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I'm assuming Beats has the patent on some kind of compression algorithm for "high-def" streaming.  Since apple is already going 24/96 (rumored) this would make a whole lot of sense.  That or I'm hoping that there is some kind of compression algorithm there that will either ease apple's distribution of those new high def files, or something along those lines.  If this has anything to do with hardware someone needs to to get fired.

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Read an article on this yesterday. Both Beats and Apple are the two most ludicrous companies in the entire world, and now they're looking to merge. We're looking at a catastrophe unlike anything we've ever seen. Hopefully Apple will do the right thing...but they haven't been doing anything right since Cook was on the throne. They're really changing it up this time:

  • Release date of the iPhone 6 moved back to August.
  • iPhone 6 has a 4.7" screen
  • Apple allegedly losing grip on the music industry

 

That just doesn't seem very orthodox for Apple. They look like they're beginning to crumble from the looks of it. Who knows, they might end up as a regular giant like Samsung and not the premium company with lavishly overpriced products.

 

so, why would this be a catastrophe exactly? And what is this "right thing" that you hope Apple will do?

 

LOL @ "allegedly losing grip" on the music industry… you mean the music industry that has been in steady decline over the last decade, hemorrhaging profits & consistently downsizing? Why would losing their grip on that concern them when they're in an completely different (and profitable) business? Besides, I believe the iTunes store has always been a loss-leader for them, so its debatable that they ever had a "grip" on the music industry. Its something they run because their consumers like the convenience, and it helps sell their phones, tablets & computers - THAT is where they make their money.

 

Also, they're not merging, Apple is outright buying them. How exactly do they "look like they're beginning to crumble" ? They have more cash on hand then any company in the world, and more than most countries as well. While this would be their largest acquisition to date, it's barely going to make a dent in their short-term financial picture, and Apple remains insanely profitable on their own, altho I'm sure the masses will continue buying Beats which will only contribute further to Apple's insane profits. 

 

And god forbid they launch the iPhone 6 in…AUGUST!!! THE HORROR… THE HORROR!

post #48 of 295

View from Japan here...

 

 

I run my own English School and I thought I'd add my 2 cents. 

I teach Japanese kids and adults.

 

RE: Apple

 

Many adults own and bring their ipad or ipad mini to class. I have yet to see any other brand. Does Sony make a tablet?  I wouldn't know. I have never seen one in person.

 

Most electronic stores that sell Apple goods have them front and center. I had to go looking for Sony HD walkmen that I saw on here. They were dust covered and off to the right and back. Plastic dummy demos. The Apple are on and can be interacted with.

Apple is doing just fine over here in Japan....Sony would love it's piece of the pie back.

 

A Junior High school girl? Pretty much the trend driving clique over here. It's like a right of passage to graduate from a family contract galaxy phone to a iphone 5. Custom cover...man...they are on cloud 9!

 

Beats??

 

 

 

My DJ friends use Pioneer at work but rock Beats when they go out. They say it's portable and looks cool. It's about image and that's not a problem.

 

Apple and Beats...doing just fine over here. Together? Seems like an epic idea if executed right.

post #49 of 295

My macbook Pro has been bomb-proof reliable over 3+ years, and my iPhone has likewise been just as reliable.  Its an added bonus that they also sound good with most of my headphones.     I think Apple has always catered to musicians and "the arts" (for lack of a better term).  I can't imagine them de-emphasizing this market segment, and abandoning sonic fidelity and durability / reliability.  Even despite how horrid Beats are across the board in every way.

 

I have found the latest design EarPods OEM earbuds to be very good sounding and extremely durable too, as I bounce back and forth between them and my KSC75 and SR60i.  Hopefully Apple will continue along this path in the consumer market arena with Beats.  That whole Dre-Beats versus Monster fia$co a few years ago still leaves me with a negative impression of both.  Its going to take a lot of image repair from Apple to overcome that ugly history.  Beats/Apple need some serious dedication to sound quality, overall quality, and design robustness... but even that can't erase history.


Edited by kramer5150 - 5/10/14 at 11:34am
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My macbook Pro has been bomb-proof reliable over 3+ years, and my iPhone has likewise been just as reliable.  Its an added bonus that they also sound good with most of my headphones.     I think Apple has always catered to musicians and "the arts" (for lack of a better term).  I can't imagine them de-emphasizing this market segment, and abandoning sonic fidelity and durability / reliability.  Even despite how horrid Beats are across the board in every way.

I have found the latest design EarPods OEM earbuds to be very good sounding and extremely durable too, as I bounce back and forth between them and my KSC75 and SR60i.  Hopefully Apple will continue along this path in the consumer market arena with Beats.  That whole Dre-Beats versus Monster fia$co a few years ago still leaves me with a negative impression of both.  Its going to take a lot of image repair from Apple to overcome that ugly history.  Beats/Apple need some serious dedication to sound quality, overall quality, and design robustness... but even that can't erase history.

Hell yea, Apple makes things that last! I still have my iMac from 2005! Still works fine! smily_headphones1.gif
post #51 of 295

Apple better not start putting all the Beats Audio crap into their products. 

 

I read an article a few months ago about how on the HTC One (might've been on Head-fi actually), it purposely tampers with the sound to make it bad when the software is turned off.

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Hell yea, Apple makes things that last! I still have my iMac from 2005! Still works fine! smily_headphones1.gif

Yep... the brand as a whole really focuses on reliability, and I have no complaints.

 

Beats on the other hand are purely an image/lifestyle company.  They are not what I would consider an audio-centric or a sonic fidelity company.  Add to that their long history of fragility and poor robustness and you have a complete turd of a product.

 

Its not impossible to turn around.  Just look at the original Bose triport AE1, versus their re-designed (far superior) AE2.  Its the damage to the brand and image though thats hardest to repair.

post #53 of 295
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Yep... the brand as a whole really focuses on reliability, and I have no complaints.

Beats on the other hand are purely an image/lifestyle company.  They are not what I would consider an audio-centric or a sonic fidelity company.  Add to that their long history of fragility and poor robustness and you have a complete turd of a product.

Its not impossible to turn around.  Just look at the original Bose triport AE1, versus their re-designed (far superior) AE2.  Its the damage to the brand and image though thats hardest to repair.

Yea, I agree.
post #54 of 295

I think that most people, myself included view this possible sale like so; Apple makes quality products that are in the end, unrivalled. Some may not like their 'ecosystem', some may believe that Apple products are overpriced. Some may have a destain for Apple just because. Regardless of people's personal opinions, and tastes, Apple does not make crap. Period! Apple does not overcharge for their products. Period! Apple listens to their users and don't include useless 'buzz-worthy' technology. Simple, clean, elegant, powerful, useful. That is Apple.

 

Beats on the other hand are not that bad in terms of quality of sound and design, but they are also not great either. Unlike Apple, Beats is pure marketing; their products do not sound as good as the price leads you to believe, and are 3 times overpriced (minimum, I have seen what resellers pay and it's sickening). For $400 I could get a killer pair of top end  Sennheiser, Audio Technica, AKG, or Grados, that sound like $400 headphones. Beats HD headphones at that price point seriously sound like a pair of $50 Zoro HD. I am not knocking the Zoro HD in any way, rather simply accurately pricing the sound of any Beats products.

 

Go to Kijiji and check out the headphones section. In Edmonton, 5 pairs of Beats are added daily, and I can honestly jump to each page going back to the new year and 95% of all headphones listed are Beats. That alone says a lot about the actual quality of their products, and why I will never waste my money on anything labeled 'Monster' or 'Beats'. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me 5 times and I become a realist.

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Beats since inception were louder than any other headphone out and designed for portable listening. If you connect Sennheiser, Bose, or any other headphone to a smartphone it will not be as loud as Beats. To the general public demoing headphones in a store by connecting them to his or her smartphone, any other headphone will sound thin and weak compared to Beats. This is why Beats have flown off the shelves, and this is what "audiophiles" don't understand.

 

 Because audiophiles listen to music at much lower volumes instead of max volume, they're not aware of Beats overwhelming sound level advantage.

 

 Notice that Beats are available for demo at every single store where they're sold; they know that their cans will wipe the floor with every other set on display because of the volume advantage. Beats made today's in-store headphone rack almost mandatory; before that the headphone listening rack was only in high end audio outlets.

 

 "If" Beats were purely a product of marketing and style with crap sound, it would be ridiculous for them to promote audio demo listening in stores-they would avoid them at all costs.

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Beats since inception were louder than any other headphone out and designed for portable listening. If you connect Sennheiser, Bose, or any other headphone to a smartphone it will not be as loud as Beats. To the general public demoing headphones in a store by connecting them to his or her smartphone, any other headphone will sound thin and weak compared to Beats. This is why Beats have flown off the shelves, and this is what "audiophiles" don't understand.

 

 Because audiophiles listen to music at much lower volumes instead of max volume, they're not aware of Beats overwhelming sound level advantage.

 

 Notice that Beats are available for demo at every single store where they're sold; they know that their cans will wipe the floor with every other set on display because of the volume advantage. Beats made today's in-store headphone rack almost mandatory; before that the headphone listening rack was only in high end audio outlets.

 

 "If" Beats were purely a product of marketing and style with crap sound, it would be ridiculous for them to promote audio demo listening in stores-they would avoid them at all costs.

 

lol... Strongly disagree. Because the average person does not KNOW what good audio is. They think strong bass & loud = good or ideal sound. So when they listen in a demo station, they don't know that what they are hearing isn't great - they don't know any better! And a big reason for that is the marketing - "The way music was MEANT to be heard…" and "The headphone used in all professional recording studios…" Riiiiiiight…:rolleyes:

 

Plus all the major headphone companies are now making efficient portable phones that work well on today's devices, but many of those are not stocked in the big box stores, so they're not able to demo them alongside Beats. Even if they were, I don't know that people would even reach for them because of the insane marketing that Beats does. To say that marketing isn't a huge motivating force for the average uninformed person is ridiculous. Why would they spend so much money on marketing if it wasn't working ?

 

Also strongly disagree with your statement about audiophiles listening at lower levels. Maybe some do, but definitely not ALL. And the ones that do are not going for Beats because they're loud. 


Edited by thievesarmy - 5/11/14 at 5:10pm
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Beats since inception were louder than any other headphone out and designed for portable listening. If you connect Sennheiser, Bose, or any other headphone to a smartphone it will not be as loud as Beats. To the general public demoing headphones in a store by connecting them to his or her smartphone, any other headphone will sound thin and weak compared to Beats. This is why Beats have flown off the shelves, and this is what "audiophiles" don't understand.

 Because audiophiles listen to music at much lower volumes instead of max volume, they're not aware of Beats overwhelming sound level advantage.

 Notice that Beats are available for demo at every single store where they're sold; they know that their cans will wipe the floor with every other set on display because of the volume advantage. Beats made today's in-store headphone rack almost mandatory; before that the headphone listening rack was only in high end audio outlets.

 "If" Beats were purely a product of marketing and style with crap sound, it would be ridiculous for them to promote audio demo listening in stores-they would avoid them at all costs.

lol... Strongly disagree. Because the average person does not KNOW what good audio is. They think strong bass & loud = good or ideal sound. So when they listen in a demo station, they don't know that what they are hearing isn't great - they don't know any better! And a big reason for that is the marketing - "The way music was MEANT to be heard…" and "The headphone used in all professional recording studios…" Riiiiiiight…rolleyes.gif

Plus all the major headphone companies are now making efficient portable phones that work well on today's devices, but many of those are not stocked in the big box stores, so they're not able to demo them alongside Beats. Even if they were, I don't know that people would even reach for them because of the insane marketing that Beats does. To say that marketing isn't a huge motivating force for the average uninformed person is ridiculous. Why would they spend so much money on marketing if it wasn't working ?

Also strongly disagree with your statement about audiophiles listening at lower levels. Maybe some do, but definitely not ALL. And the ones that do are not going for Beats because they're loud. 

I pretty much agree with all of that, plus as far as the bolded remark is concerned, a big part of that is the profit margin that resellers make on Beats.
It's very high, so stores WANT to sell as many as possible to make big profits. The stores couldn't care less about you getting the best sound quality.
The stores, and the people in charge of Beats, only care about making money, and if you're willing to pay the piper, they're the ones laughing all the way to the bank.
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Beats since inception were louder than any other headphone out and designed for portable listening. If you connect Sennheiser, Bose, or any other headphone to a smartphone it will not be as loud as Beats. To the general public demoing headphones in a store by connecting them to his or her smartphone, any other headphone will sound thin and weak compared to Beats. This is why Beats have flown off the shelves, and this is what "audiophiles" don't understand.

 Because audiophiles listen to music at much lower volumes instead of max volume, they're not aware of Beats overwhelming sound level advantage.

 Notice that Beats are available for demo at every single store where they're sold; they know that their cans will wipe the floor with every other set on display because of the volume advantage. Beats made today's in-store headphone rack almost mandatory; before that the headphone listening rack was only in high end audio outlets.

 "If" Beats were purely a product of marketing and style with crap sound, it would be ridiculous for them to promote audio demo listening in stores-they would avoid them at all costs.
Actually if you have a really good headphone with low distortion, playing at louder volumes won't seem as loud to your ears.
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lol... Strongly disagree. Because the average person does not KNOW what good audio is. They think strong bass & loud = good or ideal sound. So when they listen in a demo station, they don't know that what they are hearing isn't great - they don't know any better! And a big reason for that is the marketing - "The way music was MEANT to be heard…" and "The headphone used in all professional recording studios…" Riiiiiiight…:rolleyes:

 You do realize you've agreed with all I said *except* listening at lower levels? "They think strong bass & loud = good or ideal sound."  I said marketing gets Beats demoed, so it does play a part, but once people have listened they only know what they like. Beats are the loudest cans out for portable listening and I defy anyone to prove otherwise.

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Actually if you have a really good headphone with low distortion, playing at louder volumes won't seem as loud to your ears.

 

I have over 60 pairs of headphones........HE-500's, TH 600's, and Ultrasones among them. Soon I'll have Alpha Dogs.

 

"Plug in your own source!" the store displays say.

 

I love the sound of my TH600's for example. However, if you put them on a smartphone in a store without a headphone amp, a lot of listeners will pick Beats over them.

I've seen it happen. Many times. Of course I put the TH600's on a Schiit Asguard or better and they're ready to throw the Beats in a blender.

 

But this has been the situation for a few years now. Momentums and Momentum on ears? Not as loud as Beats. Period. V-Moda? Not in stores, but also not as loud as Beats. Extremely overrated anyway imo. Everyone I've let hear my new XS's think they sound like crap. Bose? Not in the conversation. Sony? Not as loud as Beats. Not Sol Republic, Not UE, Not JVC, none of them

 

Not when people are plugging in their own smartphones.

 

Now of course we here at Head-Fi are aware of a number of low cost headphone amp solutions that even the playing field, but the person listening at the airport doesn't know about headphone amps, they're not even on sale, and he doesn't want to be bothered with all the wires and headaches when he's on the move.

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