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post #16 of 36
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Originally Posted by EyeMKermie View Post
 


The 260mW @ 300ohm  numbers are directly from the Schiit spec sheet.  At 32ohms the magni outputs 1.2W per channel. Yes. 1.2 watts. sounds like a lot but definitely what Schiit lists on their spec sheets.

 

I know the vali sounds wonderful, but it is a hybrid and still has tubes. I will be working on the same table/desk where the amp will be located and my experience is that the tube amps can tend to color the music. ( some more than others of course. I rather like the sound of ALO tube amps.specifically the Pan-AM) I really want to avoid the ting sounds you get when the amp picks up vibrations. When I am sketching new designs or working on some models at my desk I can really get my desk moving. I don't even keep uncapped beverages on my desk, tumblers are ok. lol.

THE color is teh idea, the DT 990 is a very bright headphone with a recessed mid range, the Vali is a very warm tube amp with a slighty forward midrange. The idea is to take the DT 990 and the Schiit Vali, 

 

Additionally, the noise of the Tube is only heard on low impedance headphones, the 250 ohm DT 990 has enough resistance to filter out the noise. So trust me, the combination will do great, and the noise of the Vali isn't something you hear on a High impedance headphone! If your REALLY worried, get the 600 ohm dt 990, but it's about $60 more than the $150 990 pro 250 ohm 

post #17 of 36
Thread Starter 

The phones and am/dac that I'm looking for is just to connect to my computer for work stuff and music while I'm working and of course games.

 

I still have my 3 thousand dollar car audio system ( all SQL setup) and a older vintage but still amazing home hifi setup. I am rarely just listening to music as I am either working or commuting to work/school. 

 

Im also not sure what the vali would do to my conference calls and gaming.

post #18 of 36
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

THE color is teh idea, the DT 990 is a very bright headphone with a recessed mid range, the Vali is a very warm tube amp with a slighty forward midrange. The idea is to take the DT 990 and the Schiit Vali, 

 

Additionally, the noise of the Tube is only heard on low impedance headphones, the 250 ohm DT 990 has enough resistance to filter out the noise. So trust me, the combination will do great, and the noise of the Vali isn't something you hear on a High impedance headphone! If your REALLY worried, get the 600 ohm dt 990, but it's about $60 more than the $150 990 pro 250 ohm 


The dt990 would be my first anything lol over 100 ohm impedance so I will take your word. 

 

How do you think the vali will effect my conference calls and games?

post #19 of 36
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

THE color is teh idea, the DT 990 is a very bright headphone with a recessed mid range, the Vali is a very warm tube amp with a slighty forward midrange. The idea is to take the DT 990 and the Schiit Vali, 

 

Additionally, the noise of the Tube is only heard on low impedance headphones, the 250 ohm DT 990 has enough resistance to filter out the noise. So trust me, the combination will do great, and the noise of the Vali isn't something you hear on a High impedance headphone! If your REALLY worried, get the 600 ohm dt 990, but it's about $60 more than the $150 990 pro 250 ohm 


Btw- totally get you thinking using the vali to make up for what the dt990 is lacking. I spent 6 months tuning my car to get the right balance. Changing amps, mid, tweeters, signal processors, sound deadening the car, and everything else.

post #20 of 36

While I've never heard or worn the DT990/250's, I have owned a couple different sets of Beyerdynamics and can attest to their comfort.  Of all the cans I've owned, I'd put them second only to Denon's D2000/D5000.  Maybe.  I have worn my 770's for hours without any headband or earcup discomfort.

 

Regarding the SuperLux 668, I also have not worn it specifically but I did get a chance to audition the HD681.  While it didn't sound terrible for the price, I definitely had concerns about build quality.  Also worth noting (and this is noted in at least a few reviews here and elsewhere) is that earcup depth on the SuperLux models is a bit shallow...depending on if your ears contact the housing, long term comfort may be an issue.

 

Just my 2 cents :beyersmile: 

post #21 of 36
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Originally Posted by EyeMKermie View Post
 


Btw- totally get you thinking using the vali to make up for what the dt990 is lacking. I spent 6 months tuning my car to get the right balance. Changing amps, mid, tweeters, signal processors, sound deadening the car, and everything else.

It's not thinking I speak from experince, during conferance calls with audio output through the vali there should be no ussies, with you speaking with a mic there shouldn't b any issue with the noise of the vali as it's analog there is no chance of it creating feed back digitally and outputting noise 

 

In addition I also enjoyed use of the Vali while I made use of skype calls, the vali is a amp not a dac, the Modi or Beringher Dacs would be great for feeding into the Vali 

 

Trust me, from experince I can say the DT 990 Pro 250 ohm and Vali combo sound pretty wonderful, and the vali when hooked up to a proper dac like the Modi or Beringher 

 

granted there are other systems to be had, but for the price of the Vali and the UAC 202, along with the price DT 990 Pro 250 Ohm, I think for around $330 including shipping. I would say for the money it's a hard combo to beat, and I've spent the money to get a better system and I think it was worth it but... I wish I had started with something on the level of the Vali and DT 990, but alas the vali didn't exist then :/ 

post #22 of 36
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Originally Posted by EyeMKermie View Post


The 260mW @ 300ohm  numbers are directly from the Schiit spec sheet.  At 32ohms the magni outputs 1.2W per channel. Yes. 1.2 watts. sounds like a lot but definitely what Schiit lists on their spec sheets.

I know the vali sounds wonderful, but it is a hybrid and still has tubes. I will be working on the same table/desk where the amp will be located and my experience is that the tube amps can tend to color the music. ( some more than others of course. I rather like the sound of ALO tube amps.specifically the Pan-AM) I really want to avoid the ting sounds you get when the amp picks up vibrations. When I am sketching new designs or working on some models at my desk I can really get my desk moving. I don't even keep uncapped beverages on my desk, tumblers are ok. lol.

I understand. I'm not personally a fan of hybrid tube amps because they color the sound (although I can understand why others do).

The Modi/Magni would be a nice choice, and certainly would be a step up over that Behringer. smily_headphones1.gif

I wouldn't worry about blowing the headphones. Just don't run them so loud that they distort. It's good to have more output than the headphones because you'll have clear, distortion free sound coming from the amp up through the headphones limits.
post #23 of 36
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

It's not thinking I speak from experince, during conferance calls with audio output through the vali there should be no ussies, with you speaking with a mic there shouldn't b any issue with the noise of the vali as it's analog there is no chance of it creating feed back digitally and outputting noise 

 

In addition I also enjoyed use of the Vali while I made use of skype calls, the vali is a amp not a dac, the Modi or Beringher Dacs would be great for feeding into the Vali 

 

Trust me, from experince I can say the DT 990 Pro 250 ohm and Vali combo sound pretty wonderful, and the vali when hooked up to a proper dac like the Modi or Beringher 

 

granted there are other systems to be had, but for the price of the Vali and the UAC 202, along with the price DT 990 Pro 250 Ohm, I think for around $330 including shipping. I would say for the money it's a hard combo to beat, and I've spent the money to get a better system and I think it was worth it but... I wish I had started with something on the level of the Vali and DT 990, but alas the vali didn't exist then :/ 


sorry there was a typo. I meant to say your thinking as in your method and mindset for using the vali with the dt990. Im well aware that the vali is an amp.  I know you have personal experience with the two and I really appreciate your help. I actually would not have known that the 250ohm was so cheap. I was previously only looked at the 32ohm of the dt770/880/990.

 

So thanks. truely for the help.

post #24 of 36
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Originally Posted by EyeMKermie View Post
 


sorry there was a typo. I meant to say your thinking as in your method and mindset for using the vali with the dt990. Im well aware that the vali is an amp.  I know you have personal experience with the two and I really appreciate your help. I actually would not have known that the 250ohm was so cheap. I was previously only looked at the 32ohm of the dt770/880/990.

 

So thanks. truely for the help.

Indeed I can respect Cels thoughts for using a Solid state, but the DT 990 is a rather BRIGHT headphone and it LOVES tubes, to get right in the middle it's good to use it with a tube. and I'm not sure if Cel ever heard the Vali but... well the Schiit Vali was more transparent than my old Matrix M Stage! Less powerful yes but it was better sounding and more open! AND it's cheaper AND AND AND second harmonics from a TUBE! 

 

For the bright beyer headphones, the Vali is like a god send! Here read this review of the Vali versus my giant balanced solid state :/ 

 

http://hifilittleriver.blogspot.com/2014/01/schiit-audio-vali-vs-nfb10es2-balanced.html

 

Granted if you'd really rather have the magni and a solid state, then get the DT 880 Pro 250 ohm, not as cheap as the DT 990 but it sounds a smidge better [although tbh with EQ the DT 990 can sound better than the DT 880, I just dislike usine EQ] 

 

Either way, again best bang for you buck would be the 990 beringher and the vali, if you have a little more to spend than the Modi would be a good choice to get, either way for $150 the 990 Pro 250 is a killer deal 

post #25 of 36
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post


I understand. I'm not personally a fan of hybrid tube amps because they color the sound (although I can understand why others do).

The Modi/Magni would be a nice choice, and certainly would be a step up over that Behringer. smily_headphones1.gif

I wouldn't worry about blowing the headphones. Just don't run them so loud that they distort. It's good to have more output than the headphones because you'll have clear, distortion free sound coming from the amp up through the headphones limits.


I agree. I have a vintage tube amp as part of my home hifi.. its great for some stuff but not for everything. I actually only use my home hifi if im listening to classical or some jazz.

 

I think now my choice is which amp to get magni or vali, and whether to start with the behringer or just go to the modi.

 

Im just used to my car audio i guess. everything there Ive set so that its distortion free and set so you cant blow a speaker ever even at full volume which at full volume will make your ears bleed . the tweeters and pressure are just so strong at full volume you really cant take it. Tho i never run my car at full volume, but let me say ... at full volume... the clarity of the music listening from down the street is incredibly clear and balanced.

post #26 of 36
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Originally Posted by EyeMKermie View Post

I agree. I have a vintage tube amp as part of my home hifi.. its great for some stuff but not for everything. I actually only use my home hifi if im listening to classical or some jazz.

Well, and I actually like the full tube amps I've heard a lot. The hybrids just add a little tube sound--not the same experience.
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Originally Posted by EyeMKermie View Post

Im just used to my car audio i guess. everything there Ive set so that its distortion free and set so you cant blow a speaker ever even at full volume which at full volume will make your ears bleed . the tweeters and pressure are just so strong at full volume you really cant take it. Tho i never run my car at full volume, but let me say ... at full volume... the clarity of the music listening from down the street is incredibly clear and balanced.

You could do the same thing with the Modi. "Adjust the gain" using your computer system volume smily_headphones1.gif

One thing about the Vali: You can't change the tube. If you decide you are interested in a hybrid amp, also look into the Little Dot I+ (I used to own one). Then you can change the tubes and tweak the sound a little.

Here is discussion of it: http://www.head-fi.org/t/348639/new-hybrid-amp-by-little-dot-i

Even more discussion of tube rolling with it: http://www.head-fi.org/t/364043/little-dot-i-tube-rolling
post #27 of 36
Thread Starter 

Just curious,

 

Did anyone check the songs I listed for a reference to what I will be listening to with these phones and amp/dac?

 

Also.. is the AD700x in any way comparable the dt990? I've just heard so many good things about the ad700x to not do a head to head vs the dt990.

 

Just to double check... I will be wearing these phones for at least 6 hours straight a day. does anyone think ill have a hot ear/ sweat ear problem wearing these that long?

They are open back so i should get better flow, but I dont know

post #28 of 36
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post


Well, and I actually like the full tube amps I've heard a lot. The hybrids just add a little tube sound--not the same experience.
You could do the same thing with the Modi. "Adjust the gain" using your computer system volume smily_headphones1.gif

One thing about the Vali: You can't change the tube. If you decide you are interested in a hybrid amp, also look into the Little Dot I+ (I used to own one). Then you can change the tubes and tweak the sound a little.

Here is discussion of it: http://www.head-fi.org/t/348639/new-hybrid-amp-by-little-dot-i

Even more discussion of tube rolling with it: http://www.head-fi.org/t/364043/little-dot-i-tube-rolling


I started to get into tube rolling but its honestly just one too many hobbies in my life lol. As a hot rod builder and product design student, plus i do a lot of IT work.. buiding home nas systems gaming computers etc.. im stretched a bit thin to add all that so I like the idea of not messing with tubes. the vali is probably as far as i would go.

post #29 of 36
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Originally Posted by pr0ggy View Post
 

While I've never heard or worn the DT990/250's, I have owned a couple different sets of Beyerdynamics and can attest to their comfort.  Of all the cans I've owned, I'd put them second only to Denon's D2000/D5000.  Maybe.  I have worn my 770's for hours without any headband or earcup discomfort.

 

Regarding the SuperLux 668, I also have not worn it specifically but I did get a chance to audition the HD681.  While it didn't sound terrible for the price, I definitely had concerns about build quality.  Also worth noting (and this is noted in at least a few reviews here and elsewhere) is that earcup depth on the SuperLux models is a bit shallow...depending on if your ears contact the housing, long term comfort may be an issue.

 

Just my 2 cents :beyersmile: 


Thanks a bunch.

 

Ya i have really small ears so the depth isnt usually an issue.

post #30 of 36
The AD700X series will be fairly bass light, from what I understand (I have only heard the A700X and A900X). DT990 will have some bass emphasis and is also known for fairly bright treble (I've only heard the DT880 and DT770, but based on comparisons I have read).

If you wanted something more in between, the Soundmagic HP200 has good reviews:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/634186/review-soundmagic-hp200-an-excellent-open-back-headphone
http://noblehifi.blogspot.com/2013/05/soundmagic-hp200-review.html

Impedance is 32 ohm for the HP200, so easy to drive in that regard, although sensitivity is a little low. Might need an amp to reach the volume that you want and to give you better dynamics. But should sound good on most portable devices without one.
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