much rather have a more comfy and ergonomic design. Westone makes arguably the lightest most ergonomically comfortable IEM's on the market and their quality reputation is perhaps best in class.

post #90 of 1484
Thread Starter 
Spyro, the build quality is much lower. No doubt. Fit, finish and so on are much lower. Like you, I place heavier weight on what matters. So while spook is proabably right that I was generous in my build quality grade...I stand by it.

One thing I will be curious about is insertion angle of the nozzle. I feel like the 846 has a more natural angle and length. The W60 is a steeper angle that caused some early issues.

Finally, my recommendations as a W60 fan are: shorter tips for shallower insertion, foam tips if you don't get bass from silicons, and finally to spend time with them. My impressions changed more with these iems over longer term ownership. Initially, I did not like them. I am sure it was Brain burn in.

I wish you the best on the W60s if for no other reason than nobody else seems to own or care about these really good IEMs. Best wishes!
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