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post #226 of 6525
The loyal ak fanboys r getting bashed by non-Ak customers for bashing AK, so bizarre
post #227 of 6525
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Originally Posted by Solude View Post

Not sure why people are raging over this.  Why wouldn't AK trickle down their new tech into new models? ....

It IS good for new customer. But BAD for past customers. I would rather get my $2500 back and pay $1800 for the ak120II...

It is one thing to diversify product via different features / performances, but in the case for an audiophile DAP the differentiation between ak240 and ak120II is SO small that it's like iriver saying "eff it, eff the current ak240 customers, we will have fatter margin if we rid the expensive materials and machining process PLUS more market share with a "friendlier" price tag".... definitely good for new customers, but not for the ones in the "eff it" category.
Edited by kkcc - 5/22/14 at 4:46am
post #228 of 6525

It is nice to see some people are waking up and seeing the truth.

 

"The rain has gone, I can see clearly now" Quote of the Day in Head-Fi.

post #229 of 6525
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Originally Posted by AmberOzL View Post
 

It is nice to see some people are waking up and seeing the truth.

 

"The rain has gone, I can see clearly now" Quote of the Day in Head-Fi.

 

 

 

 

post #230 of 6525
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Originally Posted by WCDchee View Post

While I personally would not pay for a product from ak, I don't find what they're doing insulting or offensive. Yes they have released quite a number of products, but if you do think about it, the ak100 has been around for 2 years? The mk2 for a year perhaps. So this would be the second update. And this would be the first update to the 120 which was announced a year ago. The ak240 would still be the flagship unless i am wrong.

In essence, they have a yearly update cycle, which is about what every other big electronics company does unless i am much mistaken. Apple released a new phone each year, samsung does for each model, so does lg or htc or sony. So even if they do release the ak240 II next year, I don't see what is wrong.

After all, given a choice, I would rather have a company update their products regularly as opposed to one that sits on its butt for a few years before making a new product. Because this means that they are making innovations, improvements. Of course this is provided the revisions are improvements, and of course until we hear the new products, we have no right to comment on that.

So currently the way i see it, the only dap which i really really like now is the ak240, because it is so functional, balanced amp for headphones, the nicest sounding amp section i have heard of all daps so far, a great responsive touch interface, wireless streaming, and yes i do like the volume knob. Don't get me wrong, I'm using the fiio x5 because of its great value, but if i could afford the ak240, would i want it? Of course i would. Its the first dap IMO that doesn't make me feel like I'm using a product from the last decade.

And if i was in the market for a dap now, would i be happy? Extremely. Why? Because i get the functional capabilities of the ak240 in two much cheaper models. They aren't cheap but hey, i knew that when i decided to get an ak product. So imagine if i was a user that was willing to pay the 100/120 price, but looking for functionality of this decade, these two new products would make me really happy.

So in my opinion, the rate at which they update their products is not wrong, and the fact that they have multiple products at different price points isn't wrong either. As for the pricing, of course i wish it could be lower, but come on, I also wish that an SLK isn't going to cost a couple of hundred thousand like it is in my country.

If anything, I feel that this update has come at a good time. Why? The ak100 and 120 have nothing over their competitors now, while costing so much more. So its time to give something more, its a huge upgrade imo, and that would call for a price rise. So if youre willing to pay for it, pay for it, if not, there's fiio and ibasso, which while I love, will never give me that excellent user experience which the ak240 has given me.

i believe that this is the most logical post so far... 

post #231 of 6525
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Originally Posted by kkcc View Post

It IS good for new customer. But BAD for past customers. I would rather get my $2500 back and pay $1800 for the ak120II...

It is one thing to diversify product via different features / performances, but in the case for an audiophile DAP the differentiation between ak240 and ak120II is SO small that it's like iriver saying "eff it, eff the current ak240 customers, we will have fatter margin if we rid the expensive materials and machining process PLUS more market share with a "friendlier" price tag".... definitely good for new customers, but not for the ones in the "eff it" category.

Perhaps, but look at the dx90, a number of people consider it superior to the dx100, at half the price no?

Similar to ibasso, i believe that ak doesn't intend to make a cheaper product better than the flagship, as for whether people are willing to pay the high prices, i wouldn't at this point, and its really up to the individual smily_headphones1.gif
post #232 of 6525
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Originally Posted by kkcc View Post

It IS good for new customer. But BAD for past customers. I would rather get my $2500 back and pay $1800 for the ak120II...

It is one thing to diversify product via different features / performances, but in the case for an audiophile DAP the differentiation between ak240 and ak120II is SO small that it's like iriver saying "eff it, eff the current ak240 customers, we will have fatter margin if we rid the expensive materials and machining process PLUS more market share with a "friendlier" price tag".... definitely good for new customers, but not for the ones in the "eff it" category.

Well you get extra 128gb, native DSD plus an aircraft grade casing tongue.gif
you could always sell your 240 and get the 120. You'll probably still have some spare change too
post #233 of 6525

really eager to find out if AK120II would sound the same as AK240 for PCM files

 

:popcorn:

post #234 of 6525
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Originally Posted by WCDchee View Post


Perhaps, but look at the dx90, a number of people consider it superior to the dx100, at half the price no?
 

Keep in mind though, the DX100 was released a few years back while DX90 was just recently. The more advanced technology plays a role too IMO 

post #235 of 6525
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Originally Posted by CosmicHolyGhost View Post

really eager to find out if AK120II would sound the same as AK240 for PCM files

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Well according to 1 Chinese reviewer, he mentioned the 120II sounded better than the 240 with PCM biggrin.gif
post #236 of 6525
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Originally Posted by WCDchee View Post

Perhaps, but look at the dx90, a number of people consider it superior to the dx100, at half the price no?

Similar to ibasso, i believe that ak doesn't intend to make a cheaper product better than the flagship, as for whether people are willing to pay the high prices, i wouldn't at this point, and its really up to the individual smily_headphones1.gif

I had my dx100 almost 30 months ago before I have my dx90.... and I have my ak240 3 mths for now.... and let's not get into the fact the whole DAC,AMP,screen,UI is different for the ibasso....
post #237 of 6525
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Originally Posted by CosmicHolyGhost View Post

really eager to find out if AK120II would sound the same as AK240 for PCM files



 



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Unlikely, when it comes to high-end audio (if consider AK's belongs to such category), taking care of resonance is just as important as power conditioning or circuit design, considering the fact that AK120II use different material (Duralumin body for AK240, Aluminum for AK120II, and carbon fiber back-plate for AK240), all of these make a difference to sound, whether the difference in sound (improvement or not) translates to their price in a proportionate way, is a question, though.
post #238 of 6525
Do not see comparison to mobile phone market. You have budget, mid range, top end or phablet. Real distinction for diff needs whereas AK compete with themselves. Most manufacturers are on annual release schedule and would not dream of cannibalising their own sales.
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Originally Posted by Solude View Post

go rage at ALO or Cypher or Apple or any number of other companies that tweak their products constannd relaunch it as a new revision that the existing customer base runs off to buy at launch.  Complaining about a company that threw out their first go at an audiophile dap, redesigned it from scratch, got massive acclaim for it, then provided that same performance in feature and build stripped versions at lower cost?  Get over it.
The people providing constructive opinions are not customers - far as I can tell. The emotive posts are customers - says it all.

It is not innovative or being a leader with constant minute iterations. Rather says there is a lack of direction and self belief.

Would you think the suits had a clue if they keep changing coach every few months? We the customers are the players not knowing what the strategy is.

CL have three DACs in three years so hardly flooding market. Apple do annual cycle. Alo have several revisions but their schedule is still longer than AK
post #239 of 6525

I bought my Sony Xperia Z and in less than a year, Sony released Xperia Z1 with better camera, battery, etc....  A few months before Samsung S3, Samsung released the S2 LTE with battery life lasts for 3 hours if really using LTE. The only lesson I learnt is to not spend so much for a silly smart phone. So I think it is similar to AK strategy now

post #240 of 6525
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Originally Posted by CosmicHolyGhost View Post

I bought my Sony Xperia Z and in less than a year, Sony released Xperia Z1 with better camera, battery, etc....  A few months before Samsung S3, Samsung released the S2 LTE with battery life lasts for 3 hours if really using LTE. The only lesson I learnt is to not spend so much for a silly smart phone. So I think it is similar to AK strategy now

You are right. I haven't been buying totl phones (Samsung, Sony, HTC, etc) at launch for a while as their prices drop so quickly... maybe only exception is the iPhone. Never in a million albums would I imagine my niche audiophile DAPs following this product management cycle.... I guess this is good for the general consumers!

Still... 3 mths and boom same dac/amp circuitry and most of the same features for $700 less!! I guess is JUST a bit harder to stomach than say galaxy S5 coming 12 myths after S4 with incremental spec changes but at basically same msrp.
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