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Really not impressed with my recent Shure 425 purchase?

post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 

Hey everyone,

 

I know the headphones are kinda old nowadays but I'm still not seeing what all the fuss is about, especially for the price. I came from Klipsh S4s which cost me 1/10th of the price and I don't the shures have a value : quality ratio. The sound is very flat to me and no bass. I've tested the headphones on my laptop and my phone. Unless it's just the **** DACs in both. But the sound feels thin and if you turn the volume up it gets harsh on the high end? I'm listening to a lot of rock, stuff like Tool. 

 

And yes I'm pretty sure I have a perfect seal.

 

I'm not what to do really.


Edited by greenkomodo1 - 5/20/14 at 1:11pm
post #2 of 23

Do you mean you went from the S4s to the Shure SE425 in ear?

 

Just want to make sure I understand your problem.

 

If that is the case then the S4 is known to be very bass heavy and the Shure much more neutral sounding.

 

See the frequency chart provided for a comparison.

 

http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompare.php?graphType=0&graphID[]=2741&graphID[]=1953&scale=30

 

As for the treble distortion this could be a consequence of a poor seal added to the fact that they have some decent sized peaks in the distortion plot.  See the provided chart.

 

http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompare.php?graphType=1&graphID[]=2741&graphID[]=1953&scale=30

 

If you do not like them and can still return them I suggest you do so as the sound signature and quality might not be up to your requirements.

 

I hope you find a pair that you really like.  Perhaps look in the Brainwavz line.

post #3 of 23
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Originally Posted by greenkomodo1 View Post
 

Hey everyone,

 

I know the headphones are kinda old nowadays but I'm still not seeing what all the fuss is about, especially for the price. I came from Klipsh S4s which cost me 1/10th of the price and I don't the shures have a value : quality ratio. The sound is very flat to me and no bass. I've tested the headphones on my laptop and my phone. Unless it's just the **** DACs in both. But the sound feels thin and if you turn the volume up it gets harsh on the high end? I'm listening to a lot of rock, stuff like Tool. 

 

And yes I'm pretty sure I have a perfect seal.

 

I'm not what to do really.

 

The graph below is what you are hearing. 

 

Red = Klipsch S4

blue = Shure SE425

 

I think the Shure SE215 would fit your sound signature more. It has a big bass too. 


Edited by ubs28 - 5/20/14 at 8:40pm
post #4 of 23
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Originally Posted by ubs28 View Post

 

The graph below is what you are hearing. 

Red = Klipsch S4

blue = Shure SE425

(incoming noob Question)

 

So if I'm reading this like how I'd  usually mess about with an EQ, the shure has like rolled off treble? Wouldn't this be the opposite of harsh in the higher freq?

post #5 of 23
Thread Starter 

Yes I just bought shure 425, I was on Klipsh s4.

 

Yeah maybe I'm just not used to this flat shure sound.


Maybe it's my phone that just really sucks, if i turn up more than half volume I get horrible high end harshness. I don't think I got that from my laptop, I need to do more testing.

 

I also don't like how the sound is very flat and thin, it doesn't feel like my stereo (I know bad comparison) which is very full bodied and meaty which is what I like. I feel like I can pick out different layers but the Shure 425s just seems 2d and flat. If that makes any sense.

 

Also these shure are a pain to get on and the cable doesn't always stay behind my ear. I wouldn't mind if the sound quality was amazing. Also if I eat the sound goes ****ty.

 

Just want a pair of headphones that don't sound harsh in the treble and there is some depth to the sound and I don't have to mess around with an equaliser or get an amp or anything. Is it too much to ask ha?


Edited by greenkomodo1 - 5/21/14 at 5:02am
post #6 of 23

Yes you make perfect sense. You sound like me - I've found every Shure IEM I sampled sound strangely dark and flat to my ears. No amount of fit or EQ could fix it. From the e2c right up to the SE535. I really can't explain why my perception of them departs so drastically from other head-fiers', I don't really have that perception gap with other IEMs. I think I eventually just resigned myself and said "this is how I'm wired".

 

Usually if I'd bought a Shure IEM I'd have to sell it immediately because they'd seem so awful with no way of fixing. I do have one pair lying around - an SE210 that I got for my mom. I suggested it because everyone says it's the most isolating thing - the fit never worked out for her no matter how I coached her, and she went on to Sony's kinda-leaky, shallow-insertion active NC tech, which she loves and finds much more isolating! Which again just shows you how we could each be sensitive to different frequencies.

 

So our SE210 is in storage most days. I would pick it up and listen from time to time, and it's taken me 3-4 years to begin to warm up to it. I don't know if it's any sort of burn-in, placebo effect, or source synergy issue... I appreciate it a bit more now, I can hear it place sonic elements very precisely, but still on a relatively flat soundstage like you mentioned.

 

Based on my experience I would suggest a quick sale/trade, or return if that's open at all.

post #7 of 23
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Interesting someone else thinks the same. You know i do TONNES of research before I buy anything. 99% say these headphones are amazing but they just don't blow me away.I just want my earphones to sound like my thx creative works sound system! ha I know this is dumb and unrealistic but at least just give me a nice full bodied meaty thick sound with no horrible harshness on guitar solos/high singing when volume is up?


here in the UK the choice is very limited. Maybe I should try the klipsh x10?

 

What headphones do you have then heatofamatch?


i've been to a lot of concerts with ear plugs, maybe the frequencies are messed up in my ear.

 


These shures are from ebay with a 30 day money back if I don't like.


Edited by greenkomodo1 - 5/21/14 at 5:11am
post #8 of 23

Who did you buy these from on eBay?  They might be fakes which have been described as thin/harsh.

post #9 of 23
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Originally Posted by greenkomodo1 View Post

 

What headphones do you have then heatofamatch?


i've been to a lot of concerts with ear plugs, maybe the frequencies are messed up in my ear.

 

I've worn an IEM for isolation to all of my concerts, they were all too loud for my ears. The only show where I didn't need protection was Shawn Colvin, just her acoustic guitar and her producer playing bass on stage, so the volume was low.

 

My best headphones for the last few years has been the Sennheiser IE8, I've got about a dozen other IEMs total. I prefer IEMs and open earbuds because to my ears they seem more capable of crisp, edgy sound than large headphones... there's a specific mix of frequencies and soundstage that seems so hard to come by on a large can.

 

I can also be a bit of a trebleholic, but only Shure IEMs have the ability to sound completely mushy to my ears. I've got a lot of dark-sounding IEMs but none of them are totally mushed up to my ears like certain Shure products :biggrin:

post #10 of 23

It might just be simply for the fact that the sound signature doesn't suit you.

I've tried quite a number of IEMs before and I've tried the e4c, se215 and se535 and I've never liked any of them.

 

 

The only shure product that I like is the SRH1540 which is a full sized headphone.

post #11 of 23
Thread Starter 

My thnx cambridge soundworks system has a volume control which has a 3.5 mill jack you can put headphones in. I put that in there and compared 2 songs and it sounds a lot better on my system than it does on my galaxy s4 bah. Doesn't sound that great still though.


Edited by greenkomodo1 - 5/21/14 at 9:41am
post #12 of 23
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Originally Posted by greenkomodo1 View Post
 

Yes I just bought shure 425, I was on Klipsh s4.

 

Yeah maybe I'm just not used to this flat shure sound.


Maybe it's my phone that just really sucks, if i turn up more than half volume I get horrible high end harshness. I don't think I got that from my laptop, I need to do more testing.

 

I also don't like how the sound is very flat and thin, it doesn't feel like my stereo (I know bad comparison) which is very full bodied and meaty which is what I like. I feel like I can pick out different layers but the Shure 425s just seems 2d and flat. If that makes any sense.

 

Also these shure are a pain to get on and the cable doesn't always stay behind my ear. I wouldn't mind if the sound quality was amazing. Also if I eat the sound goes ****ty.

 

Just want a pair of headphones that don't sound harsh in the treble and there is some depth to the sound and I don't have to mess around with an equaliser or get an amp or anything. Is it too much to ask ha?

 

I know what you mean. I think you need to look for a warm IEM with a massive bass. 

 

I would personally return the Shure SE425 and get the Shure SE846. If that's too expensive and don't mind a portable headphone, then the B&W P7 is something to consider. 

post #13 of 23
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Originally Posted by sibilantz View Post
 

(incoming noob Question)

 

So if I'm reading this like how I'd  usually mess about with an EQ, the shure has like rolled off treble? Wouldn't this be the opposite of harsh in the higher freq?

 

If there is an impedance mismatch, the Shure SE425 will start to sound brighter while the Klipsch S4 remains unchanged which you can see in the graph below. Since the Shure SE425 has a spike in the higher frequency range, this spike will become bigger which could result in a harsh sound. 

 

 

 

blue = Shure SE425

Red  = Klipsch S4

post #14 of 23
To my ears the Shure se425 had no bass whatsoever
It's like an in-ear version of the srh940
The 535 had a much better bass response to my ears
post #15 of 23
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ubs28 View Post
 

 

I know what you mean. I think you need to look for a warm IEM with a massive bass. 

 

I would personally return the Shure SE425 and get the Shure SE846. If that's too expensive and don't mind a portable headphone, then the B&W P7 is something to consider. 

 

Lol $1500 on headphones, ay ay ay

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