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post #4531 of 4544
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Originally Posted by Luckbad View Post
 

 

If you really want bass and clarity, you're talking mostly about the Fostex TH900/TH600.

 

The Audio Technica WS99 is a good option as well, but it is probably a slight downgrade from the M100.

 

I'm not aware of any other full-size headphones that give you extreme basshead-level bass in addition to excellent clarity and soundstage other than the Fostex TH900/600 or the Denons they (Foster Electronics) made previously (D5000 and D7000 in particular).

 

The SZ1000/SZ2000 have tremendous bass impact, but honestly the clarity is where they suffer. I want another pair after I sold mine off, but that's exclusively for the insane impact, not for the clarity.

 

It's the same dream I've been chasing, and I found it in the Fostex TH600. I need to temporarily sell off either those or the JVC HP-DX1000 (also amazing, but not as much separation or clarity as the TH600--better in some other ways though), but I'll get them or the TH900 again at some point if I manage to sell them.

Thank you very much for this insight !! I've looked at the TH600 and a bit con for me is the SPL max.: 94 dB / mW. This is pretty low...

post #4532 of 4544
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Originally Posted by flashmp3 View Post
 

Thank you very much for this insight !! I've looked at the TH600 and a bit con for me is the SPL max.: 94 dB / mW. This is pretty low...

 

 

Aaaah,....the power of an amp:D

post #4533 of 4544
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Originally Posted by Hawaiibadboy View Post
 

 

 

Aaaah,....the power of an amp:D

 

So this one needs a serious amp ! I like the portability of my current setup and it's true i don't see myself having to wear both htc m8+cayin C5...........grrrrr........i had neven realised how the vmoda m100 was a very good choice considering multiple factors.

 

Have you already been able to test Mo-Fi Headphones from Blue Microphones or PSB M4U 2 ? I was having a look at those models which are said to be better in sounq quality and comfort. However i don't have info about if they can shake head in the low department

post #4534 of 4544
The TH600 can be driven loud by a phone. Ignore that SPL number. They're 25 Ohms. They sound better with an amp, though. If you're not going to use an amp, you're wasting money beyond about $200 on a headphone.

The Blue Mo-Fi are heavy and don't have great bass. They're not portable at all. The PSB have weak bass as well. I bought both in the past year and got rid of them quickly.
post #4535 of 4544
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Originally Posted by Luckbad View Post

The TH600 can be driven loud by a phone. Ignore that SPL number. They're 25 Ohms. They sound better with an amp, though. If you're not going to use an amp, you're wasting money beyond about $200 on a headphone.

The Blue Mo-Fi are heavy and don't have great bass. They're not portable at all. The PSB have weak bass as well. I bought both in the past year and got rid of them quickly.

Thank you so much for telling me your experience about both Blue Mo-Fi and PSB :)

 

As i have said before i have outstanding results with my HTC M8 + Ibasso T3 or Fiio e6.........Ibasso DX90 or Fiio X5 or even HTC M8 + Fiio e12 never gave me better results. The M8 have such a great and powerful audio output. I was comparing a few minutes ago a iphone 6+ with EqU app tested with my colleagues Bose QC25. We put the same mp3. He tested and was happy to enjoy EqU which provide a good custom eq. When he then plugged his headphones in my tuned m8 (Faux sound + viper4android) he asked me if we could exchange phones.........

 

Don't worry i do know the importance of drive a headphone well so that it can provide the best possible. I'm just not going to have myself carrying a big and annoying amp when i could get almost the same result with a smaller one if the headphones doesn't need much power (my vmoda m100 for example)

 

You tell me to ignore this SPL number but it's hard for me to do that cause from experience i have been able to see how this play a role in volume. As a matter of fact when you use different viper4android equalization you loose a bit of volume to avoid distortions. So if the headphone as a low native SPL i will need an even more powerful amp to drive it :s

post #4536 of 4544

@flashmp3

 

Now that I'm at a computer, I can give you the long-winded explanation about comparing headphone volume.

 

In short, different companies have different methods for expressing headphone sensitivity (i.e. volume). It's usually specified as dB SPL @ 1 mW, but that number is meaningless without also taking into account the impedance of the headphones.

 

What manufacturers should specify is dB SPL @ 1 Vrms. Voltage sensitivity actually tells us how loud the headphones are going to be.

 

Luckily, there's a simple formula to figure it out.

 

power_sensitivity + 20*LOG(SQRT(1000/R)) = voltage_sensitivity

Where:

  • R is the impedance of the headphones in Ohms
  • power_sensitivity is expressed as dB SPL @ 1 mW
  • voltage_sensitivity is expressed as dB SPL @ 1 Vrms

So, the V-Moda M-100 have an impedance 32Ω with a power sensitivity of 103 dB SPL @ 1mW. That translates to a voltage sensitivity (directly comparable volume level) of 118 dB SPL @ 1 Vrms.

The Fostex TH600 have an impedance of 25Ω with a power sensitivity of 94 dB SPL @ 1mW. That translates to a voltage sensitivity (directly comparable volume level) of 110 dB SPL @ 1 Vrms.

My JVC HP-DX1000 have an impedance of 64Ω with a power sensitivity of 102 dB SPL @ 1mW. That translates to a voltage sensitivity (directly comparable volume level) of 114 dB SPL @ 1 Vrms.

The real apples to apples to comparison is basically 118 dB for the V-Moda vs. 110 dB for the Fostex. The gap didn't change much here because both have low impedance. My Galaxy S5 can drive them too loud for me to listen, but that's without using viper4android.

post #4537 of 4544
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Originally Posted by Luckbad View Post
 

@flashmp3

 

Now that I'm at a computer, I can give you the long-winded explanation about comparing headphone volume.

 

In short, different companies have different methods for expressing headphone sensitivity (i.e. volume). It's usually specified as dB SPL @ 1 mW, but that number is meaningless without also taking into account the impedance of the headphones.

 

What manufacturers should specify is dB SPL @ 1 Vrms. Voltage sensitivity actually tells us how loud the headphones are going to be.

 

Luckily, there's a simple formula to figure it out.

 

power_sensitivity + 20*LOG(SQRT(1000/R)) = voltage_sensitivity

Where:

  • R is the impedance of the headphones in Ohms
  • power_sensitivity is expressed as dB SPL @ 1 mW
  • voltage_sensitivity is expressed as dB SPL @ 1 Vrms

So, the V-Moda M-100 have an impedance 32Ω with a power sensitivity of 103 dB SPL @ 1mW. That translates to a voltage sensitivity (directly comparable volume level) of 118 dB SPL @ 1 Vrms.

The Fostex TH600 have an impedance of 25Ω with a power sensitivity of 94 dB SPL @ 1mW. That translates to a voltage sensitivity (directly comparable volume level) of 110 dB SPL @ 1 Vrms.

My JVC HP-DX1000 have an impedance of 64Ω with a power sensitivity of 102 dB SPL @ 1mW. That translates to a voltage sensitivity (directly comparable volume level) of 114 dB SPL @ 1 Vrms.

The real apples to apples to comparison is basically 118 dB for the V-Moda vs. 110 dB for the Fostex. The gap didn't change much here because both have low impedance. My Galaxy S5 can drive them too loud for me to listen, but that's without using viper4android.

Thank you again (lot of thanks today :) ) for taking time to help me and even explaining me.

 

Could you use the TH600 straight out the Galaxy S5 ? I ask that cause maybe i could use my M8+ibasso T3 in good conditions without having to buy a bigger amp..... ps: you should really try the viper4android as a basshead........it does really but really change something in the lows........something that you can approach with an equalizer but not raise (i don't know precisely what it does but it does it well !). Before i was using this on my Galaxy : 

 

Noozxoide MaxxBass (Noozxoide Psychoacoustic II) is a signal processing algorithm which enables monitor to sound deeper and more powerful, it takes bass to the maximum on more speaker sizes, from any sources, by adding a series of harmonics to the signal. These harmonics stimulate a psychoacoustic bass-enhancing effect under 1 octave - a phenomenon that small speakers rely on to play audible bass. MaxxBass simply maximizes this known acoustical phenomenon.

 

I think viper4android dynamic system is doing the same......you should definitely try it...........

post #4538 of 4544
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Originally Posted by flashmp3 View Post
 

Thank you again (lot of thanks today :) ) for taking time to help me and even explaining me.

 

Could you use the TH600 straight out the Galaxy S5 ? I ask that cause maybe i could use my M8+ibasso T3 in good conditions without having to buy a bigger amp..... ps: you should really try the viper4android as a basshead........it does really but really change something in the lows........something that you can approach with an equalizer but not raise (i don't know precisely what it does but it does it well !). Before i was using this on my Galaxy : 

 

Noozxoide MaxxBass (Noozxoide Psychoacoustic II) is a signal processing algorithm which enables monitor to sound deeper and more powerful, it takes bass to the maximum on more speaker sizes, from any sources, by adding a series of harmonics to the signal. These harmonics stimulate a psychoacoustic bass-enhancing effect under 1 octave - a phenomenon that small speakers rely on to play audible bass. MaxxBass simply maximizes this known acoustical phenomenon.

 

I think viper4android dynamic system is doing the same......you should definitely try it...........

 

Yeah, as I mentioned in the post, the S5 can drive the TH600 too loud for me to listen. I have viper4android on an old Galaxy S3 at home and it's pretty nice, but I mostly listen on my computer and I'm currently listening to them on my Vorzuge VorzAMP Duo (very expensive but has an insane/clean +15dB sub-bass boost switch and it's the size of a deck of cards). If I'm not using that amp, I have EqualizerAPO + PeaceGUI (a free parametric EQ for Windows) to do the heavy lifting.

post #4539 of 4544
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Originally Posted by Luckbad View Post
 

 

Yeah, as I mentioned in the post, the S5 can drive the TH600 too loud for me to listen. I have viper4android on an old Galaxy S3 at home and it's pretty nice, but I mostly listen on my computer and I'm currently listening to them on my Vorzuge VorzAMP Duo (very expensive but has an insane/clean +15dB sub-bass boost switch and it's the size of a deck of cards). If I'm not using that amp, I have EqualizerAPO + PeaceGUI (a free parametric EQ for Windows) to do the heavy lifting.

With S3+viper4android without amp can it drive the TH600 enough well to have good deep bass ? Same question with S5 without amp and your music app or whatever can allow you to increase the lows

Also maybe you could try viper4windows for your pleasure


Edited by flashmp3 - 8/27/15 at 10:46am
post #4540 of 4544
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Originally Posted by flashmp3 View Post
 

With S3+viper4android without amp can it drive the TH600 enough well to have good deep bass ? Same question with S5 without amp and your music app or whatever can allow you to increase the lows

Also maybe you could try viper4windows for your pleasure

 

Depends entirely on how much you mess with EQ. You can probably go ~15dB and get away with it. More than that and it'll be quiet.

post #4541 of 4544
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Originally Posted by Luckbad View Post
 

 

Depends entirely on how much you mess with EQ. You can probably go ~15dB and get away with it. More than that and it'll be quiet.

Could you test it ?  Would mine doing the test for me ? My goal is to know if i can buy the Fostex without having to buy a new amp. I really want to stay extreme portable

post #4542 of 4544
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Originally Posted by flashmp3 View Post
 

Could you test it ?  Would mine doing the test for me ? My goal is to know if i can buy the Fostex without having to buy a new amp. I really want to stay extreme portable

 

I don't have the S3 here to check. The most I can do is +10dB and the volume is still good.

 

Honestly, I wouldn't spend the money on a TH600 if I wasn't going to use an amp. It won't sound much/any better than the M-100 without one.

post #4543 of 4544
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Originally Posted by Luckbad View Post
 

 

I don't have the S3 here to check. The most I can do is +10dB and the volume is still good.

 

Honestly, I wouldn't spend the money on a TH600 if I wasn't going to use an amp. It won't sound much/any better than the M-100 without one.

Even with the ibasso t3 ? It has good reviews here and even with great headphones

post #4544 of 4544
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Originally Posted by flashmp3 View Post
 

Even with the ibasso t3 ? It has good reviews here and even with great headphones

 

Don't know anything about that amp, but any decent amp will outperform your phone alone with the Fostex.

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