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post #121 of 1550

Typical Korean company (Samsung's next-of-kin), releasing new product every 16 seconds. 

Don't get me wrong, I'm an Asian too :biggrin:

post #122 of 1550
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Originally Posted by DevilofLife View Post
 

I want to know does the AK120 II has native DSD support?

http://www.astellnkern.com/eng/htm/ak120/ak120_2_feature01.asp shows (DSD to PCM)

but here http://www.astellnkern.com/eng/htm/ak120/ak120_2_spec.asp shows its Native DSD

 

I believe that is just the sample rate. In the decoding spec you don't see DSD while on the AK240 spec page in the decoding spec you see DSD.

post #123 of 1550
About to get a new dap, this will surely made the whole audition session veerrryyyyy looongggggg
post #124 of 1550
AK120II looks very interesting. If this keeps up I'm going to ban myself from Head-Fi.
post #125 of 1550
Lolz me too 😂... If only I know if it sound as good as the 240 for cheaper 😌
post #126 of 1550

Yes for all but DSD.

post #127 of 1550
That's what makes it so interesting. Plus I don't really like the AK240 aesthetically... this looks a lil better. As far as DSD, for me that doesn't matter at all, right now anyway.
Edited by warrior1975 - 5/17/14 at 1:48pm
post #128 of 1550
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Originally Posted by warrior1975 View Post

That's what makes it so interesting. Plus I don't really like the AK240 aesthetically... this looks a lil better. As far as DSD, for me that doesn't matter at all, right now anyway.

The AK120-V2 pricing doesn't seem to be much less than the current AK240 street price and is more than the current AK120.

From the hardware specs I just don't understand why didn't implement native DSD - from what we've been shown its very very similar to the AK240 hardware wise. Seems more convoluted to go DSD->PCM given that.

 

I suspect it's a hedge for now and they can maintain the pricing structure with the AK240 intact. When competition comes out with more better and cheaper hardware with native DSD like CalyxM or the Light Harmonic Geek next year - they can discontinue the AK240 and provide a firmware upgrade to instantly upgrade the new AK's to native DSD, drop price and keep competitive. 

 

Just my $0.02

post #129 of 1550
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Originally Posted by harmonix View Post

The AK120-V2 pricing doesn't seem to be much less than the current AK240 street price and is more than the current AK120.
From the hardware specs I just don't understand why didn't implement native DSD - from what we've been shown its very very similar to the AK240 hardware wise. Seems more convoluted to go DSD->PCM given that.

I suspect it's a hedge for now and they can maintain the pricing structure with the AK240 intact. When competition comes out with more better and cheaper hardware with native DSD like CalyxM or the Light Harmonic Geek next year - they can discontinue the AK240 and provide a firmware upgrade to instantly upgrade the new AK's to native DSD, drop price and keep competitive. 

Just my $0.02

price difference is around $700, that's quite a lot for me. Unfortunately over my budget, im relegated to the 100 II now frown.gif
post #130 of 1550
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Originally Posted by harmonix View Post
 

The AK120-V2 pricing doesn't seem to be much less than the current AK240 street price and is more than the current AK120.

From the hardware specs I just don't understand why didn't implement native DSD - from what we've been shown its very very similar to the AK240 hardware wise. Seems more convoluted to go DSD->PCM given that.

 

I suspect it's a hedge for now and they can maintain the pricing structure with the AK240 intact. When competition comes out with more better and cheaper hardware with native DSD like CalyxM or the Light Harmonic Geek next year - they can discontinue the AK240 and provide a firmware upgrade to instantly upgrade the new AK's to native DSD, drop price and keep competitive. 

 

Just my $0.02

 

I think the lack of XMOS chip on the AK120II and AK100II is the true reason why it can't do native DSD. I doubt a firmware update could allow for native DSD unless the XMOS chip is secretly there but just disabled.

post #131 of 1550
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Originally Posted by Levanter View Post

price difference is around $700, that's quite a lot for me. Unfortunately over my budget, im relegated to the 100 II now frown.gif

I'm seeing around $125. AK240 street price is coming down.
post #132 of 1550
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Originally Posted by harmonix View Post

I'm seeing around $125. AK240 street price is coming down.

AK240 - $2,500
AK120II - $1799
AK100II - $999
post #133 of 1550
Thread Starter 

They didn't write the Android code required for CS4398 to decode DSD to begin with, pretty much like having ES9018-K2M inside TCL idol X+ S960 and VIVO Xplay 3S while not taking advantage of DSD decoding. Same deal for DX100 and HDP-R10 as well.

 

Maybe it's just too much work for their developers of relatively small companies to implement that for Android, that's why they simply add another chip separately inside AK240 so that hardware decoding of DSD could be done.

 

Now they don't really want both AK120II and AK100II to share too many features with what's being offered by AK240 for obvious reasons, it's just so easy to "get rid of" that extra chip for hardware decoding of DSD while converting DSD to PCM instead. That's exactly what Sony did to the latest firmware versions of F880 series and ZX1 recently.

 

From the perspective of marketing, it just makes more sense to reserve a certain feature for their flagship AK240 even though AK120II ain't costing much less to boot. IMHO that's all about shaping the perception of potential customers by somehow "fooling" them to think that having an extra chip for hardware decoding of DSD would be well worth the investment. Even Hugo converted DSD to PCM but that still turned out to sound great to many of us here.

post #134 of 1550
I could not care less about DSD. I do not even care that much about high res...such a small share of music is in these formats. My issue is that the AK120II has less memory, so prefer the AK240.
post #135 of 1550
If you're going to spend 999? Why not get the calyx m instead? Full sd +microsd + 64gb on board storage.

edit: why does the headphone out on the ak120II have a 2Ω impedance? why not just go for the <1?? 2Ω does had a impact on the sound of high sensitivity IEM's like the UM Miracle right?
Edited by audiophile_007 - 5/18/14 at 2:22am
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