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http://www.thecustomart.com/pro_audio-harmony.php







For the longest time driver count for silicone CIEMs has always lagged behind acrylic CIEMs--we're at, what, 10 drivers per side now with acrylic CIEMs from every major brand--but where have you seen a silicone pair with more than 5 drivers per side?

Custom Art hails from Poland and made its splash with a single-driver silicone custom earning 9.2 points with ljokerl:
http://theheadphonelist.com/headphone_review/custom-art-music-one-review/

Now they are apparently intent to show that as an up-and-coming CIEM brand they can throw the punches at the top as well as the bottom end of the market with the Harmony 8…


Impressions start to arrive:


1/ First impression by tomscy2000 in!
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Originally Posted by tomscy2000 View Post

I had a quick listen to someone else's custom Harmony, so take these impressions with a grain of salt, as the sound will be different from what it'd sound like with a truly-customized fit.

Overall, it sounds very nice; quite organic and cohesive. It's not an "ultimate neutrality" kind of sound, though, so strike those notions from your heads. Basically, it has a somewhat relaxed treble shelf, just without roll-off, so the treble ends up sounding more like that of the RE-262 (a bit more presence than the 262, though). It seems designed for zero harshness, while preserving a lot of intrinsic detail. Overall, the midrange is warm, with slightly (and I really do mean just slightly) relaxed upper-mids, but has very good presence and transparency. What really makes the Harmony stand out, however, is that from the lower midrange down, it's so composed and resolving. The woofers achieve a kind of layering and texture that is truly on TOTL level. At the same time, while it does have a little bit of bass shelf elevation, it's measured and controlled, and I doubt it'd ever feel overwhelming for anyone, even so-called "bass haters" like me (that's really a misnomer). If I had to characterize the Harmony in terms of CA's other products, I'd say it possesses the tonal balance of the Music series, but the separation and transient speed of the Pro series. Vocals are a hybrid of the two.




excerpts of my first impressions for the non pro version:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/716065/first-ever-8-driver-side-silicone-ciems-the-harmony-8-8pro-by-custom-art-first-impression-p-1/30

I've been in contact with Piotr since his release of his 330pro v1 model, and followed through with the v2 only to end in the Harmony 8 land.smily_headphones1.gif


First, build quality, as usual, is outstanding. Piotr, i know you have had a huge load of work, and i really really want to state that i have not encountered better craftmanship in 3 years of high end CIEMS and in 20 years of headphones….not speaking of customer service, but this, everybody knows it by now. beerchug.gif Fit is very good, maybe a bit less on the right side, but nothing to complain about for the moment. Isolation is more than good!













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redface.gif …..where and how do i start….: (sooooo, no burn in for the moment……we will see if different in a couple of days!)

As already stated, soundstage is enormous, Ibasso DX50 alone with the H8, stock cable is very very clean and wide. The low spectrum is precise, even at low volume. I think this is what is called to have a 3D soundstage. I'm surpised to have this for the first time. It's impressive how you physically hear some instruments behind you. Even more, there is like a physical distance you feel en between the instruments, and it reveals details i haven't heard before. Sometimes you hear some bass moving in the soundstage, like coming from deep inside of you and then making it's way somewhere else.

It is a warm and enveloping sound, the vocals beautiful, female vocals impressive, highs are still cristall clear yet never harsh.
Listening to "Laura" from Bat for Lashes right now (FLAC)

Listening to a freshly vinyl ripped file of Vladimir Vysotsky (guitare and vocal + a good portion of melancholy….for those who know…..yes i know, not my fault, my mother speaks russian and loved him in the 80's beerchug.gif ) really really moves me to the bones.

i think someone spoke of an somptous sound…..this hits the spot i think.

i'm still trying to figure out if i prefer them just straight out ouf the dx50 or paired with my headstage arrow 3G: I'd say straight out the dx50 you have a bit more neutral sound.
Amped, the bass become even more textured but not invading.



Let's resume this in average points:

Build quality : 10/10 shells are perfectly crafted, some bubbles here and there, but thats nothing i would consider as bad point

Cable: 10/10 very flexible, no microphonics at all and thin as good as it gets, you just forget it

Sound : i wouldn't dare to rate this, too personnal, please make yourself an idea with reading the different impressions. For what it's worth, for me, i'd give it a 9.5, but only because i should listen to some other TOTL Ciems before being able to get real comparisons!

Customer service 20(!) /10 ….
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Let's hope for more reviews to come, i'll update this first page as they follow

Happy reading to all and more importantly, happy listening!



2/

First impression of the H8 pro version: http://www.head-fi.org/t/716065/first-ever-8-driver-side-silicone-ciems-the-harmony-8-8pro-by-custom-art-first-impression-p-1/75#post_10642578



Sound:

Finally we come to the sound. It is quite balanced with a little bit bass emphasized. Piotr sent an E-mail to me to introduce the H8 pro (my former order was H8). He told me that the H8 pro vision was added with extra 15db. So the +15db in treble seems to me just awesome, not too bright, not too dark. The treble offers a very high class clarity and transparency. The entire middle freq sounds totally smooth and enhances perfect with the high freq. The mezzo-soprano is just like drugs. I really cannot stop listening (Album: Das Lied von der Erde/ Christa Ludwig, Kollo, Bernstein)…. The bass tastes not light but colored with scale and reverberation and it goes a little bit up to the mid to support the male vocal.


Other pics of H8 pro on their way to their owner:


Impression from MrButchi (dude i always wanted to know where your nickname came from!!)

Quote: http://www.head-fi.org/t/716065/first-ever-8-driver-side-silicone-ciems-the-harmony-8-8pro-by-custom-art-first-impression-p-1/105
Enough with the intro, here are my quick impressions about Harmony 8 Pro (hereinafter H8Pro) :
- the isolation is top notch. I don't hear anything from the outside world. Just a husher in a train going full speed with windows open (people taking the RER in Paris will understand what I mean).
- it is a little warm, not too warm, but not neutral. it confirms that I probably would not have enjoyed the Harmony 8.
- the bass is incredible. it is incredibly present, without being overwhelming. On "Contact" (Random Access Memories), I could feel like a rumble in my ribcage - of course not like the one you'll get in a club, but definitely the same physiological feeling.
- the trebles are extremely present and engaging, yet not tiring. They are very precise, and the violins for instance have a great body, the cymbals have a very natural decay, etc.. I guess this is an advantage of the slightly warm signature.
- the mids are also very lush yet velvety, maybe liquid? I always have a hard time speaking of mediums.
- what impresses me the most is that there is a lot of everything, while not stepping on each others' toes at the same time. Usually, I would either get enhanced bass or precise trebles, with decent mids, or good bass and trebles, but with recessed mids (worst case). Here, the signature seems very balanced: there is a lot of everyone. Maybe ever so slightly more bass, but I would need more time to confirm that.
- the soundstage is very wide, and has very good depth. Not sure about height yet. To give you an example, I discussed EXTENSIVELY the end of "On every road" (Dire Straits) with a pal from a French forum I hang out at. I don't know that song all that well and listened to it 10+ times while describing to him what I heard (this song is a make or break for him). He has extensive high end experience, and currently is with Tralucent Ref 1, and told me that the soundstage and separation I described were unbelievably coherent and that the location of the instruments were one of the best he had heard speak of. Not to oversell the soundstage, but this experience validated my initial perceptions that the soundstage is both very big and precise, while remaining realistic.
- the whole remains very musical. It may sound corny, but listening to Ein deutsches Requiem (which I had never listened to before for full disclosure) nearly brought tears to my eyes, the choirs being so moving. I only had that sort of feeling at the opera before. Now, I'm not saying that the H8Pro will make you listen to a live orchestra, that would be BS, but they DO have the ability to convey a whole lot of emotions.
Edited by whoever - 12/6/14 at 2:07pm
post #2 of 519
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Originally Posted by Joe Bloggs View Post

http://www.thecustomart.com/pro_audio-harmony.php

For the longest time driver count for silicone CIEMs has always lagged behind acrylic CIEMs--we're at, what, 10 drivers per side now with acrylic CIEMs from every major brand--but where have you seen a silicone pair with more than 5 drivers per side?

Custom Art hails from Poland and made its splash with a single-driver silicone custom earning 9.2 points with ljokerl:
http://theheadphonelist.com/headphone_review/custom-art-music-one-review/

Now they are apparently intent to show that as an up-and-coming CIEM brand they can throw the punches at the top as well as the bottom end of the market with the Harmony 8...

Right now it seems nobody has heard the 8 because the 8 literally pushes the envelope so far that only custom earmolds from bigger ears would fit the 8 drivers inside--no demos can be made!

So it's a bit of a leap of faith...

Who wants to give this a try? biggrin.gif

Similar setup to 1964-V8, though the price is more than double the V8's

post #3 of 519

Seems quite warm from the descriptions. Looks awesome, but damn, that's expensive. 

post #4 of 519
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Originally Posted by lin0003 View Post
 

Seems quite warm from the descriptions. Looks awesome, but damn, that's expensive. 

 

Yeah, almost $2,000, much more expensive compared to Noble's and 1964's offering

post #5 of 519

It comes down to just under $1300 USD, which seems to be cheaper than the K10s? 

post #6 of 519

They have pre-order prices right now till June 1st: 
 

€750 (~ $1038 USD) non-detachable version
€800 (~ §1107 USD) detachable version

post #7 of 519

Where from? Still advertised at 925Euro on the website.

post #8 of 519
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Originally Posted by zenpunk View Post

Where from? Still advertised at 925Euro on the website.

They posted it on their facebook couple weeks ago: https://m.facebook.com/thecustomart?id=223884597732369&refsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.de%2F&_rdr

If you add Harmony 8 to your cart you'll see the discounted price.
post #9 of 519

Thanks. I also like the 75Euro ownership transfer. 

post #10 of 519
I know someone who is buying these. I'm looking forward to hearing his feedback.
post #11 of 519

Subscribed and probably ready to buy them during the week.

post #12 of 519

I had a quick listen to someone else's custom Harmony, so take these impressions with a grain of salt, as the sound will be different from what it'd sound like with a truly-customized fit.

 

Overall, it sounds very nice; quite organic and cohesive. It's not an "ultimate neutrality" kind of sound, though, so strike those notions from your heads. Basically, it has a somewhat relaxed treble shelf, just without roll-off, so the treble ends up sounding more like that of the RE-262 (a bit more presence than the 262, though). It seems designed for zero harshness, while preserving a lot of intrinsic detail. Overall, the midrange is warm, with slightly (and I really do mean just slightly) relaxed upper-mids, but has very good presence and transparency. What really makes the Harmony stand out, however, is that from the lower midrange down, it's so composed and resolving. The woofers achieve a kind of layering and texture that is truly on TOTL level. At the same time, while it does have a little bit of bass shelf elevation, it's measured and controlled, and I doubt it'd ever feel overwhelming for anyone, even so-called "bass haters" like me (that's really a misnomer). If I had to characterize the Harmony in terms of CA's other products, I'd say it possesses the tonal balance of the Music series, but the separation and transient speed of the Pro series. Vocals are a hybrid of the two.

post #13 of 519
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Originally Posted by tomscy2000 View Post
 

I had a quick listen to someone else's custom Harmony, so take these impressions with a grain of salt, as the sound will be different from what it'd sound like with a truly-customized fit.

 

Overall, it sounds very nice; quite organic and cohesive. It's not an "ultimate neutrality" kind of sound, though, so strike those notions from your heads. Basically, it has a somewhat relaxed treble shelf, just without roll-off, so the treble ends up sounding more like that of the RE-262 (a bit more presence than the 262, though). It seems designed for zero harshness, while preserving a lot of intrinsic detail. Overall, the midrange is warm, with slightly (and I really do mean just slightly) relaxed upper-mids, but has very good presence and transparency. What really makes the Harmony stand out, however, is that from the lower midrange down, it's so composed and resolving. The woofers achieve a kind of layering and texture that is truly on TOTL level. At the same time, while it does have a little bit of bass shelf elevation, it's measured and controlled, and I doubt it'd ever feel overwhelming for anyone, even so-called "bass haters" like me (that's really a misnomer). If I had to characterize the Harmony in terms of CA's other products, I'd say it possesses the tonal balance of the Music series, but the separation and transient speed of the Pro series. Vocals are a hybrid of the two.

 

so would you recommend it for vocal lovers?

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Originally Posted by hifi252525 View Post  so would you recommend it for vocal lovers?

 

Sure, why not? There are different types of "vocal lovers", however. Some like having more lower midrange body to beef up vocal fundamentals, giving the sense of an intimate experience, while others love hearing vocal harmonics, which means a recessed lower midrange relative to the upper midrange (usually a Japanese style tuning). The Harmony is neither; the midrange is mostly neutral, with only a small elevation of the lower midrange and a small relaxation of the upper midrange. One thing that's definite, however --- even though the lower midrange is not boosted to levels that "vocal lovers" are typically used to, vocals still come off as big and wide because of the phase flat acoustic design of the Harmony --- so yes, if you like vocals, the Harmony is a good choice.

 

The Harmony really seems designed for a lazy afternoon out on the front porch, allowing a user to regale in a sumptuous music listening experience. Perhaps you can't make the trip over to the Hollywood Bowl for the Playboy Jazz Festival; the Harmony would probably be a nice alternative.

post #15 of 519

Thank you Tom, a bit more reflexion for me then I decide to take them. I hope musicality and emotion is at the same level than TOTL :)

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