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post #256 of 8078
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So...I walked in...

 

Then I walked out and came back to this site.

Confused like a Mofo. People telling me to get Q40,Dt770, etc etc. Nobody ever thought to mention the 55mm carbon diaphragm dual chambered dual ported subwoofer packed cup called the sz2000.:blink:

 

 

 

I love posting the vid cuz it's like having a 12 inch  **** and pulling it out and waving it around everytime you go in a sauna just to remind everybody....ya'll.....ya'll #2's.

 

These cans never got mentioned to me once. Not one f******* time.  All the smart folks and not one mentioned it to me. 

I bet many folks have laid a simple piece of A4 laser printer paper on their cans and been shown the cold hard truth.

You'll never see their results....cuz they didn't either...get it?

 

 

I don't type just for the joy of the experience....I f****told ya'll

 

 

Now

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

March 20.

I said these were the future M-Audio. The rep said that in the video....let me say that again...

the rep said it in the video I posted. 21/2 months ago.

 

But ya'll new something...?? Nah...you ignored reality. 

 

Watch the vid...it shows my e12 settings at the end. Same as the SZ.

The Q40 have 40mm drivers. 

If you can get them to do this post in here with a vid. I'll give you a password to use the account. 

I said these were the same ...they are the same. They are awesome. They will not distort where the 40mm little brother Q40 distort. I'll not even touch my personal ownership experience with Q40. I got several friends with em. Great cans. Nice bass. Excellent sig.....40mm and the limitations that come with that size. The Monster Npulse and Perfect Dido are 40mm at the max of the spec.

 

 

 

 

 

The same folks who never said a word...not a peep about the hardest bass cans...the only true cannons on the consumer market are the same who imagined I must be wrong about what is obvious based on specs and promo and using your eyes...oh oh yeah....and the words of the sales rep in Feb. Nobody ever told you anything would be anything different than it is about the HDH50. That was in your minds.

 

That said. They are well machined comfortable crystal clear monitors that can slam if modded (see vid) and stay crystal if you don't eq.

The inner plastic cup....the only plastic on em could maybe use dynamat or aluminum tape on the inner cup to push the whole sub signal straight back out the driver.

 

ex.


Edited by Hawaiibadboy - 6/5/14 at 8:57am
post #257 of 8078

We got the D2k oh this list :3 I still think my Modded D2k could take as much bass as anything u guyz got here although, sadly I don't eq it up +10 not any more, +5 is as much as I like now a days 

post #258 of 8078
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The D2k have never distorted  the several times I have tried them and pushed them but they also never slammed my head like the cans on the list. I don't think they are supposed to. The diaphragm is high quality as are the cans but I don't think and they didn't sound like basshead cans. They sounded like audiophile,  stout low frequency friendly (not a given in audiophile cans) well made headphones.

 

If you can get a visual apples to apples(same part of same track)  comparison with what I do with the SZ ...I'll add "Slave to my Master Mshenay" in my sig

If you agree to try and can't....you add "Hawaiibadboy's water boy....don't talk to me when I'm carrying his water please" in your sig.

 

For a month.

 

 

Gentleman's bass wager.:D 

 

 

EDIT

 

If anyone thinks the D2k are Top 10 impact feel free to show me.

I love the cans. Quality.

My slope and music doesn't elicit the desired response but somebody into something else like EDM or Basstronica can maybe show me whats up. 

Remember this is EXTREME BASS club.


Edited by Hawaiibadboy - 6/5/14 at 9:51am
post #259 of 8078
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Originally Posted by Hawaiibadboy View Post
 

The D2k have never distorted  the several times I have tried them and pushed them but they also never slammed my head like the cans on the list. I don't think they are supposed to. The diaphragm is high quality as are the cans but I don't think and they didn't sound like basshead cans. They sounded like audiophile,  stout low frequency friendly (not a given in audiophile cans) well made headphones.

 

If you can get a visual apples to apples(same part of same track)  comparison with what I do with the SZ ...I'll add "Slave to my Master Mshenay" in my sig

If you agree to try and can't....you add "Hawaiibadboy's water boy....don't talk to me when I'm carrying his water please" in your sig.

 

For a month.

 

 

Gentleman's bass wager.:D 

 

 

EDIT

 

If anyone thinks the D2k are Top 10 impact feel free to show me.

I love the cans. Quality.

My slope and music doesn't elicit the desired response but somebody into something else like EDM or Basstronica can maybe show me whats up. 

Remember this is EXTREME BASS club.

they might not be extreme bass head material, but I've yet to really EQ them something powerful, I'd love to hear the sz2000, and I love the "water boy" lol if I win you'll need something humerous to add into your sig like what you have for me to add! 

post #260 of 8078
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TOP 10 for June 2014 (REV1)

* Using 70Hz "Hit" and a* 35Hz "Hit"as comparative test. All listed cans compared with a Cowon DAP Settings= Flat 5 band Eq/BBE+10 Mach3Bass+8 e12 amp +16dB gain on. Bast boost switch on

 

 


 

 

 

 

 

1. JVC HA-SZ2000 

 

 

Peerless sub bass and entire 18-120Hz response. Final option for chronic basshead. 

 

Driver size: 55mm "Sub-woofer"/ 30mm CNT

Impedance:16 Ohm

Amp Headroom: Exceptional +30dB @45Hz

EQ: Needs

Genre' (anything)

Weakness: Sub>>Mid transition. , Poor stock pads.

 

**

 

 


2. JVC SZ1000

Nearly identical to Sz2000.

Only difference is force of bass at very high low end gain.

Highs seem clearer at low volume? Bass decay slower on these. 

 

 

 

Driver size: 55mm "Sub-woofer"/ 30mm CNT                                                                                                        

 

 

Impedance 16 Ohm

Amp Headroom: Exceptional +30dB @45Hz

EQ: Needs

Genre' (anything)

Weakness: Sub>>Mid transition. , Poor stock pads.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

3. JVC HA-MR77x

 

Hits very hard. Eats good amp.

 

 

Driver size: 57mm Mylar (PET)

 

Impedance 46 Ohm

Amp Headroom: Good/Great 16-20dB @45Hz

EQ: Needs (to raise mids)

Genre' (Hip-Hop)

Weakness: Echo/resonance over takes bass response before distortion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


4. Sony XB700

 

Epic bass. overwhelms signature. Can be amped well.

 

 

Driver size: 50mm Mylar (PET)

Impedance 24 Ohm

Amp Headroom: Good +18dB @45Hz

EQ: Needs

Genre' (Hip-Hop/EDM)

Weakness: Pillow pads absorb too much of the hit. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

**

 


5. ATH - PRO 700MK2

 

 

 

 

 

Driver size: 53mm  Mylar (PET)

 

 

Impedance 38 Ohm

Amp Headroom: Great/Good +18 @45Hz

EQ: Needs (raise bass only,?)

Genre' (Hip-Hop/EDM/?)

Weakness: Pad depth. Different pairs very different sound?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

**

 

 


6.  Ultrasone Signature DJ

 

 

 

 

 

Driver size: 50mm Mylar (PET)

 

Impedance 32 Ohm

Amp Headroom: Great/Good +18 @45Hz

EQ: Needs (raise bass only)

Genre' (Anything)

Weakness ; Echo/resonance at high amped low end.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

 

7.  Monster/Beats by Dre Pro 

 

 (original Monster/Dre version)

 

 

Driver size: 40mm Mylar (PET)

 

Impedance 32 Ohm

Amp Headroom: Average +12 @45Hz

EQ: Needs (raise bass only)

Genre' (Hip-Hop/EDM/?)

Weakness: Driver tuned to near limit. Amping gives only some boost.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

**


8. HPH Yamaha Pro 500

 

Similar to Beats pro in "pre-tuned" driver.

Headroom with amp is low same as beats Pro. Hit hard as **** though

 

 

 

Driver size: 50mm Mylar (PET)

 

Impedance 32 Ohm

Amp Headroom: Average +12 @70Hz

EQ: Needs (raise bass only)

Genre' (Anything)

Weakness: Driver tuned to near limit. Amping gives only some boost. Pad size (shallow)

 

 

 

*

 

 


9. Monster Npulse

 

Like the 77x hit way out of their price range and any range.

Headroom is slightly bigger than Yamaha and Beats Pro

 

 

Driver size: 40mm Mylar (PET)

 

Impedance 32 Ohm

Amp Headroom: Average +14 @45Hz

EQ: Needs (raise bass only)

Genre' (Anything)

Weakness: Driver tuned to near limit. Amping gives only some boost. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

**

 

 


10. Denon AHD600 

new on list

 

 

 

 

 

 

Driver size: 50mm Nano Fiber 

 

 

 

Impedance 25 Ohm

Amp Headroom: Great/Good +18 @45Hz

EQ: Needs (raise bass)

Genre' (Anything)

Weakness: ...(not enough info)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

**

 


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*ALL Cans tested with identical gear,settings and tracks.

Results based on that specific set-up.

No rec's of any cans made. No buying suggestions given.

Different equipment and settings will possibly/likely yield different results.

 

**These are numbered but not ranked. Besides #1 these are in no particular order

*** The next list will focus on "A" "B" comparisons with known branded headphones with pedigree. Potential candidates....claims...welcome. Suggestion box always open

 

 

 

 

 


Level of Hit

 

 

These cans cost 60-100 Bucks (the ones above 200-300)

 


Tracks used

 

 

A clipped version from 0:00 to 0:33 is used for impact  (This is tha crippler...it has ....shown the limit of so many cans I cannot count...many well known ones with nice price tags)

 

 

 

This track from 3:40 to finish (If they get past the crippler they can get stretched out by Wiz and Too $hort. It like shining the flashlight in the Sub-bass's face...cannot hide from this)

 

 

New test track. 5/9/14 Not used yet

 

 

 

 


Using what?

 

 

A Portable rig designed to abuse the crap outta the low end of any can I can get my fingers on. Anywhere, anytime.

The exact same test tracks are used in the exact same way at the exact same levels. It's a "Go" or a "No Go"...simple as that.

 

 


Possible Q&A's

 

Q) Who listens to headphones like this?

A) If you're wondering,.... probably not you.

 

Q) Who are you?

A) I'm a former Car Audio IASCA dB drag competitor. I am pure-breed basshead. I'm used to measuring things. Words like "Cannon" mean nothing to me without some visual proof.

Low frequency audio signals will give you that visual. Charts, and words like separation,staging, are not of interest to me. A typical mastered Hip-Hop track is going to live along the "V" response anyway.

 

I live in Japan and have access to an enormous amount of headphones. I have a personality that allows me to behave in a way most would not. I take an "O.K." and go all the way with it. I do not damage cans but I could and some know that so my quest requires me to push the limits of acceptability and etiquette.

 

Q) Why?

A) Because nobody else is. (simple answer). Also because it's fun. I'm a basshead. Finding sub $100 Head hammers or exposing supposed ones of much higher price is enjoyable.

There is room enough on Head-fi for everyone. I do my thing.

If Audiophile Bass and all kinds with a community is what you want this is the place>>http://www.head-fi.org/t/715697/the-audiophile-bass-lounge-basshead-club-part-ii

There is also a GROUP. (I'm a member)>>>http://www.head-fi.org/groups/show/34/the-audiophile-bass-lounge-group

 

Q) Why are these not "Cannon's" on the Wiki?

A) Good question. These are the 10 hardest hitters that I have heard but they are not all cannons automatically. Some may be as that Wiki is updated as often as possible. Also many ....7 of 10 with the 77x ,American Audio, and XB700 being the exceptions...play most Genre and can hammer. 70% of the list is not even Basshead. It's not what the cans do...it's what the cans can do. 

Potential.

 

 


Regarding this thread

 

This is an open forum. I have no authority.

I would request that all things in this thread are about current listed canspreviously listed cans or potential future listed cans, or mods that can assist in achieving hammer bass response.

Any testing and vids can be uploaded to a existing account to ensure your privacy with all rights to uploaded content belonging to the uploader of course.

 

 

 

Friday re-post:D 

 


Edited by Hawaiibadboy - 6/9/14 at 8:53am
post #261 of 8078
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Highs
  • Warm, relaxed sound
  • Super comfortable
  • High sensitivity
  • Solid construction
Lows
  • Bass may be a little heavy for some listeners

:cool:

 

For 70 Bucks?

 

 

I'll mod em...

post #262 of 8078
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Originally Posted by Hawaiibadboy View Post
 

:cool:

 

For 70 Bucks?

 

 

I'll mod em...

According to Amazon.com user reviews, they have **** built quality. The yokes holding the enclosures to the headband break easily, and most people have had that issue after a year. Which definitely conflicts with the "professional" reviews I've seen suggesting it has good build quality. :|

 

I definitely considered those headphones at one point for my new portable, but seeing so many users - not just a few, mind - made me decide not to buy them.

post #263 of 8078

Aren't the Denon D1100 the ones that use the same drivers as Creative Labs headphone? (i.e. the CALs Live -- original not the Aurvana Live 2!!)

post #264 of 8078
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Aren't the Denon D1100 the ones that use the same drivers as Creative Labs headphone? (i.e. the CALs Live -- original not the Aurvana Live 2!!)

 

No.

 

Bio cellulose but the Creative are 40mm Denon 50mm

I'm buying the Denon because of the 70 bucks...seriously.

That's dinner for 2 at TGIFridays.

 

I wanna beat on the bio cellulose and check the aluminum resin housing. Every hard hitter had a hard ass end. Every one except the 57mm 77x which echo at high amp

 This is about a new diaphragm material...that is used in higher end cans. 

And I would never....ever....ever buy 40mm cans again;)

post #265 of 8078
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Originally Posted by Dragonzeanse View Post
 

According to Amazon.com user reviews, they have **** built quality. The yokes holding the enclosures to the headband break easily, and most people have had that issue after a year. Which definitely conflicts with the "professional" reviews I've seen suggesting it has good build quality. :|

 

I definitely considered those headphones at one point for my new portable, but seeing so many users - not just a few, mind - made me decide not to buy them.

 

According to Amazon nobody owns the hardest hitting cans on the market....(zero reviews) 

 

:rolleyes:

 

 

I know some folks with very expensive audiophile cans that love their sz over in the appreciation thread. 

 

I gotta say honestly...I still own my Oakley blades from 8 years ago and they don't have a scratch. I buy new ones but I never break old ones. The only cans to ever fail on me were the Q40

 That was a inner cup disaster and occurred within minutes. I have never suffered a structural failure of headphones. 

I take very good care of everything I buy.

 

However I will pay attention to the fail point but these are gonna be my 5th or 6th most used cans unless the bio cellulose is epic in it's amping ability. I have an idea to blow the drivers if the 57mm from the JVC will fit in the Aluminum,resin hybrid backed cups. Fill it with aluminum tape and blast that ******!!:D

 

I'm paying 70 bucks to play with a new 50mm diaphragm material.

 

Nothing on my list hits harder than my SZ so they are not worth buying if I don't already own em.

This is really about driver material.

I know titanium coated.. various types of Mylar and their low freq characteristics....I dunno about bio cell except for sit downs or quick bass checks.

It's 50mm It's a new driver type....70 bucks.....it's a Science project:D


Edited by Hawaiibadboy - 6/6/14 at 9:02am
post #266 of 8078
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And I would never....ever....ever buy 40mm cans again;)

Thank you, just thank you... we both know why you said that and I respect for making that statement! 

 

And Jeeze Hawaii you like a mad Scientest 

post #267 of 8078
I was thinking about buying a set of Denons a few a go but I heard they had muddy bass. They cost more now than when I was looking. just noticed autocorrect corrected Denons to Demons
Edited by NewWaveAudio - 6/6/14 at 9:47am
post #268 of 8078
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

Thank you, just thank you... we both know why you said that and I respect for making that statement! 

 

And Jeeze Hawaii you like a mad Scientest 

 

 

 

;)

 

 

Man...for 70 bucks?

That craptastic design flaw caused a price plummet from 200 originally but I just want the cup and driver to play with. I seriously look at it like dinner for 2.  If it breaks and blows up...**** it. No big deal :D 


Edited by Hawaiibadboy - 6/6/14 at 9:55am
post #269 of 8078
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Originally Posted by NewWaveAudio View Post

I was thinking about buying a set of Denons a few a go but I heard they had muddy bass. They cost more now than when I was looking. just noticed autocorrect corrected Denons to Demons
 

 

 

 

 

When I heard them they were good at Hip Hop but were like $165 and the band swivel.....ya know that **** gonna break. I know it will. I'll harvest the drivers or swap in the 57mm because I like the resin backing. Same as the D2k housing design ...same bio cellulose driver if I'm not mistaken??? ****ty head band, cheaper pads and non removable chord= not D2k. I like music though so don't giva shait about those 3 items.

 

For primary or even long term cans I wouldn't buy em...they look like there gonna snap in the videos:blink: 

 

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/519597/denon-d5000-vs-d2000-vs-d1100-vs-bose-on-ear-a-humble-review-enclosed


Edited by Hawaiibadboy - 6/6/14 at 10:16am
post #270 of 8078
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Originally Posted by Hawaiibadboy View Post
 

No.

 

Bio cellulose but the Creative are 40mm Denon 50mm

 

Ahhh got it... maybe I'm confusing them with other headphones?!? Not sure anymore (I blame it on getting older :p)

 

 

Thanks!

And DO IT!!! GET THEM! :)

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