Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Portable Headphones, Earphones and In-Ear Monitors › Westone W60 Impressions Thread
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Westone W60 Impressions Thread - Page 5

post #61 of 357
Thread Starter 
Anyone with significant ear time with w60 care to share. Either my brain or w60 has broken in more with lots of hours racked up. I like the 846s right away and did like them more over time. With the w60 I perceive a larger improvement with time. Notably finesse and imaging.

Gear mentioned in this thread:

post #62 of 357
My W60 sounded fine right out of the box with only a little bit of harshness in the treble, and totally good after 48 hours of burning in. If yours don't sound right even after days of burning in you should go to demo a pair somewhere for comparison. When I took my AKR03 back to the service centre because I didn't think they sound right, the staff was initially unconvinced there was anything wrong with them after a brief listening, but after some more testing they found out that one or more of the BA drivers were faulty, as I have suspected. The problem with multi drivers IEMs, if one of the BA drivers went out of tune, there will be phasing problems, and the more divers, the more likely for it to happen. To me the W60 should have more clarity and details than the SE846.
Quote:
Originally Posted by M Coupe View Post

Anyone with significant ear time with w60 care to share. Either my brain or w60 has broken in more with lots of hours racked up. I like the 846s right away and did like them more over time. With the w60 I perceive a larger improvement with time. Notably finesse and imaging.
post #63 of 357

Any comparisons to the PFE232?

post #64 of 357
Quote:
Originally Posted by javahut View Post
 

 

This is where we would have to agree to disagree. I would never describe the 846 mid-range as "lush". Smooth?... maybe.

 

I don't want the bass isolated from the lower midrange. I want to hear it all. With the W60, I can... with loads of detail. With the 846, it sounds like it's missing an entire range of frequencies between the sub and the mids. The upper low end and lower mid-range is what makes the "smooth/honey-like" midrange. Without it, as in the 846, all I hear is the presence of the mid-range. This removes almost all sense of warmth from the 846 sound for me. The 846 can't get close to this quality of tone in these frequencies. I noticed this right away even when coming from the W4 to the 846... but was willing to live with it because I liked almost everything else about the 846. The sub is impressive on the 846.

 

Also, if you've only used Westone star tips or memory foam... you're not getting the best out of the W60. There are many more tips out there that are superior. Especially... you need a wider bore tip than the standard Westone and Star tips. I guarantee you... this makes way more difference to the sound of the IEMs than your balanced silver cable.

 

And another point... the 846 seems to be made to sound best farther from your eardrums, as in using the Westone or standard Shure tips. The wider the bore, and the deeper the insertion, and the 846 starts to sound like "too much of a good thing", for lack of better words. Kind of like the 846 sound is at least slightly hyped to account for this. Whereas... the closer and more open you can get the W60's sound directly into your ear and onto your eardrum... the more the sound quality and detail improves. It improves to the point that the low end becomes very close to the 846 (although, it's never going to sound like the 846, because, as you stated, Shure has separated the low end from mid-range, which makes their sub that much more noticeable). And all other frequencies represented in the W60 are more detailed and "lush" than the 846 for me.

 

Just remember that for the W60 (as with most Westones)... it's ALL about getting the right ear tip to appreciate all it has to offer. If you stop at the standard Westone/Shure tips, you're not getting all it has to offer.

 

That's interesting.

 

I was wondering about the difference between the W60 and new ES60 that Guttenberg was raving about on CNET. I realize Guttenberg gushed over the 846 and said he liked it better than the JH13.  But,  I guess he went back to calling the JH13 has "favorite". Now, the ES60 is his "favorite" (I suppose)....Anyway, my point is perhaps the ES60 is a W60 that's closer to the eardrum. I generally laugh at the notion that getting closer makes a difference. Perhaps it is a tuning acoustical thing.

 

I tend to agree with M Coupe. I had a W4 and found the mids to be thin and dry (no matter the many tips I have or source and amp). The nozzle was short though. However, I extended it using the triple-flange tips, but it doesn't have a wide opening. The 846 doesn't need a wide opening and with the black filter, it is decently warm. Although, I do EQ up the mid-bass.

post #65 of 357
Quote:
Originally Posted by javahut View Post
 

 

This is where we would have to agree to disagree. I would never describe the 846 mid-range as "lush". Smooth?... maybe.

 

I don't want the bass isolated from the lower midrange. I want to hear it all. With the W60, I can... with loads of detail. With the 846, it sounds like it's missing an entire range of frequencies between the sub and the mids. The upper low end and lower mid-range is what makes the "smooth/honey-like" midrange. Without it, as in the 846, all I hear is the presence of the mid-range. This removes almost all sense of warmth from the 846 sound for me. The 846 can't get close to this quality of tone in these frequencies. I noticed this right away even when coming from the W4 to the 846... but was willing to live with it because I liked almost everything else about the 846. The sub is impressive on the 846.

 

Also, if you've only used Westone star tips or memory foam... you're not getting the best out of the W60. There are many more tips out there that are superior. Especially... you need a wider bore tip than the standard Westone and Star tips. I guarantee you... this makes way more difference to the sound of the IEMs than your balanced silver cable.

 

And another point... the 846 seems to be made to sound best farther from your eardrums, as in using the Westone or standard Shure tips. The wider the bore, and the deeper the insertion, and the 846 starts to sound like "too much of a good thing", for lack of better words. Kind of like the 846 sound is at least slightly hyped to account for this. Whereas... the closer and more open you can get the W60's sound directly into your ear and onto your eardrum... the more the sound quality and detail improves. It improves to the point that the low end becomes very close to the 846 (although, it's never going to sound like the 846, because, as you stated, Shure has separated the low end from mid-range, which makes their sub that much more noticeable). And all other frequencies represented in the W60 are more detailed and "lush" than the 846 for me.

 

Just remember that for the W60 (as with most Westones)... it's ALL about getting the right ear tip to appreciate all it has to offer. If you stop at the standard Westone/Shure tips, you're not getting all it has to offer.

Do you have a tip to offer?  I'm a little confused by your post.  In the  previous Westone generations of silicone tips (like tri-flange), the bore hole is just a dot...maybe a millimeter.  The Star tips opened the exit hole up about 3X.  You don't like this improvement?  Is there another tip where exit hole it even larger?  Man, I'd have to see that...

post #66 of 357

So it looks like half the people who have heard both say the W60 has more bass, and the other half say the SE846 has more bass?

 

Which is warmer, and do either of them sound kind of like HD650's? I have W3's right now and haven't had a chance to experience the Shure house sound, so I'm not sure what to expect compared to Westone's sound.

post #67 of 357
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tsujigiri View Post
 

So it looks like half the people who have heard both say the W60 has more bass, and the other half say the SE846 has more bass?

 

Which is warmer, and do either of them sound kind of like HD650's? I have W3's right now and haven't had a chance to experience the Shure house sound, so I'm not sure what to expect compared to Westone's sound.

 

Bass is one thing, but I wouldn't rely on an impression of sub-bass. Most people have standard iPhones/iPods or boutique DAPs. I have the DX90 and had the Sony ZX1, HM-802, and X3. I turned the bass up all the way on all of those DAPs and still didn't hear any real sub-bass using the 846. I can hear real sub-bass with the 846 using my Note 3 (with Viper4Android). I have earphones that punch harder in the general bass region (than the 846) but none that can go as deep.

 

I may order the W60 just to see what it can really do.

post #68 of 357
Thread Starter 
846 is clear winner in bass department. Reaches much deeper and has better integration. The difference is not a small one. That being said, neither are slouches. It is just that 846 is so darn good with bass dept.

I put the 846, hd 650 and audeze lcd2 in the same family. They are different but share enough to be siblings.
Edited by M Coupe - 6/10/14 at 3:53pm
post #69 of 357

The bass is so much better on the 846 that it isnt even a debate...other aspects can be debated but not bass

post #70 of 357

I think you are right on that, the bass of the SE 846 sounds even better than my LCD 2/3/X, but in terms of the high frequencies, that's a completely different story.

 

Quote:

Originally Posted by jlbrach View Post
 

The bass is so much better on the 846 that it isnt even a debate...other aspects can be debated but not bass

post #71 of 357
I just received my W60s (on loan from my good friend and fellow HeadFier MCoupe) and here is hoping for the best. I have had the SE846 for 10 months and it maybe time for a change.
post #72 of 357
Quote:
Originally Posted by spook76 View Post

I just received my W60s (on loan from my good friend and fellow HeadFier MCoupe) and here is hoping for the best. I have had the SE846 for 10 months and it maybe time for a change.
what do you think of it and how does it compare to the se846?
post #73 of 357
Quote:
Originally Posted by daviemcc View Post

what do you think of it and how does it compare to the se846?

Good friend (I have to say this as he loaned me his W60) and fellow HeadFier MCoupe is after me to write a review and since you asked as well, I guess it is time to post my thoughts.

I will begin my review by saying I concur with MCoupe's far more detailed review on page 1 of this thread. I use the word concur because I agree in parts and dissent in others. The quick answer is the naysayers are wrong about the W60. Sound wise it is an accomplished and polished IEM superior to either the W4 or the SE535. Having spent months listening to the 846, my initial reaction to the W60 was far more negative than this review. It took a day for me to really appreciate what Westone was hoping to achieve with the W60s.

As for the direct comparison to the SE846, the treble extends materially further but on a some tracks it was either sibilant (male vocals only) or too hot (the cymbal's shimmer became sizzling). Further, because of the sizzle I found the W60 more fatiguing than the 846 in extended listening sessions. Those criticisms aside, the treble is better on the W60s than the 846s with corresponding greater detail but a bit less coherent.

As for the bass and mids I would concur with my colleague MCoupe's review as well as his bias towards the Shure house sound. The 846 edges the W60 but it is not night and day, especially with the mids it is more a matter of taste and the music you listen to most ofter. Although again agreeing with MCoupe, I found the mids on the W60 a bit dryer than the smoother 846. Also, and this may be my deciding factor sonically, the 846 is more dynamic and musical than the more "reference" W60 and that I believe is the low pass bass driven 846 making it so.

As for the soundstage it is wider on the W60 than the 846 but slightly shallower as the bass just does not extend as deep as the 846.

As for build quality, unfortunately here the 846 is far and away better than the W60. The build quality on the W60 is a disgrace for a $1,000 product. It feels like a piece of cheap plastic and low and behold it is a cheap piece of plastic. Contrast that with the superb, precision engineered 846 and the W60 falls very short.

As for the fit, the W60 is more finicky than a cat in finding the best tips to maximize the bass and soundstage. If not for MCoupe's guidance, I would still be tip rolling to find the right combination to maximize the sound. I had to abandon my blue Star Tips (silicone) and use black True Fit (foam) as a shallow insertion depth is best for the W60s. With the 846, I never found much difference from one tip to another assuming I had a good bass seal.

It is too bad that Westone's marketing (read MCoupe's review) and build quality masks what is otherwise an worthy successor and upgrade to the W4. I feel more strongly than MCoupe in preferring the SE846 to the W60, but I understand his points and I think our divergence is more a function of our musical tastes (MCoupe prefers female vocalists and more acoustical music to my progressive rock preference with male vocalists) than anything else.
Edited by spook76 - 6/19/14 at 4:37pm
post #74 of 357
Thread Starter 
Very nice and honest review.
post #75 of 357
Im looking forward on getting a se846 unit
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Gear mentioned in this thread:

Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Portable Headphones, Earphones and In-Ear Monitors › Westone W60 Impressions Thread