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Aloha Errbody!

 

My name is Justin and I'm new to the headphone/audiophile world, but am more than ready to soak up all the information this site has to offer. (or at least what information my brain may be able to retain)

 

My first question for you folks is what IEM would you suggest? 

This is going to be a gift for my father. Some background on the dude, he's 56 and is the one who turned me onto musical artists like Sade and Daft Punk back when I was in elementary. I'm pretty sure he's one of the few senior citizens in the neighborhood  an aftermarket subwoofer in his car. He's had one in each car he's owned since I've been alive (27 years) haha. He has a Massive Audio NX5 running his Morel Dotech Ovation front stage, Morel Maximo rear deck, and RE audio sub getting its signal from a JL Audio Clean sweep. It may not be the top shelf products, but I think they're a step up from what best buy is carrying. This kind of explains what kind of IEM I'd like to get him. I can't afford the top tier stuff yet so I'd like to settle somewhere in the middle far away from skull candys.

 

In addition, my father gave me my first set of speakers, early 90's Bowers & Wilkens, and he cared enough about the sound waves going into my ears while growing up so I'd like to return the favor. 

 

I'm looking in the 80-150 price range at the moment. 

Some IEMs I'm considering are:

 

In no particular order

B&W C5

Yamaha EPH100

Sony XB90

Audio Technica CKS77X 

 

The devices I think he might be using are either an Apple Shuffle or some kind of Galaxy Android type of phone. 

 

Please keep in mind that my Dad is kind of a basshead and he will mostly be using these at the gym so they need to be able to withstand some abuse. He wont be using them while doing a tough mudder, but they won't be for book reading if you catch my drift. Any suggestions would greatly be appreciated.

 

Look forward to hearing your suggestions.

 

Aloha,

Justin


Edited by juggz999 - 5/16/14 at 2:41am
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Welcome to Head-Fi!  :smile:  Sorry about your wallet... :o

 

Lol, if he's running Morel and likes B&W, he's definitely cut from a different cloth from most dads.

 

Well, if I take the durability-for-gym-usage requirement to heart, and consider that he's a bit of a basshead, then I'd probably have to suggest an RHA MA750i.  When you see pictures, and read impressions, you'll understand why.  He might find the highs a little bit rolled off, but the durability is definitely top-notch (with a three-year warranty to back that up).  There's more information about it here:  http://www.head-fi.org/t/675848/new-rha-iems-the-ma750i-and-ma600i

 

If you want to give him the sub-bassiest IEMs I have ever heard... like ever... the Denon AH-C300 is it.  It's not just bassy, it's actually got an incredible amount of sub-bass. Not quite as durable as the MA750i. but definitely not fragile either.


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Thank you Warren for the quick response. I'll look into both of your suggestions. I might have to buy them both, audition, and then give my dad an open package IEM hahaaa. I'm really diggiing the Reid and Heaths, the design alone looks like it works perfect for working out. My father actually gave me a Denon receiver with the B&W speakers and that's what makes the DENON suggestion just as tempting. I'm sure my pops will be psyched either way. I snuck a peek at his current earphones and they're just as I thought; Skullpanties. 

 

The Morel speakers were my Christmas present to him this past year.The rest of his system were pieces I had laying around from my budget/daily driver build I was upgrading. I honestly think his current system in his car was the first gift from me that hes been super hyped on. (Fugq, I guess he didnt really like all those macroni art projects I gave him growing up. ) LOL/.

 

I hope this can be another addition to the "good gift" pile. 

 

Thanks again Warren.


Edited by juggz999 - 5/16/14 at 10:25am
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Another welcome to Head-Fi smily_headphones1.gif

If you haven't seen it yet, also check out this huge set of reviews and rankings of IEMs: http://www.head-fi.org/t/478568/multi-iem-review-315-iems-compared-t-peos-popular-added-04-30-14-p-901

BTW: Glad to see you buying nice audio equipment for your dad. My son is teenager now, and I get him good audio equipment like you got. Maybe when he gets older, he'll return the favor and get my some nice surprises. Dads into audio equipment definitely love that kind of thing biggrin.gif
post #5 of 18
One more suggestion. If you end up with a little money left in your budget, you might get your dad a Sansa Clip+ or Clip Zip. For $30, these tiny little MP3 players sound awesome up there with iPod sound quality, and they drive most IEMs very well. They also accept microSD cards, so if he likes it for gym use, he can easily expand the memory. And you can rockbox it for him, and then he'll have all kinds of features including PEQ. Every audiophile likes nifty little gadgets, and the Sansas don't disappoint.
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Cel,

 

Thank you for the informative link and Sansa suggestion.

 

Also, Thank you for the kind words. My pops has taken very good care of me and I love the dude to death. I can't pay off the mortgage or buy him the BMW he wants, but the simpler joys in life are the things I can sure try my best to accommodate. I'm absolutely sure that your son appreciates the care you take for his ears and his well being and will return the favor in the future. 

 

This search for the perfect IEM for my pops is exciting to my ears, but not my pocket. I feel like buying two of everything just so my father and I can have the same equipment. hahaaaa. 

 

I'm really antsy, so if other suggestions don't come up in the next few days...I'll be pulling the trigger on the two IEMS Warren suggested.

 

Warren or Cel,

 

From the IEMs I listed would there be any pros or cons you guys could express? Any of them I should rule out?

 

Thanks again,

 

Justin

post #7 of 18
IEMs are not really my thing. I don't know enough about those.
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Originally Posted by juggz999 View Post
 

Thank you Warren for the quick response. I'll look into both of your suggestions. I might have to buy them both, audition, and then give my dad an open package IEM hahaaa. I'm really diggiing the Reid and Heaths, the design alone looks like it works perfect for working out. My father actually gave me a Denon receiver with the B&W speakers and that's what makes the DENON suggestion just as tempting. I'm sure my pops will be psyched either way.

 

Haha, I don't think you need to get them both.  It's just a matter of nailing down the right signature at the moment.  :smile:

 

I do have a quick question for you that might help.  Is there a headphone or IEM that you've heard that you think he would like?  Or alternatively, can you think of a headphone or IEM that he would hate?  I have faith that - sooner or later - we'll be able to get on the same page as far as signatures go.  Let's work the problem.  :ksc75smile:

 

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Fugq, I guess he didnt really like all those macroni art projects I gave him growing up.  LOL/.

 

Lol, no, he liked those too.  He'll just have more use for these is all.  ;)

 

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My pops has taken very good care of me and I love the dude to death. I can't pay off the mortgage or buy him the BMW he wants, but the simpler joys in life are the things I can sure try my best to accommodate. I'm absolutely sure that your son appreciates the care you take for his ears and his well being and will return the favor in the future. 

 

Aww man, this is one of the coolest things about Head-Fi.  We talk about gear a lot, and occasionally music, but it's always nice to remember that there are real people at the end of the signal chain.  Maybe that's why I like organizing meets and shows so much.  Actually, now that I think about it... this thread reminds me of another thread - only in reverse.

 

BTW, I'm not sure where in the world you are, but if there is ever a Head-Fi meet near you, you and your dad should totally go.  We had more than a few father/son pairs come to our SoCal meet not too long ago.  And from what I heard, all of them had a great time checking out all kinds of gear together.

 

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Warren or Cel,

 

From the IEMs I listed would there be any pros or cons you guys could express? Any of them I should rule out?

 

Justin, I haven't heard any of the IEMs you mention in the first post.  However, I do have the Sony XB60 (the XB90's little brother).  It's not bad... definitely no top-end sparkle, and pretty warm bass.  You know who you should ask?  There's a guy around here named HiFiGuy528 who has both the B&W C5 and Sony XB90... and probably a few others as well.

 

Oh BTW, there are definitely some units that I could easily recommend if your budget were to mysteriously increase.


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post #9 of 18
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Cel,

 

It's all good. Thank you for your input.

 

Warren,

 

Thanks for your welcoming words. Although I've only been an actual member for a day now, I feel at home already.

 

Currently, I'm living in So-Cal and if there's another meet I'll try and make it out for sure. Unfortunately, my pops is back home in Hawaii so I don't think we'll be able to attend at the same time unless he's visiting at the right time or if you throw a meet in Hawaii while I'm back home visiting. Anything could happen. 

 

So a funny thing happened earlier today. After reading your sugestions, I decided to check out the prices on Ebay. While doing so, l came across the Denon AhC300 and decided to add it to my cart so I wouldn't forget the model number. BTW, I'm doing this while sitting in my car at school. Since I was browsing the interwebs with the A/C off I instantly came to the conclusion that it was too damn hot at that moment to sit in the car any longer. My dumbass didn't lock my screen and while stumbling out of my bucket seat my thumb must have hit the checkout button and then again to place the order (the buttons are in the same place once the page loads). I lock my car door and go back to my browsing but I see the thank you for payment page.......I was like......What? the? front door just happened. Soooooo, I guess I have an AHC300 coming soon. LOL.

It's ok though, I am still excited to find this sound signature you speak of. I'll send the Denons to my dad and if he likes them cool. if not, I'll have him pass them on to my lil sister. Everybody needs a decent IEM right?

 

The reason I want to purchase two IEMs is that it gives my dad a reason to pick the one he likes and ship the other back to me. This secretly means that I get a pair of IEMs too. Win Win situation. I wish I could just put all the funds into one IEM for my Dad, but I would really like step out of the realm of my current Brookstone IEMs I bought from LAX. A little selfish, but his ears can't get all the attention haha.

 

As for sound signature, I don't know if our ears are quite sophisticated yet. I know he sets his car up with higher and lower frequencies boosted a little and his midrange a little lower. I have no idea if that helps. Like I said, I'm a rookie, but am very hopeful on learning more. 

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WAIT... WUT?  :blink:

 

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Currently, I'm living in So-Cal

 

Okay, lol, you're going to want to check out these two threads:

 

T.H.E. Headphonium 2014 - a pretty big personal audio show less than two weeks away.

   - and -

The Official 2014 LA Head-Fi Meet - August 9, 2014, Marriott Warner Center

 

A whole bunch of us are getting together at T.H.E. Headphonium to hang out and check out gear together.  You should totally join us.  If you can't hang with us all three days, at least do all day Saturday.  We're starting early at breakfast, and I can bring a bunch of IEMs for you to try out.

 

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Cel,

 

It's all good. Thank you for your input.

 

+1  :smile:  Cel's cool, and he's always taking the time out to help whenever he can.

 

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Thanks for your welcoming words. Although I've only been an actual member for a day now, I feel at home already.

 

So a funny thing happened earlier today. After reading your sugestions, I decided to check out the prices on Ebay. While doing so, l came across the Denon AhC300 and decided to add it to my cart so I wouldn't forget the model number. BTW, I'm doing this while sitting in my car at school. Since I was browsing the interwebs with the A/C off I instantly came to the conclusion that it was too damn hot at that moment to sit in the car any longer. My dumbass didn't lock my screen and while stumbling out of my bucket seat my thumb must have hit the checkout button and then again to place the order (the buttons are in the same place once the page loads). I lock my car door and go back to my browsing but I see the thank you for payment page.......I was like......What? the? front door just happened. Soooooo, I guess I have an AHC300 coming soon. LOL.

 

LOLOL, butterfingers!  :D  Yeah, you're right, the worst case scenario is that your sister will have some pretty slick IEMs.  On one side of the IEM, those silver rings act as a dial and the center button can be pressed.  It's a pretty slick implementation of Apple controls if I do say so myself.

 

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As for sound signature, I don't know if our ears are quite sophisticated yet. I know he sets his car up with higher and lower frequencies boosted a little and his midrange a little lower. I have no idea if that helps. Like I said, I'm a rookie, but am very hopeful on learning more. 

 

Ah, I gotcha, he likes a V-shaped signature!  :smile:  Okay, how much he likes the Denon will depend directly on how much sub-bass he likes.  The Denon has it in spades, more sub-bass (<60Hz) than any other IEM I know of.  But at the same time, he might want more highs than the Denon can put out, so we'll have to see how he likes it.

 

However, based on what you just said, cancel the RHA MA750.  It's not truly V-shaped, so be probably won't dig it.

 

And finally, I should note that many Audio-Technica IEMs are known for being V-shaped (but with just a bit of a boost in the midrange to make vocals pop).  Again, I have not heard the CKS77X that you mentioned... but there's a very good likelihood that it is V-shaped in a way your dad will like.

 

I'll be back in a second... I'm going to see what ljokerl and ClieOS might have to say about the Audio Technica CKS77X.


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Okay, they didn't seem to mention it.  Nevermind.  :o 

 

BTW, there is one IEM that I think your dad will absolutely LOVE.  But at $1,295... well... yeah.  Someday though!


Edited by warrenpchi - 5/17/14 at 4:46am


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So a funny thing happened earlier today. After reading your sugestions, I decided to check out the prices on Ebay. While doing so, l came across the Denon AhC300 and decided to add it to my cart so I wouldn't forget the model number. BTW, I'm doing this while sitting in my car at school. Since I was browsing the interwebs with the A/C off I instantly came to the conclusion that it was too damn hot at that moment to sit in the car any longer. My dumbass didn't lock my screen and while stumbling out of my bucket seat my thumb must have hit the checkout button and then again to place the order (the buttons are in the same place once the page loads). I lock my car door and go back to my browsing but I see the thank you for payment page.......I was like......What? the? front door just happened. Soooooo, I guess I have an AHC300 coming soon. LOL.
It's ok though, I am still excited to find this sound signature you speak of. I'll send the Denons to my dad and if he likes them cool. if not, I'll have him pass them on to my lil sister. Everybody needs a decent IEM right?

That sounds like something that would happen to me. LOL
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I would definitely like to attend the Marriott meet. I have a feeling I will be overwhelmed by the equipment being displayed. How exciting.

As I get deeper into the headphone game, I would like to pick up an amp and DAC or any other items that may be required to get the most out of a portable audio experience. 

I'll look into other Audio Technica reviews to see what other people say. I appreciate you taking the time to check around for me. 

 I don't think I could pull the trigger on purchasing thousand dollar IEMs even if I had the money. Unless the IEMs were modeled off a Westone 4, drivers are made from unobtainum/kryptonite , casings hand shaped from a single unicorn horn, and cables made from a combination of oxygen free Pegasus hair strands and live Avatar tails. Hahaaaa. Of course if it has all that put into it then the price is justifiable.


Edited by juggz999 - 5/18/14 at 1:47am
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Warren,

Just got the accidental pair of denons today. Straight out of the box, I think my dad will like the bass for sure. I'll keep you posted to when he gives me feedback after I send them home.

As for finding an iem for me, I recently bought Yamahaeph100s. I LOVE how crispy they sound. The whole frequncy range sounds clear and definitely to my liking, but if I could get just a tad bit more of bass from them that would be awesome. Is there something between the Denons and Yamahas you could suggest? I don't mind sacrificing a little off the top for a little more bottom end . Do you think changing tips might produce a better seal for more low frequency response? I'd be perfectly fine just sticking with the Yamahas since they're the best earphone I have ever heard. Then again I haven't heard much. Thanks for your input and time as always.
Edited by juggz999 - 5/20/14 at 6:33pm
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I would definitely like to attend the Marriott meet. I have a feeling I will be overwhelmed by the equipment being displayed. How exciting.

 

It's a ton of fun! And the width and breath of experience (not to mention gear) found at a meet is staggering.

 

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As I get deeper into the headphone game, I would like to pick up an amp and DAC or any other items that may be required to get the most out of a portable audio experience.

 

Lol, this is where things will start to get more expensive as you add to the signal chain.  :p  Before you do that, I would highly suggest that you attend a meet or show so that you can hear some of the gear out there.  Trust me, no amount of reviews will ever beat an audition.  Don't get me wrong, I'm all in favor of a portable DAC/amp - or an audiophile DAP with those elements included - as I have found they greatly enhance the sound quality... but trial and error can get expensive over time if you know what I mean... and only shipping services win that game.  :o

 

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I don't think I could pull the trigger on purchasing thousand dollar IEMs even if I had the money. Unless the IEMs were modeled off a Westone 4, drivers are made from unobtainum/kryptonite , casings hand shaped from a single unicorn horn, and cables made from a combination of oxygen free Pegasus hair strands and live Avatar tails. Hahaaaa. Of course if it has all that put into it then the price is justifiable.

 

Remind me to re-post what you just said a year from now.  :D

 

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Just got the accidental pair of denons today. Straight out of the box, I think my dad will like the bass for sure. I'll keep you posted to when he gives me feedback after I send them home.

 

It's impressive isn't it?  It shocked me the first time I heard it.  A lot of packages have marketing speak about deep and powerful bass.  But, um, yeah.  The AH-C300 is wow.

 

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As for finding an iem for me, I recently bought Yamahaeph100. I love how clear they sound. The vocals and high frequencies are a definitely to my liking, but they don't seem to put out much bass. Is there something between the Denons and yamahas you could suggest? I don't mind sacrificing a little off the too for some bottom end. Thanks for your input and time as always.

 

I haven't heard the EPH-100 yet, so I'm gonna have to get back to you on that one.  I'll have to dig around to get a rough approximation of its FR, particularly how clean and bright it is, before I can even begin to suggest what to audition next.  Also, should I be limiting things to the $75 range?  I'm assuming the Denons were around $75, so the $150 original budget minus $75 would leave $75 remaining?


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