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The Happy State Of The So Called Audiophile DAP Market

post #1 of 19
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Hello,

Before all, i just want to say that all the content this post is highly subjective and full of mistakes.

During many years the only quality DAPs available everywhere were Apple ones.

Then Apple decides that the whole world is becoming tactile, and they stopped the technical evolution of their ipod classic.

Some earbuds and IEMs users were a little bit disappointed.

Then some little companies decided to build quality DAPs for them :ksc75smile: (and be in accordance with the emergence of a new technology called Balanced-armature speakers)

This revolution needs his emblematic DAP ! (and we don't need a tactile screen instead of car steering wheel)

 

 

The result :

Apple Ipod Classic is big and has a mechanical hard drive in 2014.

Ibasso players are big are known to have a risk of ear damages.

Fiio players are big and not as ergonomic as expected and their UI is slow.

 

There is no good choice... but we have the choice :biggrin:


Edited by Silverprout - 5/20/14 at 12:39am
post #2 of 19
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During many years the only quality DAPs available everywhere were Apple ones....

 

For many years the Apple SQ across their MP3's players wasn't great. Exception being the first shuffle. Only in later years did Apple put the effort in improving the sound quality for the head phone out on their products. 

 

I stopped reading after that....

post #3 of 19
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For many years the Apple SQ across their MP3's players wasn't great. Exception being the first shuffle. Only in later years did Apple put the effort in improving the sound quality for the head phone out on their products. 

 

I stopped reading after that....

Don't be so sad, remember this is the happy topic and that the world is not only populated by rich people.

Any Apple DAP is far better than normal supermarket DAP (i never see any Sandisk DAP in any of my local store)

Remember, the past.. no internet.. no E-buisness.. even internet, no specialized forums :biggrin: 


Edited by Silverprout - 5/20/14 at 5:26am
post #4 of 19

Sad? Why? iPods are for the rich? They are not cheap products. 

 

I remember the market before the iPod. Diamond Rio, Creative Jukebox's. CD players with MP3 support, MiniDisc and HiMD. 

post #5 of 19
Thread Starter 

Yes, i try to be optimistic and "I stopped reading after that...." is not optimistic at all :biggrin:

Yes, ipods are for the rich (or for very enthusiastic people) and they were the only decent DAP choice available in my local stores.


Edited by Silverprout - 5/20/14 at 7:00am
post #6 of 19

Maybe -  "The Happy State Of The So Called Audiophile DAP Market" .... in my local Supermarket?

 

My local supermarket never sold any DAPs, fruit yes. ; )

post #7 of 19
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:D Yes, you are right and i love fruits.

I live near a big city...my local supermarkets are big and numerous !

ONLY APPLE E-V-E-R-Y-W-H-E-R-E.

 

The Happy State Of The So Called Audiophile DAP Market" .... in the 6th biggest city of France.

 

There is only one brand... but we have the choice :biggrin:


Edited by Silverprout - 5/20/14 at 8:24am
post #8 of 19

I had to google that....

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26823489

post #9 of 19
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I had to google that....

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26823489

wow, 250,000 French people in London, 300,000-400,000 for optimistic people.

287 845 in Nantes (only city), 873 133 total.

We are legions.

There is a tunnel under the ocean, we can go to UK with our car by the sea :D 


Edited by Silverprout - 5/20/14 at 8:46am
post #10 of 19

I must admit the thread title made me laugh, so I suppose that (in itself) is a "state of happiness".:biggrin:

 

When I compare my old Dell Axim X51V (from nine years ago) to today's devices, I see big noticeable improvements. Storage capability may not have improved much, but processing power is way better. The screen (and the quality of video) is way better. Internet access and streaming capability is off-the-charts better. The UI and OS stability is out-of-this-world better on today's devices.

 

The area that I can honestly say has not improved very much (in the devices that I've tried) in the last nine years (compared to that old Axim) is audio quality. Unlike all the other blatantly obvious improvements, you really have to sit in a quiet place (straining your ears) to tell yourself that the audio quality of today's devices is better than it was nine years ago.

 

But hey, I do tell myself that audio quality has improved and is improving, so I'm happy if you're happy.:wink_face:.....

post #11 of 19
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Originally Posted by truckdriver View Post
 

I must admit the thread title made me laugh, so I suppose that (in itself) is a "state of happiness".:biggrin:

 

When I compare my old Dell Axim X51V (from nine years ago) to today's devices, I see big noticeable improvements. Storage capability may not have improved much, but processing power is way better. The screen (and the quality of video) is way better. Internet access and streaming capability is off-the-charts better. The UI and OS stability is out-of-this-world better on today's devices.

 

The area that I can honestly say has not improved very much (in the devices that I've tried) in the last nine years (compared to that old Axim) is audio quality. Unlike all the other blatantly obvious improvements, you really have to sit in a quiet place (straining your ears) to tell yourself that the audio quality of today's devices is better than it was nine years ago.

 

But hey, I do tell myself that audio quality has improved and is improving, so I'm happy if you're happy.:wink_face:.....


You are right... to be happy :D

Some products improve absolutely all (apparently) :

700€

i'm so happy for the rich :biggrin: 

post #12 of 19
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You are right... to be happy :D

Some products improve absolutely all (apparently) :

700€

i'm so happy for the rich :biggrin: 

 

I wouldn't call myself financially rich, but I did have the Sony ZX1 up until a few days ago when I returned it. It's nice. It's different. It has a nice soundstage (depending on how I wear my IEM eartips). I may revisit the ZX1 if it is eventually rooted and if the price drops. How much better it is –is debatable. It has its strengths and weaknesses. By the end of my time with it, I thought I had tweaked the Note 3 enough to actually sound a little better than the ZX1. The Note 3 was already better in the sub-bass, soundstage size, and treble regions (that is, only versus the Sony stock music player).


Edited by truckdriver - 5/20/14 at 10:55am
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I wouldn't call myself financially rich, but I did have the Sony ZX1 up until a few days ago when I returned it. It's nice. It's different. It has a nice soundstage (depending on how I wear my IEM eartips). I may revisit the ZX1 if it is eventually rooted and if the price drops. How much better it is –is debatable. It has its strengths and weaknesses. By the end of my time with it, I thought I had tweaked the Note 3 enough to actually sound a little better than the ZX1. The Note 3 was already better in the sub-bass, soundstage size, and treble regions (that is, only versus the Sony stock music player).

The note 3 is big and has no physical buttons, IMHO the Sony is the best Hi-res DAP of the market.

post #14 of 19
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The note 3 is big and has no physical buttons, IMHO the Sony is the best Hi-res DAP of the market.

 

Well actually, the Note 3 has 4 physical buttons (if you count volume up and down as 2 separate buttons).

 

How do you know the ZX1 is the best? Have you heard all the others including the AK240?

post #15 of 19
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Well actually, the Note 3 has 4 physical buttons (if you count volume up and down as 2 separate buttons).

 

How do you know the ZX1 is the best? Have you heard all the others including the AK240?


I think all these hi-end DAPs are good in SQ. (IEMs as well, different but ALL good)

The note 3 is absolutely too big, the Sony is a little too big and has no physical navigation buttons.

But is very well designed, the jack is on the bottom (no stupid 180° cable bending), all the controls are accessible by one thumb and their position is logic (center :play pause, high :forward, low :back)

You can do all essentials controls blind and there is a large very high quality screen to choose you album.

That DAP is intelligent from everywhere.

No one can compete...


Edited by Silverprout - 5/20/14 at 12:07pm
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