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post #256 of 6523

Black: there are threads about sound quality. This thread is a news thread, that's it. Obviously, some people are quite against AK's strategy, if it can be called that.

 

But, knowing now what you know of AK's operating model, I would suggest going to try one out, even if you have to board an airplane to do it. Why? Because if you are going to spend 1800$ on a DAP, knowing that it likely will be upgraded in a few months, you better be damn sure it's one you want. Don't take anyone's word on it.

post #257 of 6523
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Hey guys, am I the only one who feels that judgment is premature at this point?  Specs notwithstanding, none of us here have heard the new units, nor taken the time to compare them via A/B.  If we are to live up to our mantra of SQ being first and foremost, should we not at least have more information there before passing judgment?

 

I've heard multiple people say the same about the AK120, which I don't agree with.

 

I think you've been reading only part of the thread. Many of us don't even care about the SQ at this point; it's the absurdity of an 'ultimate' brand-topping product being released too early, then revised - multiple times - at the customers' expense, then when gotten just right, released as a higher end version... which has its own problems, and is then tended to by a new hardware release to fix problems in earlier versions. That, and the fact that iRiver are charging luxury prices and giving a Dr. Xin experience: you never know which is the current version. There is no idea of what AK or iRiver stand for or behind. SQ is, for the most part, out of this conversation. Many of us have heard the 240 and 'old' (not even a year old) 120 that's been updated now over three times (WTF?) and like what we hear. But the way the brand is being handled is disgusting. The way customers are being treated is disgusting. 

 

Oh no, I went back and got caught up on the entire thread last night before heading off to Bedfordshire.  :smile:  I'm just trying to point out that perhaps the most important "feature" we're all interested in... the sound... is largely an unknown at this moment.  If I take the products in isolation from the company... and evaluate them on the basis of sound quality (given my personal preferences of course)... I would only be upset if the new units offered the same experience - especially in terms of sound quality - for less money.

 

Let me put it another way. The new units don't change the sound, performance, usability or feature set of the current units.  And if I was happy with a previous unit based on those criteria, why should the new units suddenly cause me ire?


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post #258 of 6523

Warren: if SQ is the only thing that matters, then there is no ire to be had with anyone ever. It's the fact that you cannot take these units in isolation from the company and the line up. 

 

If you do, they could release another product tomorrow, which is a mere update of something they forgot to include, or a fault fix, and that would be that. Oh well, buy a new one since mine wasn't considered up to spec! yay! We have to take the new units in context. Again, it's not a money thing, it's the fact that iRiver are pushing unfinished products out, making people pay, then when they find things that need to be fixed or missing, they release new models rather than supporting users, or their old models. They do NOT commit. 

If SQ was all that matters, everything else be damned. But it isn't all that matters. No self-respecting, customer-respecting company do what iRiver are doing. 

 

I've made my opinion of the AK series clear: I think they are nice. I like their sound. For the most part, I dig their looks. But the modus operandi of the company and the series is the same thing that drove problems with Xin in 2006. You never knew what was the official version, you never knew which was best, you never knew what you were going to get. 

 

But that was an engineer selling basically a DIY hack. This is a product line dubbed 'ultimate', which itself means end, meaning nothing comes after. No matter the SQ, the AK series is ridiculous. 

post #259 of 6523
When people argue AK240 is so expensive for so little SQ gain, the argument is "we care about other things like form factor...and such".
When people say AK revises so many different models titan, mk2, the next ultimate after another , the argument is SQ is so important.
I am seeing the point of eke's earlier post in this thread.
So much interest here...
post #260 of 6523
Right on Shigzeo..
post #261 of 6523

More mud in the water as far as I'm concerned when it comes to me wanting to buy a new DAP.  I've been very interested in buying one of today's new DAP's, so I've read and read the threads on the AK's, Hifiman, iBasso's, and Fiio's in particular.  Invariably, about half way through the threads I realize the majority of posts relate to fixing quirks, understanding how the UI works, getting files properly loaded,  and constantly upgrading software to fix features that shouldn't be broken.  I originally felt that I was way behind the times with my iPod and CLAS, but at this point I no longer care, for I do not want to be a Beta tester, especially if to pay premium prices to be one. 

post #262 of 6523
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Warren: if SQ is the only thing that matters, then there is no ire to be had with anyone ever.

 

Well no, it's most definitely not the only thing that matters, but it is pretty important.  And I'm just trying to point out that I think we need more ears on these units before we can say anything definitive.

 

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When people argue AK240 is so expensive for so little SQ gain, the argument is "we care about other things like form factor...and such".
When people say AK revises so many different models titan, mk2, the next ultimate after another , the argument is SQ is so important.
I am seeing the point of eke's earlier post in this thread.
So much interest here...

 

Cosmic, I think it's all important.  Sound, performance, usability, feature set, form factor - and yes - price as well.  All of that is important.  But again, at the cost of possibly beating a dead horse here, I'd really like to get some good impressions going before we start making declarative statements.  And in case any A&K fanboys are reading this, that goes both ways. 


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post #263 of 6523
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Oh for the love of peat (scotch whisky) all I want is a DAP that sounds good.

They say the longer one contemplates a purchase, the less likely is commitment. I have this far read far too many posts regarding market strategy (or evident lack thereof) and bot enough about the player's sonic capabilities; it is hard not to feel dissuaded.

 

Could this speak to the possibility that the difference in SQ in all these DAP's is not significant enough to warrant strong conversation?

post #264 of 6523
Possibly, but bear in mind neither have hit the shelves yet.

I am thinking maybe Sony's entry into the 24-bit arena instead, if that is, it is easy enough to buy here in Australia.

My SE846s sound pretty sweet from both my iPhone and MacBook, however it is all in the name of coaxing out that extra 20-30%. Would a decent amp suffice? The quandary with that is the iPhone maxes out at 64GB. I need more than that.
Edited by Black Label - 5/22/14 at 6:01pm
post #265 of 6523
Out of topic but I just realized Warren's birthday is very close to mine [Official 2014 LA Meet]

But indeed, UI plays a role too when it comes to DAP. I personally would be prefer a more "luxury" feel UI or at least, something that is comfortable for me to search around the music library easily other than just sound quality. In fact, it is easy to find a good sounding DAP these days; FiiO, iBasso, A&K, and so many other more at very competitive price but finding the perfect UI is slightly harder IMO Apple iPod still wins in UI although I can see FiiO is catching up and A&K on AK240 seems attractive...
post #266 of 6523
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Cosmic, I think it's all important.  Sound, performance, usability, feature set, form factor - and yes - price as well.  All of that is important.  But again, at the cost of possibly beating a dead horse here, I'd really like to get some good impressions going before we start making declarative statements.  And in case any A&K fanboys are reading this, that goes both ways. 

I agree. I believe some of us will have access to both of these very soon then decide. In fact, I find the AK120II price in Korea to be more acceptable than AK240.

post #267 of 6523
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Could this speak to the possibility that the difference in SQ in all these DAP's is not significant enough to warrant strong conversation?

 

Originally Posted by Black Label View Post

Possibly, but bear in mind neither have hit the shelves yet.

 

Originally Posted by CosmicHolyGhost View Post
 

I agree. I believe some of us will have access to both of these very soon then decide. In fact, I find the AK120II price in Korea to be more acceptable than AK240.

 

I also think that personal preference comes into play quite a bit here.  I have a friend who has better ears than mine.  And for him, native DSD is definitely a big deal.  For me, not so much, and not nearly enough to warrant the limiting of musical selection.  I'm hoping to have something clear cut to report on after T.H.E. Headphonium.

 

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Out of topic but I just realized Warren's birthday is very close to mine [Official 2014 LA Meet]

 

Lol, you just noticed?  There's always some kind of Head-Fier's get-together after meets... but this time we're hoping to have a LOT of people all come together for it (i.e. more than the 2 dozen people that normally do).  :smile:


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post #268 of 6523
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I think you've been reading only part of the thread. Many of us don't even care about the SQ at this point; it's the absurdity of an 'ultimate' brand-topping product being released too early, then revised - multiple times - at the customers' expense, then when gotten just right, released as a higher end version... which has its own problems, and is then tended to by a new hardware release to fix problems in earlier versions. That, and the fact that iRiver are charging luxury prices and giving a Dr. Xin experience: you never know which is the current version. There is no idea of what AK or iRiver stand for or behind. SQ is, for the most part, out of this conversation. Many of us have heard the 240 and 'old' (not even a year old) 120 that's been updated now over three times (WTF?) and like what we hear. But the way the brand is being handled is disgusting. The way customers are being treated is disgusting. 

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post #269 of 6523
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Lol, you just noticed?  There's always some kind of Head-Fier's get-together after meets... but this time we're hoping to have a LOT of people all come together for it (i.e. more than the 2 dozen people that normally do).  :smile:

I do know that there's Head-Fi meets everywhere around the world, even in Singapore but I didn't know your birth date were so close to mine... extremely close by looking at the LA meet date haha 

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Warren and I are pleased to announce the Official 2014 LA Head-Fi meet (and Bonus Warren Chi Birthday Bash) on August 9, 2014 at the Marriott Warner Center in Woodland Hills! The meet will have a similar look and feel to the recent March 22 SoCal meet (click for impressions). 

post #270 of 6523

oh I want one for me! Especially the AK100 II. Looks very sexy. Hopefully price will be near to the old model. 

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