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Originally Posted by kswo View Post
 

So I've had the chance to play with my SZ2000s for a while now. First impressions:

 

With no amp, these (obviously) are worthless. Anyone considering purchasing these to use off of a standard PMP, forget about it. If you have sound card that claims to have a headphone amp, you will be disappointed with the sound. I have a ASUS Xonar sound card and the output is NOT enough to drive these.


I am using a Fiio E12 amplifier, bass boost turned on, gain swich on.

Xonar DAC: 10hz-30hz +7db 31hz-60hz +2db.

Vol Knob @ 1:30 (70ish%), for vision distortion 2:30 (75-80%)


If you are looking for BASS, these are ******* BANGARANG. My ears give up before the SZ2000s begin to distort. Unbelievable. My girlfriend jumped in her chair when she first listened to these. I will quote her "Headphones shouldn't be able to do this!"

I played the track 'Massive Attack - Angel' and she went wide-eyed.

 

I read the hype, I saw the proof of bass but didn't know how intense it would be. HBB said the feeling these give you are a new sensation for headphones- he is absolutely right.

 

What I can tell you is this- at the level I listen to, my vision becomes blurry to the point to where the words I am typing begin to fuzz when the bass hits. I **** you not, I swear, that's how hard these hit. Another thing, if you hold your teeth close to each other they will chatter. There's a primal side of my brain that is actually frightened/alerted to the bass phenomenon these produce.  FINALLY, this is the bass I wanted and I got it. 

 

I listen to House, Minimal, TechHouse, Trip-Hop, Glitch-Hop, Breaks, and occasionally gangster rap. These rock the house on all of these genres. I feel like I'm standing an inch from the speaker rack at the club when I listen to these.

 

I turned on Pink Floyd - Time for my step dad, these even blew his mind. I've owned/listened to the following cans for quite some time: RP-HTF600, ATH-M50, Sennheiser HD 25-1 ii, VModa M80, Denon D1100, RP-DH1200, AKG Q702s. None of them even come close to the amount of bass these can produce. When your eyeballs are having trouble reading the **** on your LCD screen, you know you've entered the end game that is the SZ2000s. Believe the hype. Haters gonna hate, but these are it. Look no further. 

 

 

The point about a proper amp (e12 for sure is good)....no amp no bass. I have said that since March 6th.

 

That teeth chatter .....:D...I did the same little trick and also open and closed my mouth to change the bass tone. Like a kid. I have had more ear to ear grin moments with these pounding my head than any can on the market. I am very please you are very pleased. You're at short term hearing loss level if you're using XX pads/cowon/e12...and maybe more combo's like you'rs. 

 

As for high -end

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I hear them all often. It's a different experience. I might want it someday (T1 ..ookin at you buddy) but rest assured none do the teeth chatter blurry eye, is this good for my hearing...stuff. They are not supposed to though. It's another branch of the headphone tree.  I think your swinging on the funnest branch right now:beerchug: 

 

 

* Everybody read the red part above.....no amp no happy


Edited by Hawaiibadboy - 6/22/14 at 7:55pm
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Edited by Hawaiibadboy - 6/22/14 at 9:22pm
post #723 of 8083
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Slightly off topic but only kinda

 

 

Once you have found you're cans...the ones you were hunting for but didn't know till you heard them. (me).

You can spend money on stuff that really matters...shaved ice machines.

 

That dude 

Quote:
 

I am using a Fiio E12 amplifier, bass boost turned on, gain swich on.

Xonar DAC: 10hz-30hz +7db 31hz-60hz +2db.

Vol Knob @ 1:30 (70ish%), for vision distortion 2:30 (75-80%)

 

You now have you're vision distortion settings bassheads!!

Thank you @kswo !!!!

post #724 of 8083
what can i use with my fiio e17 to get more bass? buy a dac? and wich one. is it possible to get earth chattering bass without turning the volume to extreme levels then?
post #725 of 8083
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E17

 

Output Power > 220 mW@32Ω /> 290 mW@16Ω 

 

 

E12

Output Power > @ 880MW32Ω 

 

 

 

 

 

  I took this video just for you. e12+cowon (jeteffects) xx pads--= Head slam. No distortion...all bass...tons of bass

 

post #726 of 8083
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Originally Posted by headsounds View Post
 

I don't know if this has already been said, but that beats bass test song is just a bass boosted Bass Mekaniks song, off the album Quad Maximus.  The song is called Night Bass.

 

My favorites Bass Mekanik songs are Rule the Universe, Slow Down 4 Big Trux, Lock on Target, Make it Drop, and Competition Hertz. In my opinion, the bass is much better. Although i don't have bass cans right now.

Oh thanks, I've always wondered what the original track was :)

post #727 of 8083
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Originally Posted by kswo View Post

So I've had the chance to play with my SZ2000s for a while now. Before I start- yep stock pads are ****. Toss em. Give em' to your dog to chew on. @Hawaiibadboy
 isn't kidding around, they're garbage for bass.

First impressions:

With no amp, these (obviously) are worthless. What everyone said here about using an amp is not a joke. Anyone considering purchasing these to use off of a standard PMP, forget about it. If you have sound card that claims to have a headphone amp, you will be disappointed with the sound. I have a ASUS Xonar sound card and the output is NOT enough to drive these.
XX Pads
I am using a Fiio E12 amplifier, bass boost turned on, gain swich on.
Xonar DAC: 10hz-30hz +7db 31hz-60hz +2db.
Vol Knob @ 1:30 (70ish%), for vision distortion 2:30 (75-85%) (This is really good for your hearing)
If you are looking for BASS, these are ******* BANGARANG. My ears give up before the SZ2000s begin to distort. Unbelievable. My girlfriend jumped in her chair when she first listened to these. I will quote her "Headphones shouldn't be able to do this!"
I played the track 'Massive Attack - Angel' and she went wide-eyed.

I read the hype, I saw the proof of bass but didn't know how intense it would be. HBB said the feeling these give you are a new sensation for headphones- he is absolutely right.

What I can tell you is this- at the level I listen to, my vision becomes blurry to the point to where the words I am typing begin to fuzz when the bass hits. I **** you not, I swear, that's how hard these hit. Another thing, if you hold your teeth close to each other they will chatter. There's a primal side of my brain that is actually frightened/alerted to the bass phenomenon these produce.  FINALLY, this is the bass I wanted and I got it. 

I listen to House, Minimal, TechHouse, Trip-Hop, Glitch-Hop, Breaks, and occasionally gangster rap. These bang on all of these genres, minimal especially. I close my eyes and let the sensations take over, it's surreal. I feel like I'm standing an inch from the speaker rack at the club when I listen to these.

I turned on Pink Floyd - Time for my step dad, these even blew his mind. I've owned/listened to the following cans for quite some time: RP-HTF600, ATH-M50, Sennheiser HD 25-1 ii, VModa M80, Denon D1100, RP-DH1200, AKG Q702s. None of them even come close to the amount of bass these can produce. When your eyeballs are having trouble reading the **** on your LCD screen, you know you've entered the end game that is the SZ2000s. Believe the hype. Haters gonna hate, but these are it. Look no further. 
you sound like a clone of HBB... lol. Great to have another basshead who is as crazy as HBB aboard the bass train!
post #728 of 8083
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The old woman is playing the role of :your head

The dude with the jacket over his shoulder like some coked up 70's porn star is playing the role of :sz2000

 

 

 

 

 

 

The XX pads are a massive factor in the equation.  

Also...I always thought the headphone >>amp pairing ******** was just that....******** (seemed like audiophiles were always claiming their flagships needed just the right amp...I thought...aaaaaaalright sure bro:rolleyes:)...but wait?? @PocketSmiley has the e12...this new owner got the e12 and XX pads.

 

Your DAP/DAC has got to have some kind off  good bass enhancement package like a Cowon Jeteffects or other. You must be able to lift the 30Hz area  and up  via the DAP/DAC  AND use the e12 bass boost.

 

I read this dudes comment and checked his profile and hell...he's a car audio dude like me. So the visual is huge. And the settings are very very important.  I know where 2:30 is on the e12 and that is very very ******* loud. Not highs piercing your ears loud on an sz but bass blowing on your eardrum and thumping your head (if you got xx pads/e12)

 

@kswo    Thanks for listening. You got what I get cus you're doing what i do. Those vids make sense to you ...you know that. This is another level. Stock pads suck. Bigtime. Lotta folks mighta been a pad away from bliss but didn't realize how epic it is. Must use XX pads to get the video type bass and apparently the e12.  Congrats. It is an awesome sized gap between these at full push and the next level down. It's not even close You are on the summit of Mt ******* bass. Enjoy the view. I really do the open mouth close mouth thing to change the sound of the 35Hz pounder humming my head. If I open my mouth the bass hit flattens and drops...if I close my mouth it tightens up again....how ******* awesome is that????

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Let me predict the not too distant future:

 

Car audio dudes. Full on bassheads. The can of choice once they get word will be the sz2000. They will pair it with an e12 and rock xx pads cuz it's the kicker setup. 

It'll be at their house on their desk. In their travel bag. In their back seat. It'll be ready for the cross country trek on an 8 hour flight with no mind towards sound leakage cuz they have been on a plane, paid 1,500 for a business class seat to stretch out and listen to someones ******* kid crying...for 8 ******* hours:confused: 

 

Bass is like ******* crack cocaine. You want more and you want the good ****. Chasing that high until your body tells you it's about time to accept where your at.

The sz2000 will hurt your ears. That is the White Dragon. The "hit".

THAT........is what you have been chasing. 

 

Bassheads all around buying this and buying that and have no idea the white dragon is NOT dressed in shiny plastic and is NOT endorsed by anyone and it will stomp the ******* **** outta all the headphones listed as basshead cans on all the sites besides Head-fi...here....the word is spreading. There is a can that will take you there. I called the J.V.C tech dudes "Accidental Einsteins"  a couple months ago and it's true. They had no ******* idea...

 

 

That is amazing...why?

 

Cuz on March 6th the sz line was not even on the .jp site  (J.V.C is a Japanese company)

I needed to save a cached Canadian or (.ca) page for info and images. I had to download and save images because I thought the .ca was the last site...there was a singapore(?) one but no American or Japanese JVC site advertised the SZ series.

 

Then they were no longer listed as discontinued by the manufacturer  (Amazon.jp had them tagged as such in early March)

Then they didn't

Then JVC put the info back up in May.

Now it's front page JVC in their lightbox scrolling ad box middle top center of page.

 

They know somethings up? I wonder how much they know? I wonder how many lurkers have checked the vids and thought...fuuuuuuck!! I need some of that!!

You folks really really do underestimate the paper vibe vids. If it pushes paper it'll push my head if it doesn't push paper it won't push my head. Kinda caveman reasoning but bass is just that ******* simple. I can't believe nobody was doing this before?? Internet, video upload uber easy......anyone?? no?? I think there just wasn't a can that was worth showing.

 

JVC....if ya read this. I wan't a new ******* car.  I wan't my 1%:deadhorse:

 

 

 

So yeah...XX pads and an e12 to with your DAP/DAC and you should be all set. 


Edited by Hawaiibadboy - 6/23/14 at 8:58am
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Originally Posted by Hawaiibadboy View Post

The old woman is playing the role of :your head



The dude with the jacket over his shoulder like some coked up 70's porn star is playing the role of :sz2000





Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)





The XX pads are a massive factor in the equation.
Also...I always thought the headphone >>amp pairing ******** was just that....******** (seemed like audiophiles were always claiming their flagships needed just the right amp...I thought...aaaaaaalright sure bro:rolleyes: )...but wait?? @PocketSmiley
has the e12...this new owner got the e12 and XX pads.

Your DAP/DAC has got to have some kind off good bass enhancement package like a Cowon Jeteffects or other. You must be able to lift the 30Hz area and up via the DAP/DAC AND use the e12 bass boost.

I read this dudes comment and checked his profile and hell...he's a car audio dude like me. So the visual is huge. And the settings are very very important. I know where 2:30 is on the e12 and that is very very ******* loud. Not highs piercing your ears loud on an sz but bass blowing on your eardrum and thumping your head (if you got xx pads/e12)

@kswo
Thanks for listening. You got what I get cus you're doing what i do. Those vids make sense to you ...you know that. This is another level. Stock pads suck. Bigtime. Lotta folks mighta been a pad away from bliss but didn't realize how epic it is. Must use XX pads to get the video type bass and apparently the e12. Congrats. It is an awesome sized gap between these at full push and the next level down. It's not even close You are on the summit of Mt ******* bass. Enjoy the view. I really do the open mouth close mouth thing to change the sound of the 35Hz pounder humming my head. If I open my mouth the bass hit flattens and drops...if I close my mouth it tightens up again....how ******* awesome is that????







Let me predict the not too distant future:

Car audio dudes. Full on bassheads. The can of choice once they get word will be the sz2000. They will pair it with an e12 and rock xx pads cuz it's the kicker setup.
It'll be at their house on their desk. In their travel bag. In their back seat. It'll be ready for the cross country trek on an 8 hour flight with no mind towards sound leakage cuz they have been on a plane, paid 1,500 for a business class seat to stretch out and listen to someones ******* kid crying...for 8 ******* hours:confused:

Bass is like ******* crack cocaine. You want more and you want the good ****. Chasing that high until your body tells you it's about time to accept where your at.
The sz2000 will hurt your ears. That is the White Dragon. The "hit".
THAT........is what you have been chasing.

Bassheads all around buying this and buying that and have no idea the white dragon is NOT dressed in shiny plastic and is NOT endorsed by anyone and it will stomp the ******* **** outta all the headphones listed as basshead cans on all the sites besides Head-fi...here....the word is spreading. There is a can that will take you there. I called the J.V.C tech dudes "Accidental Einsteins" a couple months ago and it's true. They had no ******* idea...




That is amazing...why?




Cuz on March 6th the sz line was not even on the .jp site (J.V.C is a Japanese company)
I needed to save a cached Canadian or (.ca) page for info and images. I had to download and save images because I thought the .ca was the last site...there was a singapore(?) one but no American or Japanese JVC site advertised the SZ series.

Then they were no longer listed as discontinued by the manufacturer (Amazon.jp had them tagged as such in early March)
Then they didn't
Then JVC put the info back up in May.
Now it's front page JVC in their lightbox scrolling ad box middle top center of page.

They know somethings up? I wonder how much they know? I wonder how many lurkers have checked the vids and thought...fuuuuuuck!! I need some of that!!
You folks really really do underestimate the paper vibe vids. If it pushes paper it'll push my head if it doesn't push paper it won't push my head. Kinda caveman reasoning but bass is just that ******* simple. I can't believe nobody was doing this before?? Internet, video upload uber easy......anyone?? no?? I think there just wasn't a can that was worth showing.

JVC....if ya read this. I wan't a new ******* car. I wan't my 1%deadhorse.gif



So yeah...XX pads and an e12 to with your DAP/DAC and you should be all set.

My E12 order has just gone in & when it lands - all my bass cans get the paper/bass test using new beats track, and there will be some new 50mm gladiators ready to chance their luck out, maybe not looking to take the two champions that are the 2&1K's from pole position, but vying for their best possible place within the top ten candidates.
This is the calm before the storm..............wink.gif

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AND... I might have sorted the Pro700mk2's out for testing, as I found a new log to hit it with smily_headphones1.gif That's right - s**t will be going down biggrin.gif

Edited by cb3723 - 6/23/14 at 10:57am
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Originally Posted by kswo View Post

I know I haven't heard any other high-end headphones before so I may be a little bit too excited about these, but I have NEVER heard headphones do this before!  A lot of the stuff I've read on other headphones gets extremely technical so a lot of it goes over my head. However, I've built L-Ports, Bandpass, etc boxes before, used tune calculators and all that jazz, so I was familiar with the kelton method; when looking through the technical details on these cans everything actually made sense to me. I'm just glad I can finally have that 'front row' experience inside of my home without annoying anyone.

CB, from your past posts it seems like you can get into electronic. Bang the mix below on the SZs when you get the chance! Classic oldschool Belgium rave mix, with a bit of a pitch tweak. I feel you would appreciate this! If you like it, I have a 192kbps (I know, not the best but better than youtube) of this mix.


 

M8 - that is awesome old skool Belgium techno rave for sure (my 9mm top tune) smily_headphones1.gif

Listening with my Z1000's (haven't changed SZ2K uncomfy pads yet) with E17 on bass boost level 8 felt like I was back in a field under a marque, up front where the speakers were knocking out so much bass, the grass field ground was vibrating, with my glow sticks in each hand, whistle, on a dove and in the zone with 10K other cheesy quavers all on Billy & Vera's going nuts to Joey Beltram on the decks!



15mins 25sec in - Joey Beltram on the decks smily_headphones1.gif

Loved it M8, and the rave girls on the video wink.gif

You may like this old skool rave mix I did ages ago:

https://soundcloud.com/happy-daze/chillerz-in-hardcore

and this small 15min hardcore mix I origially did for YouTube when video's only had a 15min max run time:

https://soundcloud.com/happy-daze/ultimate-dj-mix-by-charlie-b-dec-2010-hardcore-hedonism
Edited by cb3723 - 6/23/14 at 12:22pm
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HBB, did you ever listen to the Ultrasone PRO 550  or the Ultrasone DJ PRO ? Both have 50 mm mylar and can be equalized to a good and deep bass. And both are much better than the PRO 900 imho. I have the PRO 550 since some years and use them a lot for PC gaming. The bass is there but needs eq for sure. They both do not suffer from piercing treble.

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Okay, I keep coming back to this thread.  I've never run an amp for my headphones before, but these are seriously making me consider it.  The SZ2000, XX pads, and ? amp.  What do I need?  Do I need a DAC, or will the bass boost on the Fiio E12, and the EQ of my iPod be enough?  I NEED this kind of bass, I stuffed two 12" subs in my truck for this kind of bass, I need this in my ears too.  What do I need?  Spell it out for a newb please?

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Originally Posted by ZMan2k2 View Post

Okay, I keep coming back to this thread.  I've never run an amp for my headphones before, but these are seriously making me consider it.  The SZ2000, XX pads, and ? amp.  What do I need?  Do I need a DAC, or will the bass boost on the Fiio E12, and the EQ of my iPod be enough?  I NEED this kind of bass, I stuffed two 12" subs in my truck for this kind of bass, I need this in my ears too.  What do I need?  Spell it out for a newb please?

HBB is best guy to ask, but from what I understand, the Fiio E12 bass boost is minimal, and the bass boost setting on iPods isn't great either.

From what I gather HBB gets heavy bass EQ from his Cowon DAP, whereas I boost from my E17 - either way you will need an amp but the E12 bass boost EQ is minimal, so you may be better off with the E17 as it has 5 levels of bass and treble control and the E17 is a headphone amp and DAC, all in one. The E17 will connect to your iPod and your headphones connect to E17.

To replicate HBB's set up you'd need an E12 and a Cowon iAudio9 (think that's his model) - the Cowon device is like an android iPod, which will be more expensive than just buying a Fiio E17 which works with your iPod.

I'm going to try and replicate HBB intense paper flutter bass test, and need to double check on Cowon exact model, but I'll check with him when he's back on the forum, no doubt he will read I and your posts and reply anyway.

Here's a video off YT comparing the E11, E12 & E17 which you may find interesting in the meantime.


ps Have you considered the SZ1000 headphone? Pad change isn't essential, it's considerably cheaper than the SZ2000, and bass is unbelievable when amped as it uses same carbon nano drivers and Kelton method subwoofer system and I find the general sound more smoother than the SZ2000.

But if you don't want to compromise whatsoever, then just go for the SZ2000, but either way which ever one you pick - they're both serious basshead cans, both winners - I've both and yet to change my SZ2000 pads, and at present I prefer the SZ1000. Whether that will change when I change the SZ2000 pads remains to be seen.
Edited by cb3723 - 6/23/14 at 4:51pm
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EDITED to conserve space.

 

Originally Posted by Hawaiibadboy View Post
 

The old woman is playing the role of :your head

The dude with the jacket over his shoulder like some coked up 70's porn star is playing the role of :sz2000

The XX pads are a massive factor in the equation.  

Also...I always thought the headphone >>amp pairing ******** was just that....******** (seemed like audiophiles were always claiming their flagships needed just the right amp...I thought...aaaaaaalright sure bro:rolleyes:)...but wait?? @PocketSmiley has the e12...this new owner got the e12 and XX pads.

Your DAP/DAC has got to have some kind off  good bass enhancement package like a Cowon Jeteffects or other. You must be able to lift the 30Hz area  and up  via the DAP/DAC  AND use the e12 bass boost.

I read this dudes comment and checked his profile and hell...he's a car audio dude like me. So the visual is huge. And the settings are very very important.  I know where 2:30 is on the e12 and that is very very ******* loud. Not highs piercing your ears loud on an sz but bass blowing on your eardrum and thumping your head (if you got xx pads/e12)

 

@kswo    Thanks for listening. You got what I get cus you're doing what i do. Those vids make sense to you ...you know that. This is another level. Stock pads suck. Bigtime. Lotta folks mighta been a pad away from bliss but didn't realize how epic it is. Must use XX pads to get the video type bass and apparently the e12.  Congrats. It is an awesome sized gap between these at full push and the next level down. It's not even close You are on the summit of Mt ******* bass. Enjoy the view. I really do the open mouth close mouth thing to change the sound of the 35Hz pounder humming my head. If I open my mouth the bass hit flattens and drops...if I close my mouth it tightens up again....how ******* awesome is that????

 

So yeah...XX pads and an e12 to with your DAP/DAC and you should be all set. 

 

@Hawaiibadboy I've gotta thank you for showing me the light man, I had my doubts, and as you said in your video it's hard to trust some random ****s on the internet about headphones. I saw your past, I could relate to your vision in the search for bass. I let my buddy at work try on the SZ2000s, he had the same reaction I did. Before he wanted Sennheiser HD429s, now he's considering the SZ1000. You're like a ******* bass jesus, converting the plebeians into believers. You are my bass senpai. /end-masturbation 

 

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by ZMan2k2 View Post
 

Okay, I keep coming back to this thread.  I've never run an amp for my headphones before, but these are seriously making me consider it.  The SZ2000, XX pads, and ? amp.  What do I need?  Do I need a DAC, or will the bass boost on the Fiio E12, and the EQ of my iPod be enough?  I NEED this kind of bass, I stuffed two 12" subs in my truck for this kind of bass, I need this in my ears too.  What do I need?  Spell it out for a newb please?

I'm using SZ2000s (thread also mentions SZ1000s for similar impact)

XX Pads (ripped from HA-M55X. I don't think $50 is too bad to get these pads, I've seen others pay up to $70 for custom made pads, plus you can throw the stock SZ pads on the HA-M55X and give em to your nephew or something.)

Fiio E12 (thread also mentions E17, although I don't think these can push as much raw power as E12s but I could be wrong.)

ASUS Xonar DG DAC (this is not mobile as it is a sound card, a $20 one at that. My phone and iPod do not offer the same results as this card, you'll need a Cowon or similar PMP/DAC to boost properly. I will give my Sansa Clip+ a try with RockBox EQ and post results)

EQ the ******* **** out of 60Hz and below. (I move anywhere from 30hz-10hz +7db up to +12db, 31hz-60hz +2db up to +4db, some tracks do not like boosted 31-60hz though. I also drop 120hz-200hz -2db) 

???

Bass Profit.

 

@cb3723  when I get home I'll bang those mixes, what equipment do you use to spin with? I used to rock CD-J 500 MK2s with a Behringer DDM4000 with a buddy. Miss that setup, it was ghetto but I've put many many hours on those. Nostalgia hitting me hard right now.


Edited by kswo - 6/24/14 at 3:04pm
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Originally Posted by cb3723 View Post

HBB is best guy to ask, but from what I understand, the Fiio E12 bass boost is minimal, and the bass boost setting on iPods isn't great either.

From what I gather HBB gets heavy bass EQ from his Cowon DAP, whereas I boost from my E17 - either way you will need an amp but the E12 bass boost EQ is minimal, so you may be better off with the E17 as it has 5 levels of bass and treble control and the E17 is a headphone amp and DAC, all in one. The E17 will connect to your iPod and your headphones connect to E17.

To replicate HBB's set up you'd need an E12 and a Cowon iAudio9 (think that's his model) - the Cowon device is like an android iPod, which will be more expensive than just buying a Fiio E17 which works with your iPod.

I'm going to try and replicate HBB intense paper flutter bass test, and need to double check on Cowon exact model, but I'll check with him when he's back on the forum, no doubt he will read I and your posts and reply anyway.

Here's a video off YT comparing the E11, E12 & E17 which you may find interesting in the meantime.


ps Have you considered the SZ1000 headphone? Pad change isn't essential, it's considerably cheaper than the SZ2000, and bass is unbelievable when amped as it uses same carbon nano drivers and Kelton method subwoofer system and I find the general sound more smoother than the SZ2000.

But if you don't want to compromise whatsoever, then just go for the SZ2000, but either way which ever one you pick - they're both serious basshead cans, both winners - I've both and yet to change my SZ2000 pads, and at present I prefer the SZ1000. Whether that will change when I change the SZ2000 pads remains to be seen.

Thanks for the video, it's all but made up my mind. Going to wait for HBB before I jump.
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