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post #301 of 8111
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Bro...you still got your sz right?

post #302 of 8111
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They shake on your head now.

 

 

After doing this they were much louder but bass bloated.

 

 

Ya know how many times I opened these? 15? 16?

 

Closed one hole and pinned the pole.

 

Hits harder. takes more amp. Is robust. The cheap plastic cups (the only cheap part of the cans...oddly.....cuz it's the worst spot to save money besides the drivers) is helped by reflecting the low end back quick and reducing echo/resonance.

 

Highs tent to exit the diaphragm and scatter but low notes linger. In a cheap plastic house that's no good for impact.

 

Without amp or low gain it seems about the same as original as only one vent is open and pole pin holed. The ability at high gain and low end impact has been improved.

post #303 of 8111
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They call em' XtremeXplosive

 

So of course mod em with a vent and thick aluminum flashing....

 

A vid of these is in order...tomorrow.

 

 

Boom boom baby.....boom BOOM

 

Trying to wrap my head around why these are able to take so much more amp.

Knew the resonance of the plastic was an issue at high gain but this is taking almost all the e12:blink:

 

  • 50mm reigns dominant over 40mm ...no question. 53, 57 more of the same.
  • Hard backing behind the driver is a common trait for forceful impact bass cans
  • What sounds like driver distortion is delayed by venting and or hard backing. It's the driver...not clear?

Edited by Hawaiibadboy - 6/7/14 at 7:18am
post #304 of 8111
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Originally Posted by Hawaiibadboy View Post




They shake on your head now.




After doing this they were much louder but bass bloated.




Ya know how many times I opened these? 15? 16?

Closed one hole and pinned the pole.

Hits harder. takes more amp. Is robust. The cheap plastic cups (the only cheap part of the cans...oddly.....cuz it's the worst spot to save money besides the drivers) is helped by reflecting the low end back quick and reducing echo/resonance.

Highs tent to exit the diaphragm and scatter but low notes linger. In a cheap plastic house that's no good for impact.

Without amp or low gain it seems about the same as original as only one vent is open and pole pin holed. The ability at high gain and low end impact has been improved.

Have you tried Dynamat instead of the aluminum duct tape? Must be a reason Lawton used it...........

I'm going to Dynamat my HDH50's later during the hockey game. biggrin.gif
Edited by Oregonian - 6/7/14 at 7:36am
post #305 of 8111
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Originally Posted by Oregonian View Post
 


Welcome and enjoy the ride!

 

The E-11 is a great starter amp for cheap as you noted.  You can add a Digizoid ZO in series later on and double amp it if you really want a head massage (don't laugh, I ran my setup that way for over a year). 

 

For $200 the Arrow 3G is the best portable amp I have tried for bass and is a quality unit. 

Thanks!! 

Yeah I looked at ZO's as well, I would be interested in the ZO3 when it comes out and turns out to be a good product.

Double amps? Damnn

 

That's good to know for future purposes, 200$ is a too much for me right now, I want to start off slowly.

post #306 of 8111
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Originally Posted by DisCHORDDubstep View Post


I have an e11, and I was emailing an employee at jds labs to ask how the power matches up, and apparently the e11 is just as powerful, even with a cmoybb with dual 9v rails. The e12 is by far a better investment... Either that, or an objective 2, but I don't think the iPod classic has a custom equalizer. Have you tried any audiophile headphones yet too? I didn't know if I would like flat response headphones until I tried one. You might be the same way. I like neutral and bassy the same amount at this point. I'd suggest trying a neutral headphone too... Now, as for bass... You have a good can right there. Btw, you should expect at least twice the volume, if not three times the volume from an e11 compared to the iPod at full volume... The e12, probably a crapload many times louder.

So you have listened to both the e11 and the CmoyBB? Which one would you recommend? 

It doesn't, it only has presets like bass boost which distorts any track, it's crap, so I wouldn't want to use it.

No I haven't, I'd like to but they only have rapper endorsed headphones on display, meaning I have no access to any.

Seriously?? Wow I didn't expect that :O 

Thanks for the info

post #307 of 8111
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The JVC HA-MR77X are the second pair of cans I've picked up solely on the info I researched from the extremist bass and resident bad boy from Hawaii, HawaiiBadBoy or HBB for short, from his endeavours in short listing the worlds current top 10 hardest bass hitters.

Buying cans without auditioning for yourself is not advised, nor does HBB recommend either, but the first pair of cans I picked up was enough to give me the confidence that this is the place to for extreme bass advice and after learning of the existence of the thermo nuclear bass canon currently sitting in the pole position of the extreme top 10, namely the SZ2000, a masterpiece in basshead cans, with a unique design and engineering approach used to attempt to give the same kind of sound as floor speakers. The SZ2000's are the pinnacle of JVC's bass headphones and in UK, cost around £245/$412, and a must for serious bassheads.

The price gap between the SZ's and the 77's is quite a gulf with nothing in between. Costing around the £60/$99 mark, the 77's are truly an outstanding value can that punches way above it's relatively steal of a price.

These are full size, over ear cans, with the feature of a rotating earcup, which opens this can up into the DJ world for separate sound monitoring. It's very much a plastic build affair in hi-gloss black, yet it feels very robust and something of substance that's not going to disintegrate after a couple of weeks use. Earpads are removable and the fit is comfortable though there is a noticeable clamping force, which is to be expected for headphones with DJ application.

Sound wise, and regarding the bass, these cans hit hard and low and will vibrate if heavy bass EQing is applied. They don't go as low as the SZ's but they don't fall too short, so this is a bassheads dream can, at a very low outlay. As for the sound signature when no EQ applied, the bass is prominent, mids and highs are respectable with vocals suffering from a small amount of sibilance. The overall sound is a tad removed though and a bit tinny and another gripe is the short 1.2metre attached non removable cable, but understand these are basshead cans on budget with DJ application in mind where a strong and committed bass in a main requirement, and this is where these cans shine.


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Easily driven directly from source iPod/iPad etc makes these cans just grab and go, plug and play affair, but don't collapse down into a smaller form for travelling, nor does it come supplied with any sort of carry case, so there is an added cost to be considered should this be a requirement for you, but you can find basic cloth draw string headphone carry cases/bags at a minimal cost if you search around online.

I honestly don't know how JVC manage to produce such a headphone for the price they retail at, they are an unbelievable value for money can and give you a lot of headphone for your green.

These cans may be cheap to buy but certainly don't look cheap. The hi-gloss black finish brought an immediate thought of, "these are the cans Darth Vader would rock with" - which is a pretty random thing to mention, but I'm a StarWars fan, so bass the force be with you....and always... biggrin.gif lol

- highly recommended for bassheads who like to EQ or anyone with a view to bag a bass heavy bargain.

Big up to HBB for his sterling work in this top ten of the most extreme bass heavy hardest hitters of headphonedum - bass in the place London! smily_headphones1.gif


Edited by cb3723 - 6/7/14 at 11:05pm
post #308 of 8111
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Originally Posted by Hawaiibadboy View Post
 

I think the e11 and e12 are both fine amps.

The e12 is more powerful while the e11 gives steps of bass boost.

all my views are with the e12 amp.

I like the power and bass boost of the e12 but don't know about the e11 say anything about it.

 

 

 

That bass switch on the e12 is a can killer at high gain. 

 

Hmmm okay thanks 

& did you ask me to post a vid of my studios?

I think I blew them, they have no bass whatsoever anymore...

The only useful thing was the padding underneath the earpads, placed that under the 700MK2's earpads, and the case, which actually fits the 700MK2.

post #309 of 8111
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@cb3723

Excellent!!

 

 

 

 

 

That pic of the 77 is gorgeous. I just modded mine and it is clearly the 2nd biggest hitter. 57mm and clearing out the echo....good times!!

 

Yes. I DO NOT endorse or rec' any cans on the list. I can give info, relative compares of amping ability and low end handling but... buyer....always try and listen with your own ears.

 The American DJ is very cheap. It hits hard but is beyond rescue in the mid. Some DJ cans may be coming to the list if I get better with inverted/negative eq'ing so I can pull the highs way down to allow for full amp. Can's that take 3500mW can eat an e12 pretty handily.

 

 

Those Sig Dj are ******* gorgeous yeah!! I got the wrong ones...the expensive ones last March and it ******* pissed me off for that bass at that price...... but it led me to the SZ so...I gotta believe god had a plan.

 

Thanks for the review/insight. 

 

The Vader pic is proof......they ARE his cans:D

post #310 of 8111
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Originally Posted by PocketSmiley View Post
 

 

Hi, I know HBB already settled his matter with you, but there's just one little thing I can't allow to slide--can you provide us a picture of your SZ2000 together with your Denons? In this thread, we don't easily believe people's claims to ownership/audition. This isn't a personal affront, just standard procedure and general courtesy. We actually want to find a can that can objectively slam harder than the SZ. (By objective I mean low frequency SPL measurement/comparative estimate, which should be straightforward.) Of course one can cite another person's claims, given that that person is a credible source (e.g. Dischord quoting HBB).

 

Umm,

 

why would I lie? And again, I never said A slams harder then B, that is the way someone's mind interpreted it, please read post  #295.

 

 

Oh look here are some Denon's with  gel pads

 

 

Here are a set of SZ's as I immediately ripped the pads off when I got them home and threw them in the garbage.

 

 

 


 There are numerous photos in my profile if you would like to see anything else.

post #311 of 8111
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Originally Posted by Hawaiibadboy View Post
 

   What are the best bass headphones? 



 

 

 

 

                                

 

 

 

This is the hunt for the "Top 10" Bass headphones on the consumer market. 
The list will be compiled and based on identical set-ups (or similar) and tracks with identical Eq sloping/boosting.

 


 

Example:

 

Photos of cans

 

Description

 

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Test track #1  "Bass Depth Test" (+10dB @ 20Hz  +15 @ 50Hz +20 @ 65Hz)

 

Test track #2  "Bass Depth Test" (+10dB @ 25Hz  +15 @ 50Hz +20 @ 65Hz)

 

 

Test track #3  "Bass Impact Test" (+20dB @ 55Hz)

 

 

 

 

Test track #4  "Bass Speed Test" (+10dB @ 20Hz  +14 @ 50Hz +18 @ 65Hz)

 

 

 

 

Optional distortion test. No presets assigned

This track will distort your drivers at medium gain. Nobody wants to **** up their cans so this is optional.  If I review the sz2000 I will not use this. I know this track. It kills everything. It's like your cans are cockroaches and this **** is RAID. 

If you wanna go nuts...have at it but I advise against it if you love the cans your testing.

 

 

 

 

 

Lot of clipping and distorition in that last track, and not because the drivers can't handle the bass, the track it self is distorted the wave form clips, the track doesn't kill everything, the track is already dead. Uploading it to you tube is ever worse since it's comppressed even more, if you have a lossless verision of this feel free to upload it, but quality wise it's garbage dude. Put crap in get crap out, even the D2k showed the clipping of the bass line

So for the sake of REASERACH, I gave all your tracks a listen... dude... those are some SLOW FAT beats... even your speed test was kinda bleh, for headphones like the XB 700 that kind of bass is great, but non of those songs [or cans imo] can do a proper wobble, that's the issue I had with my XB 700 it was loose and slow, it couldn't wobble

 

so here's some music from me xD to you, 

 

I actually listened to this first track on my XB 700 back in the day, it wow'd me then but... my HE 4 is a lot tighter and is much faster, the XB 700 couldn't for me in this track hold the moment or the sheer speed 

 

 

ewww this track sounds horrible in youTube, get the flac if you can non the less another tight wobble

 

 

 

ANother wonky tight beat, the XB 700 was to slow and missed a lot of the little ticks of the track

 

 

Time for some Crazy Core n Bass, another track where the initial drop is all the XB 700 could do, other wise it was to slow had to much decay

 

 

Another flithy wobble

 

 

 

Here was my favorite big slow track with the XB 700 lol, sadly this is the one where the HE 4 lacks that big sloppy bass line

 

 

 

 

 

ANd lastly let's end with the two tracks that got me into Dub Step and head fi! 

 

 

Yeap this is the first Dub Step song I ever heard, with a little pair of Sony MDR v100s 

 

 

another tight bass line [needed to switch to the robo faced verision] 

 

and it would appear Fearless and I are here launching an invasion [with the same headphone lol] 


Edited by Mshenay - 6/7/14 at 8:41am
post #312 of 8111
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Originally Posted by Oregonian View Post


Have you tried Dynamat instead of the aluminum duct tape? Must be a reason Lawton used it...........

I'm going to Dynamat my HDH50's later during the hockey game. biggrin.gif

 I Extreme Dynamat my cars. Suppresses outside noise and is a kinda ambient Noise cancellation. Keeps the outside sound outside and the inside music inside. Also reduces vibration/resonating of auto parts.You already knew that.

I feel it deadens or controls. I thought the Akai were already being deadened by the properties of the thin plastic. The bass was just dying there. I  wanted the lows to reflect immediately off a resistant surface like when i fire my subs right into my back hatch which sends them exploding out towards me the driver.

 

The headphones are firing at the ear but low freq goes everywhere as it's kinda omni directional. Too much was escaping out the back.  I thought giving it some pause would help and it was so loud I had to cover a hole. It increased the volume by 20%  I think Lawton is trying to control the ambient back noise to clear up the area between the driver and ear. My guess. I want to boost the bass and prevent inferior materials from deadening the freq themselves.  The 77x with this is ******* nuts. Hard ass powerful more amp able nutz.

 

The Akai are a ******* enigma. Stout. Comfy. Well made with tight tolerances and a sweet studio tuned driver that has caused me to open it 16 times.....and I pulled the wires and had to re solder them....and it sucked.

 

BTW...

Your armband rig is like my over neck rig. I don't know anyone else besides us with that kinda on body ultra portable power bombers. Great for drive by testing. Like your set-up! Very cool!!

 

Good luck with the mod. Good luck to your team :) 

post #313 of 8111
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LOL

 

I reject all your tracks....takes to damn long for the bass to come in:D

That EARL sweatshirt track was designed like that. It's kind of a gag

Reminded me of a test track. I found it on youtube with 1,400 hits...LOL It is a classic and we used it at a comp....and it's Star Wars @cb3723 should love this:L3000:

It really was aaaaawesome. Can't believe it's got no views:blink:

 

Enjoy

 

post #314 of 8111
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Originally Posted by Hawaiibadboy View Post
 

LOL

 

I reject all your tracks....takes to damn long for the bass to come in:D

That EARL sweatshirt track was designed like that. It's kind of a gag

Reminded me of a test track. I found it on youtube with 1,400 hits...LOL It is a classic and we used it at a comp....and it's Star Wars @cb3723 should love this:L3000:

It really was aaaaawesome. Can't believe it's got no views:blink:

 

Enjoy

 

that is dope and SHAME on you lol you have no paitence for quality bass! Waiting for the Drop is what makes Dub Step fun, it builds up then drops like a mofo! xD I think you rejecting it cuz your hearing how slow your cans are <3 

 

also nice track 

post #315 of 8111
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How are those gel pads for bass transfer? I wonder if that gel absorbs the physical hit but tightens the audio to ear one?

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