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post #391 of 630
True dat! I think I'll wait for your/impressions though. Is it worth getting the B3's if you have the kc06's? Do the altone's blow them all out of the water (and are the high's not too harsh/sibilant)? Inquiring minds are counting on you most'chill!
post #392 of 630
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for those that care, when it comes to how they graph

 

Tenore>=KC06>>>Alone>Havi


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Welp for those that care Tyll's graphs seems to show that the Piss Po' Piss_tonsss graph better than the KC06 so.....

http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/innerfidelity-july-2014-update

 

And we all are WELL aware of what the true reality is pertaining these two hyped IEMs.

 

I personally don't put too much weight on silly ol' graphs anyways cuz they are only a small piece of the sonic jigsaw puzzle and how well/bad things graph can be FAR from how it sounds in real lyfe as the Piss_tons vs. the KC06 exemplifies.


Edited by sfwalcer - 7/19/14 at 8:57pm
post #393 of 630
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Graph isn't important,only thing is important is that you like what you hear and enjoy it, but nitpicking everything and trying to find fault will only make it miserable 😃
post #394 of 630
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Love all three: tenore,kc06 gold,kc06A 😁
post #395 of 630
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Havi b3 pro1 will have Monday and the are epic when properly driven 😉
post #396 of 630

The trouble is sometimes graphs may be misleading because they look better than they sound. Moral of the story....Looks Can Be Deceiving. Mochill how does the KC06 gold compare to the KC06 silver?

post #397 of 630
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^

Welp for those that care Tyll's graphs seems to show that the Piss Po' Piss_tonsss graph better than the KC06 so.....

http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/innerfidelity-july-2014-update

 

And we all are WELL aware of what the true reality is pertaining these two hyped IEMs.

 

I personally don't put too much weight on silly ol' graphs anyways cuz they are only a small piece of the sonic jigsaw puzzle and how well/bad things graph can be FAR from how it sounds in real lyfe as the Piss_tons vs. the KC06 exemplifies.

actually they don't, they have far too much bass and bit too much treble compared to the KC06 and from what I've read, this coincides with subjective impressions. Not only that, the Pistons have near audible distortion in significant regions whereas the KC06 has a much better, distortion free driver. That's the problem, when graphs aren't read properly. Honestly between the Tenore and KC06, I don't look into how they graph so much as I know they are tuned correctly and have high quality drivers. The Altone like all T-Peos have high distortion and from the manufacturers data, seem to have that v-shaped house sound which I don't personally like. As for Havi, one site showed how the company can't even match their drivers and there is roll off and uneveness, though it is somewhat neutral...lol

post #398 of 630
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Originally Posted by mochill View Post

Graph isn't important,only thing is important is that you like what you hear and enjoy it, but nitpicking everything and trying to find fault will only make it miserable 😃

 

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The trouble is sometimes graphs may be misleading because they look better than they sound. Moral of the story....Looks Can Be Deceiving. Mochill how does the KC06 gold compare to the KC06 silver?

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+ 10000000000000000000

 

But it's hard to get that across to some graph Nazis though.....  :bigsmile_face:

 

BUT isn't trying to find faults the SOLE purpose of this crazy hobby we call audiophilia though???

I GOTS STANDARDS MENG. :cool:

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How ever low they may be. :ph34r:
post #399 of 630
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actually they don't, they have far too much bass and bit too much treble compared to the KC06 and from what I've read, this coincides with subjective impressions. Not only that, the Pistons have near audible distortion in significant regions whereas the KC06 has a much better, distortion free driver. That's the problem, when graphs aren't read properly. Honestly between the Tenore and KC06, I don't look into how they graph so much as I know they are tuned correctly and have high quality drivers. The Altone like all T-Peos have high distortion and from the manufacturers data, seem to have that v-shaped house sound which I don't personally like. As for Havi, one site showed how the company can't even match their drivers and there is roll off and uneveness, though it is somewhat neutral...lol

Totally agree with you on the Pistons v2 vs KC06 after checking out Tyll's graph. The bass seems bloated. I also remember Tyll mentioning about how good UE600 looks on the graph as compared to how it sounds. In other words, graphs are a good reference point but the end result is in our ears.


Edited by Francisk - 7/19/14 at 9:08pm
post #400 of 630
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Totally agree with you on the Pistons v2 vs KC06 after checking out Tyll's graph. The bass seems bloated. I also remember Tyll mentioning about how good UE600 looks on the graph as compared to how it sounds. In other words, graphs are a good reference point but the end result is in our ears.

That was a slip from Tyll, UE600 doesn't graph well, high distortion and limited bandwidth.... Decent, but certainly not "good"


Edited by Inks - 7/19/14 at 9:11pm
post #401 of 630
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actually they don't, they have far too much bass and bit too much treble compared to the KC06 and from what I've read, this coincides with subjective impressions. Not only that, the Pistons have near audible distortion in significant regions whereas the KC06 has a much better, distortion free driver. That's the problem, when graphs aren't read properly. Honestly between the Tenore and KC06, I don't look into how they graph so much as I know they are tuned correctly and have high quality drivers. The Altone like all T-Peos have high distortion and from the manufacturers data, seem to have that v-shaped house sound which I don't personally like. As for Havi, one site showed how the company can't even match their drivers and there is roll off and uneveness, though it is somewhat neutral...lol


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Seems like i have struck the right nerve....

700.... can't say i disagree with you there. Like i be saying i try not read too much into graphs cuz....

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... i don't really know how to read them THAT well.  : P

 

Sucks to hear your theory on those Altones though, was thinking they might be a real gem. Just glad you didn't read them as MUD. LMAO :rolleyes:

 

Oh i have always wanted to ask you this, what doesn't sound like mud to you???

 

But seriously though think you might need to use a different word to describe your bass perceptions cuz "mud/ muddy" are damn strong words meng, and I wouldn't even label the Piss Po' Piss_ton as such cuz they are just CRAZY warm and mellow like slow flowing molasses is alls. haha


Edited by sfwalcer - 7/19/14 at 9:14pm
post #402 of 630
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That was a slip from Tyll as well, UE600 doesn't graph well, high distortion and limited bandwidth.....

Point taken Inks. I totally agree with you on using graphs as a good reference point but let's not forget also that everyone's ears are totally different and that makes a lot of difference in one's perception of sound reflected on the graph. We have to also consider that not everyone has perfect hearing due to the over exposure of loud music (self inflicted) and loud noises (occupational hazard). That alone changes one's perception of sound due to hearing damage and therefore as accurate as the graphs may appear to be, it might not appear the same for the listener due to frequency loss in individual's ears. Let's be honest, I don't claim myself as having perfect ears due to the above mentioned facts therefore I use the graphs only for a point of reference but the end result is what's best for my ears...and let's not forget that everyone have different preference in sound. There's bass heads, mid heads and treble heads to consider......:D Many don't even like flat frequency response (unlike many of us who are all out to search for the ultimate flatness response) because it sounds too dry for them therefore sound is a very subjective thing


Edited by Francisk - 7/19/14 at 9:28pm
post #403 of 630
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Sucks to hear your theory on those Altones though, was thinking they might be a real gem. Just glad you didn't read them as MUD. LMAO :rolleyes:

 

Oh i have always wanted to ask you this, what doesn't sound like mud to you???

 

But seriously though think you might need to use a different word to describe your bass perceptions cuz "mud/ muddy" are damn strong words meng, and I wouldn't even label the Piss Po' Piss_ton as such cuz they are just CRAZY warm and mellow like slow flowing molasses is alls. haha

hmm

 

Tenore, KC06, 9927, EX1000, GR07, RE272 and some other few don't have muddy bass. Too much 150-200hz leads to this darkness in the lower midrange, I simply call mud. Haven't heard the DN1000s, but from it's graph, I'm sure they don't have muddy bass.

post #404 of 630
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hmm

 

Tenore, KC06, 9927, EX1000, GR07, RE272 and some other few don't have muddy bass. Too much 150-200hz leads to this darkness in the lower midrange, I simply call mud. Haven't heard the DN1000s, but from it's graph, I'm sure they don't have muddy bass.


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Sounds good, looks like this is the 1st tyme we are seeing eye to eye on something. LoL

 

Meh those DN1Ks are good but is nothing to write home about, too safe for my liking. They do have good bass quantity and quality and is not muddy whatsoever but they are just missing that "musical/PRaT" aspect so.....

 

How can graphs accurately measure the level of  PRaT/ texture in audio gears anyways.... :blink:  EXACTLY!!! ;)

post #405 of 630

you have to define that properly first, that's why it cant be shown, it's a loose term

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